1841/51/61 look up request for David Elder born c1791

[sylvia wells]

Hi, is it possible for someone to check the London census for David Elder born c1791 died 1871 and buried at Abney Park.  In 1841 David is living in St Botolph without Bishopsgate.

My Grt GRt Grandfather ( William Prater 1829 to 1909  born Crantock )is buried in the same grave and his partner was also an Elder ( Eliza c 1843). They are both mentioned in the Jack the Ripper Chronicles and I'm trying to find what the relationship Eliza has with David.

My sincere thanks to all the Roots Chatters in advance who try and solve my mystery.

[keyboard86]

Hi 1841 census:-

David Elder 50
Ann 40 Not born in county
Robert 15
Ann 10
David 7
Maria 3
Residing at Houndsditch, St Boltoph without Bishopsgate
Census ref HO107/725/ 15/21 / 34

Keyboard86

For reference only!

[judi2632]

1861 David Elder70  Head Widower Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Robert Elder   35 Son
Catherine Elder   32  Daughter in Law
David Elder   25 Son
Maria Elder   23 Daughter
James Balls   75 Brother in Law
Catharine Balls   70 Sister in Law

Living St Botolph without Aldgate

[judi2632]

1851
David Elder 63 Licenced Vitullar London, Middlesex, England
Ann Elder   55 Wife Shottisham, Norfolk, England
Robert Elder 25 Son Kensington, Middlesex, England
Ann Elder   20 Dau Kensington, Middlesex, England
David Elder 16 Son Kensington, Middlesex, England
Maria Elder 13 Dau London, Middlesex, England
Susan Anderson   30 Servant

living St Botolph Bishopsgate

[rolnora]

And in 1861
David Elder 70 Head born Shoreditch Middlesex Licensed Victullar
Robert Elder 35 son born Middlesex Kensington Manager of Public House
Catherine Elder 32 Dau in law born Norfolk Dunston
David Elder 25 Professor of Music Middlesex Kensington
Maria Elder 23 Dau St Botolph Bishopsgate, London
James Balls 75 brother in law Norfolk
Catharine Balls 70 sister in law Shothisham, Norfolk

Living at 314 or 3&4 Cutler Street St Botolph without Aldgate.
RG 9 Piece 211 Folio 26 Page 11

[judi2632]

From All London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Catharine Ann Elder Bap 4 Feb 1824 St Thomas the Apostle Parents David and Ann Elder ( Father's occupation ( Publican)
Robert Elder Bap 8 Feb 1826 St Giles without Cripplegate Parents David and Ann Elder ( Father's occupation Vitullar)
David Elder Bap 15 Jun 1828 St Giles without Cripplegate Parents David and Ann Elder ( Father's occupation Vitullar)
Ann Skipper Elder Bap 7 Jul 1830 St Giles without Cripplegate Parents David and Ann Elder ( Father's occupation Vitullar)

[sylvia wells]

Thank you for your prompt replies. I can now try and decipher my relatives link to the Elder family.

[keyboard86]

Hi could I just ask you state Eliza Elder was the partner of William Prater, were they therefore married as I can see in 1881 a William b c 1829 but Truro and an Eliza b c 1843 with 2 children  a Charles Elder 12 and Kate Elder 12 shown as children of a previous husband?
Census ref RG11/438/59/22

Keyboard86

[rolnora]

Could the link be
 Eliza Satchell servant to Robert Elder aged 28 and with children Charles 3 and Kate 2 in the 1871 census.
 Eliza states she's married but there isn't any evidence of a husband

RG10; Piece: 416; Folio: 78; Page: 25

Probate for Robert Elder died 1873 has ...Robert Elder late of the George & Dragon public house was proved by Eliza Rose Satchell wife of Charles Satchell.