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George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« on: Thursday 09 June 11 09:21 BST (UK) »
Hi
Would like to make contact with anyone researching the family of George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop who married in Bedford in 1788, to find out more about them.
Helen

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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 June 11 09:36 BST (UK) »
What details about them are you are looking for, and what do you already know?
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 June 11 09:51 BST (UK) »
Hi
All I know about them at the moment is what I found on the IGI, plus some other research.
I have found several possible children in Bedford, Cople, Cardington & Potton between 1789 & 1804
A possible baptism for Elizabeth in 1773 in Bolnhurst, Bedfordshire
I have a possible baptism for George in Cople in 1760 from my own research
Plus possible deaths in Potton(1813) & Cardington(1799) for Elizabeth, and Cardington(1835) for George in Findmypast.
Would like to try and tie some of it together if possible and find out what happened to them.
Helen

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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 June 11 16:58 BST (UK) »
Sundry entries taken from PR transcripts (pre 1813) and the NBI (post 1812)

Burials
George Richards son of George & Elizabeth at Cardington 23 Nov 1793
George Richards age 35 at Cardington on 12 May 1830
George Richards age 75 on 29 May 1835 at Cardington
Elizabeth dau of George & Elizabeth on 8 Apr 1799 at Cardington
Joseph Richards age 70 at Cardington on 16 Sept 1813

Baptisms at Cardington show no additional detail to what's on the IGI.

The were no Richards living in Cardington in the 1782 Inhabitants of Cardington.

A Judith Richards had what appears to be an illegitimate son, George, baptised in Potton on 14 Dec 1814, and a member submission on the IGI (not to be relied on) shows she married William Tear in Potton on 10 Jan 1814. The date looks iffy and I'd like to see it confirmed. William 50 and Judith 48 Tear were living in Potton in 1841 and there's a burial of Judith Tear in Potton on 5 Sept 1841 aged 50, which just about ties up with Judith baptised in Cople on 6 Oct 1791.  It would therefore tend to support the notion that George and Elizabeth moved from Cople to Cardington to Potton and possibly dropped into Bedford on the way. The only other Richards burial in Potton was Mary Richards aged 27 on 25 March 1829, which seems to be the Mary baptised at Cardington on 19 March 1802.

Naomi Richards born in Potton in 1804 seems to disappear. I wonder if she was the Naomi Richards, a pauper from the workhouse, whose daughter Jane was baptised at St Martin in the Fields, Middlesex, on 29 May 1830. In 1841 there's a Jane Richards,  11 not born in Beds a servant in the household of Joseph & Mary Clifton living in George St, which might be her. Or it might not!

A Cordelia Richards married Thomas Horley at St Marylebone on 14 Nov 1813. Looks to be the right one as in 1861 there's a Cordelia Horley widow 71 b Bedford living in Paddington

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell


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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 June 11 17:17 BST (UK) »
The 1782 census of Cardington shows a Hartop family living in Cardington, but I can't see an Elizabeth of the right age.

I see the 1773 baptism in Bolnhurst gives her age as 11, which fits roughly with her burial age of 50 in 1813

Still working on it

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #5 on: Friday 10 June 11 00:01 BST (UK) »
Hi
Thanks for your info, I think its beginning to tie together!
I have also been doing more digging and found out more about the Tear family. It seems that Judith's son Richard went to Stoke, Nelson in New Zealand in 1852 as I found a thread mentioning her in NZ Rootschat, her son Jacob ended up in the Old Bailey as a bankrupt in 1864, finally died in Cambridge in 1898.
The George Richards born 1813, became George Tear and went to live in Cambridgeshire, dying there in 1874. There is also some Quarter Session Rolls regarding "Recognizances: Wm. Tear, Potton, bricklayer; bastardy. W. JUDITH RICHARDS"!
I would like to tie the Richards children together but I don't think that will be possible with any great certainty to (for example) to tie Cordelia with Judith or Naomi, so might have to settle for best guess.
Helen

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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #6 on: Friday 10 June 11 07:30 BST (UK) »
From the Bolnhurst PR transcript baptisms

Oct 17 1773 Elizabeth illegitimate daughter of Mary Hartop now Elms aged 11

on same day is Catherine daughter of Francis & Mary Elms. blacksmith

Francis Elms married Mary Hartop of Keysoe on 11 Oct 1769 by licence
Mary, wife of Francis Elmes, blacksmith is buried 15 July 1776

As per the banns dated on 14 Feb 1779 Francis Elms, blacksmith widower married Hannah Withrow of Eaton Socon

& on 27 Feb 1780 Francis & Hannah Elmes baptised daughter Elizabeth 

but Francis already has a step daughter name Elizabeth
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Partridge - North Beds; Northants & Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #7 on: Friday 10 June 11 07:45 BST (UK) »
Have you seen the St Peters Bedford 31 Aug 1788 marriage entry to check if Ellizabeth Hartop came from elsewhere ?
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Partridge - North Beds; Northants & Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #8 on: Friday 10 June 11 07:49 BST (UK) »
The BLARS online catalogue at http://blars.adlibsoft.com/ has two Removal Orders of George Richards - from Potton to Cardington in 1827 and from Biggleswade to Cardington in 1830. That firmly links George to Cardington and Potton. Cople and Cardington are adjoining so I have no doubt that it's the same George in those two parishes. The only baptism that might be considered doubtful is Cordelia in Bedford, but as Cardington is only just outside Bedford I think you're on pretty safe ground in assuming it's the same couple in the absence of another George/Elizabeth marriage.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell