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Re: victorian mourning photo?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 10 April 14 13:08 BST (UK) »
this is a photo of her mother who lived 1847-1913 she is the widow of the man who was killed in 1889 any idea on date for this one please?

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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 10 April 14 13:58 BST (UK) »
It's defiantly my second great nan born 1873 so it can't be 1870s?

Who told you it was her? Jim is excellent at dating and my book suggested 1870s.  Did she have any elder sisters?

Could you posiibly scan the back, please - all of it including the edges. This could further help with dating.


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Re: victorian mourning photo?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 10 April 14 15:55 BST (UK) »
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It's defiantly my second great nan born 1873 so it can't be 1870s?
Definitely 1870's.
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Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
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Re: victorian mourning photo?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 10 April 14 19:13 BST (UK) »
Hi I appologise if I sounded ungrateful in your estimate of date I was disapointed that its not who ive been told it is, what do you date the second photo perhaps they have bren confused unfornunatly I do not iwn the origina vopies


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Re: victorian mourning photo? Louisa Ada Simkiss
« Reply #13 on: Friday 11 April 14 07:36 BST (UK) »
The second one looks to me as though it is 1880's, possibly 1885ish :)

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Re: victorian mourning photo? Louisa Ada Simkiss
« Reply #14 on: Friday 11 April 14 11:26 BST (UK) »
Just to add and also to confirm on the date of the first image being from the 1870's.

The subject's hair is off the forehead and taken back towards the crown and the back of the head leaving the ears uncovered, where it has been put into a Chignon, due to the lowness of this where it is on the nape of the neck it then is termed as being in a Catagan style. She only has two pieces of jewellery that I can see these being what would appear to be be dropped earrings and a brooch. Her Bodice would have had a dropped shoulder seam, which because of the small shawl that she sports can not be seen. The sleeves of the bodice it self are "coat sleeves" which have no overal design shape to them stopping short of the wrist and having a single button at what would be the cuff, however this area is extended an inch or so by the inclusion of some lace work which then takes this to the wrist. The skirt, seperate from the bodice, is typical of the era with a sweep from the waist to the hem, which falls just above the floor and in line with the toe of the footwear, above the hem can be seen the "frilling" of the skirt sometimes this is only one line of material other times it can be two, three or more. The skirt also has fabric dropping down from the waist, both front and back, which gives the skirt its name of being an "apron skirt" (the fabric at the back, which one can just make out, is known as a peplum and in todays fashion both front and back go by that name). As Jim has alsready said, the hankerchief would be of lace and I would not put to much store on the fact that she is holding it because of mourning. Photographers were, at this time, getting the sitter to hold things be it a book, glasses or in this case a hankerchief. I would also not put too much on the fact that she is standing next to an empty chair, which by the way is a Jacobian revival chair with barley twist back supports, an over the top decorative splat and turned stetchers again typical of the date given by Jim & Gadget, it did happen that chairs were used in the fashion that Frank has described but again I feel that in this instance the chair has been utilised more as a prop by the photographer to even the image out and also to lend some support to the subect (not forgetting that due to the exposure time one had to stay stock still.

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Re: victorian mourning photo? Louisa Ada Simkiss
« Reply #15 on: Friday 11 April 14 11:34 BST (UK) »
What a lot I learn on this site!    ;) ;)
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Re: victorian mourning photo? Louisa Ada Simkiss
« Reply #16 on: Friday 11 April 14 11:39 BST (UK) »
Don't you just love it, I find every day is a learning curve.

Thanks for putting that on OR.

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Re: victorian mourning photo? Louisa Ada Simkiss
« Reply #17 on: Friday 11 April 14 11:57 BST (UK) »
A long time since we had an OR master class.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/