Florence Flowers 1886

[Louise Martin]

Hi,

Thank you all for your help. I think this Ellen Pardon if she was a Martin and married a Pardon could have been Edwin's sister instead. John Martin 1880 was a master shoe maker on the marriage certificate. Edwin was 28 and Florence was 26. I have been told by family Florence was a pharmacist and she had a sister. But they could have got confused about names. My uncle told me Grandad Edwin was a stocker in the Navy. What I have found is he went into the Navy at 19 and served till 1908 registered again in 1915, discharge wales (if this is true)

I hope this helps.

Thanks,

Louise

[heatherjulie]

Just for information
1891
28 Darby? Street, Halliwell, Bolton

John Martin  Head 54 born Truro Shoe maker
 Harriet Martin  Wife 52  born Truro
 E J Martin  Daughter 30 born Truro Cotton winder
 Julia Martin  26 born Truro Throstle Spinner Cotton
 Edwin Martin Son 11 born Bacup
 H B Stephens  Grandson 6 born Bacup
 John Mackay  Lodger 35 born Scotland

RG12/3102/48/38

[heatherjulie]

1901
36 Lower terrace, Bolton

John Martin  Head 64 born Truro Boot and shoe maker
Harriett Martin  Wife 62
William Paul  Boarder 32 Railway worker
Gilbert Clegg  Boarder 20 Cotton cloth bleacher

RG13/3618/16/96

Do you know where Edwin was in 1901?

[heatherjulie]

1881
12 William Street, Brittania,
 John Martin  Head 44 born Truro Shoe maker
 Harritt Jane Martin  Wife 44 born Redruth
 Elizebath Martin  Daughter 19 born Redruth Cotton winder
 William Martin  19 born Redruth Warehouse man
 Ellen Martin  Daughter 17 born Redruth Throstle spinner
 Julia Martin  Daughter 15 born Redruth Throstle spinner
 Edwin John Martin 1 1/2 born Spotland Lancashire
 Samuel Park  Lodger 23
RG11/4123/23/13
 

[garstonite]

so -with all that info -  Ellen who married aged 18 in 1882 to Thomas Pardon - and was 17 in 1881 census is definitely Edwin John Martins sister....at last ...lol
so that is one query sorted
now for Florence Flowers ? aged 26 at marriage in 1911 - so born 1884 - 1885( does that rule out the Hammersmith birth posted earlier? )....supposedly in London - did she have a middle name ?...if not - there are only 2 in that period - Birmingham and Gloucester ??
the most likely looking is Florence Elizabeth Flowers b dec qtr 1885 Dartford  2a 448
Louise
I am a little confused regarding the Sailor at marriage and Labourer 6 months later at the first born baptism - Edwin John Martin - what was his occupation on 1911 census ...
I suppose - if he was a Sailor - he sailed into London and Florence came to his abode to marry ?
but why would he say on 6th feb 1912 he was a Labourer -

[heywood]

Hi Garstonite,

Louise says he joined up at 19 and was a stoker. He left in 1908 and rejoined later.
This would also perhaps account for his absence in 1901.

Regards
Heywood

[garstonite]

Hi Garstonite,

Louise says he joined up at 19 and was a stoker. He left in 1908 and rejoined later.
This would also perhaps account for his absence in 1901.

Regards
Heywood

put me wise Heywood - I am a little confused
Louise states - What I have found is he went into the Navy at 19 and served till 1908 registered again in 1915,
so from 1908 - 1915 he is not in the Navy ?   so how is he a sailor in 1911 on his marriage cert?
if he was in the Merchant Navy he would be a Mariner on his marriage Cert
in Liverpool - a Sailor is Royal Navy - a Mariner is Merchant Navy ...or is this just a Liverpool terminology ? ...if so - I have never seen a Sailor on a marriage cert when someone was in Merchant Navy ....it is Mariner ....and a Captain is a Master Mariner ...or am I ignorant ?...lol

[heywood]

I'm confused too.
I can't see a reference to his occupation on marriage - just his father's.
If there was a conflict in the family about him being at sea, then he and Florence would have met pre-1908.
It may be that it is a family story with some truth but not all  - as happens so often 

[heatherjulie]

Louise, do you know where and when Florence died? Her death certificate might have her birthday on it and that might make it easier to find a birth record for her.

Heather