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Re: A bit of a puzzle
« Reply #18 on: Monday 17 March 14 23:47 GMT (UK) »
Baptisms

Thomas son of Thomas and Mary: born Risely Sept 24 1795; bapt Oct 12 1795 in parents home Risely

Mary dau of Thos and Ann; born Risely; bapt. Nov 6 1796 in the chapel Risely

Thomas son of Thomas and Mary; born Risely Jan 6 1799; bapt Jan 13 1799 Ben's chapel at Risely

[blank] dau of Thomas and Anne; born Risely Jan 31 1801; bapt Feb 8 1801 Risely

then after that the rests are Thomas and Ann as parents.

It is annoying that Mary's birth date is missing, but she must at least have been born before the second Thomas so there seem to be Thomas and Mary overlapping with Thomas and Ann.

All a bit confusing!



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Re: A bit of a puzzle
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 18 March 14 00:00 GMT (UK) »
HELLO
       Forgot to say have the STEVENGIBBS LINK.what a tremendous job he has done. for any-one searching for riseley.information.pity. only have 1837-1901 marriages.am expecting too much for .ones .before this date.hate to think how long steve was doing this project.sadly cannot find half as much as you fantastic researchers are doing.for me
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Re: A bit of a puzzle
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 18 March 14 08:55 GMT (UK) »
Beds Archives have some entries for Peacock of Riseley linked to Moravian Church including a list of the congregation taken 1802 that contains Mary Peacock, followed by Thomas Peacock blacksmith born Dec 89? 1760, received at Bedford on 30 Jun 1782, admitted to communion on 1 Dec 1782. This also has A M Peacock sevant born Riseley 13 Feb 1750, received 13 Nov 1762, admitted 16 Jun 1771

Other entries in BLARS online catalogue are Anna Maria Peacock born 2 Feb 1749, Elizabeth Peacock born 25 Feb 1747, Sophia Peacock (now Surridge **) born 7 Feb 1754 & Tryphena Peacock born 5 Oct 1763. These entries are tagged 'DEATH' in the catalogue??     

** Thomas Surridge married Sophia Peacock on 16 Sep 1793, the same day that Thomas Peacock, blacksmith married Mary Litchfield.

http://apps.bedscc.gov.uk/bedsccis3/search.aspx

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Re: A bit of a puzzle
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 18 March 14 09:07 GMT (UK) »
Peacock baptisms at Moravian Church, Bedford (per IGI)

Children of John & Mary
Ann Mary b 2 Feb 1749 bap 4 Feb 1749
Johannes b 24 Feb 1752, bap 27 Feb 1752
Sophia b 7 Feb 1754, bap 8 Feb 1754
Eleanor b 28 Dec 1755, bap 30 Dec 1755, died 1 Jun 1756
Martha 8 Feb 1757, bap 16 Feb 1757
Frederick Renatus b 11 Jun 1759, bap 13 Jun 1759, died 13 Dec 1759
Thomas b 8 Dec 1760, bap 14 Dec 1760
Tryphena b 5 Oct 1763, bap 6 Oct 1763

Thomas born 24 Sep 1795, bap 12 Oct 1795, died 16 Dec 1795 son of Thomas & Mary
Mary bap 6 Nov 1796 Thomas & Ann
Thomas b 6 Jan 1799, bap 13 Jan 1799. Thomas & Mary
Female b 31 Jan 1801, bap 8 Feb 1801 Thomas & Anne
Charlotte b 20 Feb 1803, bap 30 Mar 1803 Thomas & Ann
(these previous 4 children may be the 4 children under 10 mentioned in the Aug 1803 Muster List, although where is the vital one, Johannes? Is he Thomas born 1799?)
Thomas Frederick bap 13 Feb 1805 Thomas & Ann
Flora b 9 Mar 1806, bap 25 Mar 1806 Thomas & Ann
Louisa bap10 Feb 1809 Thomas & Ann
Silas b 25 Oct 1811, bap 19 Nov 1811 Thomas & Ann

I can't explain why the parents in the 1790s fluctuated between Thomas and Mary and Thomas and Ann. There's no burial of a Mary nor a marriage of Thomas to Ann. Perhaps she was Mary Ann! I don't think it was two couples.

Thomas & Mary also baptised a Thomas in Riseley on 4 Aug 1794 who died soon after birth.

Had a fruitful few minutes reading in bed last night! I went through Beds Historical Record Society vol 68 (1989), The Bedford Moravian Church in the 18th Century to see if there was a mention of the Peacocks, and struck gold! The book is a selection of diaries and committee notes of the Bedford congregation and settlement. The Bedford Moravian settlement seems to have started in late 1744, a year before John and Mary married in Riseley.
6 Jan 1745. Elizabeth Peacock was received into the congregation. I don't know if she's connected or not.
Labourers Conference Jan 1745. Riseley delegate John Peacock
20 Dec 1745 The Rysely people are again upon agreeing to employ the other (black)smith in the town and turn John Peacock off. ie John Peacock of Riseley was a blacksmith
7 Feb 1780 Single Sisters' Diary: Breakfasted in Kitty's room as it was Sophia Peacock's birthday
14 Apr 1780 Triphena Peacock a girl came to live in our (Single Sisters' House) house from Riseley

Other Peacocks are mentioned but don't add much. But from the above extracts it seems pretty clear that John Peacock from Riseley was a follower of the Moravian church and was a blacksmith. Two of his known daughters, Sophia and Tryphena lived in the Moravian settlement in Bedford. From this I think it can be safely assumed that John's son Thomas born 1760 was the Thomas, blacksmith, who married Mary Litchfield in 1793, most of whose children were also baptised in the Moravian church. Apart from Johannes – but might he have been the Thomas born in 1799? Why name another son Thomas in 1805 if the 1799 Thomas was still living, unless he was actually Johannes? Johannes could easily be mistranscribed as Thomas - J/T h o/a m/nn o/a s

Thomas seems to have been buried at Bedford Moravian on 7 Jan 1836 age 75 and Mary on 26 Jan 1832 age 59

When you've digested this lot we'll have a look at the various John Peacocks baptised in Riseley in the early 1700s

David
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Re: A bit of a puzzle
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 18 March 14 09:15 GMT (UK) »
       Forgot to say have the STEVENGIBBS LINK.what a tremendous job he has done. for any-one searching for riseley.information.
And not just Riseley marriages. He's done all parishes in Bedford registration district - see the homepage at http://www.stevengibbs.me.uk/ParishRegistersPage.htm
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
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            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: A bit of a puzzle
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 18 March 14 09:24 GMT (UK) »
HELLO
         Gosh you both have been very busy.here was me.having a quick look at the bedfordshire link .kindly given.found budfordshire muster lists 1539-1831 by NIGERL LUTT.
                Bedfordshire Historical Society.71.1992
 Wondered if to try and buy.if any peacock help.then spotted.MORAVIAN WORSHIP.also not sure what this involves.but also states Establistished 1745.folled by further Establishments of Chapels at PERTENHALL and RISELEY.then spotted cd done.1602-1812.by bedfordshire.turned on to see if any-thing this morning,and you have out done me.with your very excellent information.little did i guess .when posted my querry.who well informed.the kind researchers are.sadly am off to see my pain specialist .commuity car is picking me up.so apoligise in advance if .do not reply to post.will do when get back.but you know as well as me.waiting time at hospitals can be tiresome.not always.
  thanks again
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Re: A bit of a puzzle
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 18 March 14 09:30 GMT (UK) »
Hello Bedfordshireboy,
               Quick reply.yes like a idiot was writing all done on paper long job.when after a tiring 3 or 4 hours found could print out.which have done.trouble is run out of ink.after 38 pages of marriages,30 odd pages of burials.you name it.this was my main source of peacock marriages from 1837.
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« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 18 March 14 09:50 GMT (UK) »
It's the Nigel Lutt Muster List book that John P and I use, but it's out of print now. It's great for the north Beds villages, where the 1803 Muster List acts as a census for men aged 17-55. But I've given you all the information it contains about the Riseley Peacocks so I wouldn't go searching for it in second hand bookshops. If you need anything checking just ask on here.

Another snippet regarding Johannes born 1799. He was drawn by ballot to serve in the militia in 1817, but found a substitute to serve in his place. Enrolled 6 May 1817, when Johannes was said to be age 19.

There's no sign of Johannes b 1752 in Riseley in 1803. If he was living there he should have been included. Perhaps he was living in Bedford where the muster lists haven't survived.
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
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Re: A bit of a puzzle
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 18 March 14 13:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mike,

Found some interesting background reading about the Moravian Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Province_of_the_Moravian_Church

Steve
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