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Title: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: quigbg on Thursday 14 July 05 18:37 BST (UK)
Looking for information on Rollo Gillespie's ancestors and Decendants. Any assistance appreciated

Bernie Quigley
Nova Scotia Canada


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Title: Re: FAMILY OF SIR ROLLO GILLESPIE
Post by: willow2670 on Thursday 14 July 05 18:50 BST (UK)
Hello Bernie
As you give no age/place of birth, this is just a guess
but could this be him on the 1901 census

Ref: RG13/3398 Folio 188 

Shaw A Gillespie Head 51 b Liverpool, Lancashire    Hide Merchant
Margaret Gillespie Wife 45 b Liverpool
Alice Gillespie Dau 18 b Broad Green, Lancs 
Harold Gillespie Son 17 b Broad Green, Lancs     Hide Merchant
Cuthbert E Gillespie Son 12 b Wavertree, Lancs
Arthur S Gillespie Son 9 b Waterloo, Lancs
Rollo Gillespie Son b 7 b West Derby, Lancs
Catherine Craven Serv 15 b Liverpool                  Kitchenmaid, domestic
5 Queens Rd, Birkenhead, Cheshire   
 
Sue

Title: Re: FAMILY OF SIR ROLLO GILLESPIE
Post by: Christopher on Thursday 14 July 05 19:08 BST (UK)
Bernie,

I wonder if Sir Robert Rollo Gillespie (1766 - 1814) is the guy about whom you require more information Sir Robert was born in a large house on the square in Comber, Co. Down where his statue now stands. He was also known as "Rollicking Rollo."

Sue,

I hope you will not be upset at a comment I feel I must make. If a poster does not post adequate information it does no harm to drop them a PM, or even post a message on the board, asking if they have any more information than that already posted. I hope that some newcomers to the boards will also read this comment. Taking such an action tends to establish a better working relationship with the person who opened the topic and assures them that you are taking a genuine interest in their query rather than making wild guesses. Genealogy should involve step by step research rather than guesswork.

Best Wishes, Christopher 


Title: Re: FAMILY OF SIR ROLLO GILLESPIE
Post by: quigbg on Thursday 14 July 05 20:19 BST (UK)
Yes he is the same guy . He also has one at St Pauls in London. A book was written about him called "The Bravest Soldier"
My Gillespies are connected somehow and and trying to find that connection it has to be thru James Gillespie from BanBridge:


Descendants of ? Gillespie


Generation No. 1

1.  ?1 GILLESPIE was born in Banff Scotland.
   
Child of ? GILLESPIE is:
2.   i.   JAMES2 GILLESPIE, b. 1680, Banbridge Co. Down; d. 1750, Cork Ireland.


Generation No. 2

2.  JAMES2 GILLESPIE (?1) was born 1680 in Banbridge Co. Down, and died 1750 in Cork Ireland.  He married ELIZABETH SHERIFF.  

More About JAMES GILLESPIE:
Burial: St Nicholas Church Cork
Facts (Facts Pg): Government Inspector of Linen Farms
   
Children of JAMES GILLESPIE and ELIZABETH SHERIFF are:
3.   i.   WILLIAM3 GILLESPIE, b. 1735, Cork Ireland; d. 1790, Cork Ireland.
   ii.   JAMES GILLESPIE.


Generation No. 3

3.  WILLIAM3 GILLESPIE (JAMES2, ?1) was born 1735 in Cork Ireland, and died 1790 in Cork Ireland.  He married ELIZABETH TEULON, daughter of WILLIAM TEULON and H. COSSART.  She was born 1735.

More About WILLIAM GILLESPIE:
Cause of Death: Died of "Whisky"
Facts (Facts Pg): Governor of the Magazine at Cork
Occupation: Governor of the Magazine Cork

More About ELIZABETH TEULON:
Medical Information: Low sized women
   
Children of WILLIAM GILLESPIE and ELIZABETH TEULON are:
4.   i.   WILLIAM STAWELL4 GILLESPIE, b. June 1776, Cork Ireland; d. May 1854, Cork Ireland.
   ii.   DAUGTHER GILLESPIE.

More About DAUGTHER GILLESPIE:
Facts (Facts Pg): ran away with a soldier

5.   iii.   JOHN GILLESPIE, b. Abt. 1790; d. 1826.
6.   iv.   RICHARD GILLESPIE.
   v.   HENRY GILLESPIE, b. 1790; d. 1811.

More About HENRY GILLESPIE:
Cause of Death: Consumption
Facts (Facts Pg): Apparently died unamarried


Title: Re: FAMILY OF SIR ROLLO GILLESPIE
Post by: Christopher on Thursday 14 July 05 20:52 BST (UK)
This site shows Robert Rollo Gillespie CB grandson of Sir Rollo Gillespie

http://lightinfantry.org.uk/Regiments/Durham%20LI/durham_commmandofficers.htm

The son of Major General Sir Rollo Gillespie and Annabelle Taylor still needs to be found.
Title: Re: FAMILY OF SIR ROLLO GILLESPIE
Post by: missg on Thursday 01 September 05 13:29 BST (UK)
The Robert Rollo Gillespie in that weblink is my great grandfather. 
my grandad, dad and brother have the same name.  I've always been told i'm a descendant of the Comber Robert Rollo, but i'm not convinced.

My father knows loads about this stuff, let me know and i can give you his email address.  My mum knew a lot about it too and i would ask her about it but she passed away this year so that's no longer possible.

Hope that is helpful in some way. :)
Title: Re: FAMILY OF SIR ROLLO GILLESPIE
Post by: bobed on Friday 02 September 05 10:02 BST (UK)
Sorry this isn't of much use in your search - there's an old joke around County Down that if you're stopped by the police you give your name as "Robert Gillespie, The Square, Comber"!  ;)
Title: Re: FAMILY OF SIR ROLLO GILLESPIE
Post by: Christopher on Friday 02 September 05 15:08 BST (UK)
Morover there's one unknown fact, well almost, that Sir Robert Rollo Gillespie was the godfather of Robert Rollo Light, an old friend of his father's from his Javanese days

http://members.tripod.com/bill_n_margy/light-genrpt.htm
Title: Re: FAMILY OF SIR ROLLO GILLESPIE
Post by: slaytor1 on Tuesday 08 November 05 19:48 GMT (UK)
There was an interesting article about the first Major-General Gillespie in the September 1990 issue of Family Tree magazine which mentions three sons - Robert, George and one unnamed, plus a daughter Selina.

My great-grandmother Margaret Gillespie (1871-1946)was the daughter of Major Thomas Gillespie. Royal Engineers, and we have always been told he was a descendant of the Major-General, but haven't been able to confirm this yet.

Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Saturday 21 January 06 22:38 GMT (UK)
I am the direct descendant of the general (no 14), and heir. I have much paperwork ,family trees etc.  signed- Robert Rollo Gilespie   
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: Christopher on Saturday 21 January 06 22:40 GMT (UK)
Hei Rowlie,

Welcome to Rootschat.

Slaytor, please accept my apologies I should have welcomed you earlier.

Best Wishes, Chris
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Saturday 21 January 06 22:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks . I had to call myself Rowlie as someone had nicked me name !  However if any one wants to know anything about the general then I am your man here!
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: Christopher on Saturday 21 January 06 23:09 GMT (UK)
Thanks Rowlie.

That is the intention of Rootschat, people sharing information with each other.

Do you know if the General is mentioned in the current edition of "A Dictionary of Irish Biography?" There is no mention of him in the one I have borrowed from the library. It is the third edition published in 1998.

All the Best,

Chris
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Saturday 21 January 06 23:11 GMT (UK)
Think he's in the National one.
Title: Re: FAMILY OF SIR ROLLO GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Saturday 21 January 06 23:18 GMT (UK)
Sorry this isn't of much use in your search - there's an old joke around County Down that if you're stopped by the police you give your name as "Robert Gillespie, The Square, Comber"!  ;)
Seems like I could be in dire trouble if I got stopped  in County Down then ! Ido go from time to time, so there is always the risk .
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: slaytor1 on Sunday 22 January 06 19:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Rowlie

Only just catching up on emails!  I'd be fascinated to know if my great-great grandfather, Thomas Gillespie of the Royal Engineers appears anywhere on your tree.  In the 1871 census he is shown as born in Ireland c.1840, but that's about all the information I have.  I know by the 1891 census he was serving in Bermuda, and presumably was out of the UK in 1881 also.

Thanks Chris for the welcome.  I'm just dipping my feet in gingerly at the moment as time on our PC at home is much in demand!

Best wishes
John
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Sunday 22 January 06 20:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Rowlie

Only just catching up on emails!  I'd be fascinated to know if my great-great grandfather, Thomas Gillespie of the Royal Engineers appears anywhere on your tree.  In the 1871 census he is shown as born in Ireland c.1840, but that's about all the information I have.  I know by the 1891 census he was serving in Bermuda, and presumably was out of the UK in 1881 also.

Thanks Chris for the welcome.  I'm just dipping my feet in gingerly at the moment as time on our PC at home is much in demand!

Best wishes
John
Iwill dig it out and have a look for you.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: slaytor1 on Sunday 22 January 06 21:13 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much Rowlie, that will be greatly appreciated.
Best wishes
John
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: missg on Thursday 26 January 06 13:15 GMT (UK)
That's useful info Dad...sorry...Rowlie
I guess that makes me direct descendant no.15 then........ ::).
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: Christopher on Thursday 26 January 06 13:23 GMT (UK)
That's useful info Dad...sorry...Rowlie
I guess that makes me direct descendant no.15 then........ ::).

Nice one missg. Who else are you researching? Anyone interesting?

All the Best, Chris
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Thursday 26 January 06 15:34 GMT (UK)
That's useful info Dad...sorry...Rowlie
I guess that makes me direct descendant no.15 then........ ::).
My son Robert Rollo is!
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: missg on Thursday 26 January 06 17:02 GMT (UK)
So girls don't count then  ???  NO FAIR!!

Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: missg on Thursday 26 January 06 17:04 GMT (UK)
Quote from: missg link=topic=73523.msg547513#msg547513
Nice one missg. Who else are you researching? Anyone interesting?

All the Best, Chris
[/quote

Just myself it would seem! ;)
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: Christopher on Thursday 26 January 06 18:12 GMT (UK)
Quote from: missg link=topic=73523.msg547513#msg547513
Nice one missg. Who else are you researching? Anyone interesting?

All the Best, Chris
[/quote

Just myself it would seem! ;)

missg,

All the research here seems to be on the paternal side. Why not research your mother's side of the family. That might be interesting and give you something to do at Rootschat.

All the Best,

Christopher
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Thursday 26 January 06 18:35 GMT (UK)
So girls don't count then  ???  NO FAIR!!


Well a liitle bit just now - until they can crack cloning and test tubing  babies for 9 months!  :-\
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 30 May 06 20:44 BST (UK)
Looking for information/descendants of Rev. Robert Gillespie. Born Sept.1844 Annahilt, Co.Down, died 8 JUne 1900 Borsad, Gujarat, India. Married 1st (1868) Kate Watters- her father Rev. Thomas Watters of Newtownards- and had at least 6 children. He m.2nd (10 Jan.1898 Belfast) Sara Lynd (1858-1930)- teacher in Baltimore, Maryland, U.S., missionary in Damascus.
Robert died of cholera in 1900 and Sara returned to her family in Co.Derry with stepson Donald.
Children of Robert and Kate:
1. Rev. Samuel Gillespie (1869-1928), married and had 2 children?.
2. Winnie Gillespie m. __Johnston or Jacob. 1900- Poona, India.
3. Edith Gillespie.
4. Maud Gillespie.
5. Gracie Gillespie.
6. Donald Gillespie, born June 1889 India, served WWI (alive 1915), to Winnipeg, Canada 1909. Found in 1911 census.
Sara Lynd was my grandfather's aunt and he was named after her stepson Donald. Would appreciate any details on this family.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: mrs.c. on Sunday 08 July 07 19:47 BST (UK)
hello slaytor1,i am new to rootschat but i am also researching the gillespie family i would be interested to know which slaytor you are,my husbands grandmother was margaret e.slaytor she married a george child in 1913,margaret slaytor's mother was margaret gillespie my husbands g/grandmother.i am trying to research back as far as robert rollo gillespie,i am stuck on margaret gillespie's husband and family at the moment,if you have any more info i would be interested i have some photo's of the slaytor family.thanks
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Sunday 08 July 07 21:52 BST (UK)
Update  Have been in touch with lovely lady on India/Dheli who has a first Ghurka War ancestor. She has been busy cleaning my ancestors grave,  removing bat guano etc. She has sent me pictures about Kalunga etc. There are also a number of questions that arise about the involvement of local people in these campaigns, but  History is diffuse about such matters as it is always from our point of view. So please tell me what you have.  I am told that here is an upsurge of interest on the General and I have been asked to write something for the regiment. Very difficult when the whole resource has probably come from my grand parents anyway and I still have those resources. We wrote the book! But also I do realise as a modern man, that there are two sides to every story and the unraveling of that is very difficult. I am sorry if I have not responded to queries. Just give me a gentle dig in the ribs! I promise I will not blow your head off. I am very busy with my work.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Wednesday 11 July 07 15:57 BST (UK)
Manuscripts
GILLESPIE family trees are in volumes 12p1N Comber, volume 29T, volume 57 ‘A Family Sketch’ {This one looks special} These volumes are in the Blackwood Family history manuscript trees in LinenHall library, Belfast.  I suggest if you don’t know about them, then you ask the library for photocopying estimates, and  if they think your knowledge relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing. However if the material is really relevant when you get it, I suggest a further donation to this unique library that is always needing extra funds. Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, Telephone: +44 (0)28 9032 1707,  Fax: +44 (0)28 9043 8586, Email:info[at]linenhall.com.

Books
Gillespie, Sir, R. R.    Memoir of Major-General Sir R. R. Gillespie  1816
Wakeham, Eric    The bravest soldier, Sir Rollo Gillespie, 1766-1814 : etc. 1937
 
Comber Gillespie entries are also in,
www.proni.gov.uk/freeholders,  freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies. Hoping something is new to you. Good luck in your work, Jim
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: mrs.c. on Thursday 12 July 07 19:07 BST (UK)
thankyou jim i am very grateful for the info you have given me, i will contact the linen hall library in belfast and see what they come up with for me, i can only go back so far at the moment so any help is very much appreciated.i only wish i could visit in person. with regard to the book "the bravest soldier" i have borrowed this from our local library and my husband is engrossed in it.the other book the memoir of major-general r.r.gillespie 1816, i think there is only one copy in the british library, my library are trying to borrow it for me so i am hoping to get this one as i think it is the only one with more details of robert rollo and his family.
thankyou once again for your time and trouble.jan
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: mrs.c. on Thursday 12 July 07 19:11 BST (UK)
hello rowlie,thankyou for your update,i do not have very much info on the gillespie family at the moment i am trying to find a connection to robert rollo gillespie for my husband whose g/g grandmother was margaret gillespie.thankyou jan
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Thursday 12 July 07 20:07 BST (UK)
a copy of 1816 is in LHL use google and then catalogue with sub heading irish.... For strictly private research they may offer photocopying of part or all. Keep it private if you do, glad to be of help, see you up Scrabo some time when staircase open on Friday afternoons, but I will be at the bottom step cheering you upwards. Its worth every step. Jim
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Post by: rowlie on Thursday 12 July 07 22:35 BST (UK)
As an aside .  I gather from my Nepalese contacts that money is available to restore or replace the memorials about the Battle of Khalunga, restoration of the generals grave etc and the creation of gardens associated with the memorials . It includes a reconstruction of the Fort   Now I always remember a photo or picture of the fort from my early years ,and Dad tell me what it was, but I don't have the  info to access on this side of things.( YES I WAS STITCHED UP OVER INHERITANCE) Now has anyone seen a picture of the fort in contemporary press or later, because the Archaeological service want this information? Anything gratefully received.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Thursday 12 July 07 23:14 BST (UK)
Incidently all the literature still comes back to what my father , G father, ggf, and, gggf  have provided. It is very difficult for me to improve on this. You can analyse the information and glean snippets such as he was quite a one for a pretty girl,and sometimes that made work secondary to the job in hand, even if the General was married.  "Campaigners Grave and Gay" is a great read.  YES ,I still have the texts provided for most of these books but such was the quality provided by my forbears - I can't improve on it.  I have been asked questions such as   "What was the involvement of the Nepalese people in the campaign".  I have difficulty here in that all aspects of describing it can only come from our perspective.  I am not explaining this too well  but I am sure you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Thursday 12 July 07 23:40 BST (UK)
Photographs
A photographic image of Kalunga; Fort or Nalapani Ko Ladain is in www.khukurihouseonline.com/Content/Gurkhas/


Books
Hernon, Ian Blood in the Sand several editions eg Hardcover: Sutton Publishing
2001
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Friday 13 July 07 08:00 BST (UK)
Yes I read Blood in the Sand. Unfortunately the picture isn't Khalunga Fort. The fort has been flattened. It is a on a small plateau.  A few stones can be seen sticking out of the ground in a pleasantly wooded area. Jyoti Thapa's grandfather bought the site in 1880 to preserve it and she still owns it. Jyoti sent me pictures of it Her family is from the area.
Best wishes
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Monday 06 August 07 21:52 BST (UK)
Still looking for the fort information.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Saturday 31 January 09 12:06 GMT (UK)
Last December I was asked if I would take a Gillespie Family Tree DNA test and was offered the test paid for  by the group.  I have accepted it and the first results will be out in a few weeks time.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: mrs.c. on Saturday 31 January 09 13:35 GMT (UK)
hi rowlie,what group? let us all know when you get the results.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Wednesday 04 March 09 11:41 GMT (UK)
It is Yahoo group, Gillespie family tree DNA. I am Group 1. Haplo group l2b1. I am kit No 142370 which you should be able to access via FTDNA.  The only way to decide which Gillespie group you belong to is to have the test yourself if you are male or the male who will carry your ancestral dna if you are female.

Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: wayward on Sunday 31 May 09 14:23 BST (UK)
Hi Gillespie descendants,

I am a descendent of William Gillespie (Born Cork 1735 died 1790?)
and his son William Stawell Gillespie (Born Cork 1776 died 1855)
and his Son Henry Cameron (Born Cork 23/3/1828 died 24/9/1902 Auckland NZ)
and His son Henry Gibbon (Born Thames NZ 1871 died 14/12/1937 Auckland)
and his son John Franklin Rowan (born 1926 Auckland currently living in Australia)

I will be touring around Ireland for a week June10 to 18th 2009.

My Mother (who is very keen on Geneology and my cousin also ) have quite a few family tree records. Mum says there is a statue somewhere in Ireland of Sir Robert Rollo Gillespie I should look up - does anyone know where this is?
I used to have to recite a poem when I was at school about Sir Robert Rollo  I remember, does anyone have a copy?






Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: Kim P on Monday 01 June 09 00:35 BST (UK)
Help!
I think I'm a descendant of Sir Rollo Gillespie and I'm not sure how to find out. My grandmother, Sylvia (maiden name was Gillespie), always spoke of the statue and I think she said he was an uncle or great uncle of hers (on her father's side). Unfortunately, all of my relatives are deceased who could put the pieces together for me and I was the silly kid who didn't take enough interest in the actual history of our family until it was too late to ask her about it.

My grandmother, Sylvia Gillespie was raised in in Brighton, England but we are not sure if she was born there. Sylvia's mother was Ursula May Shepherd and her father was a doctor. Ursala May had one sister named Dolly. Ursala married a Gillespie, Sylvia's father, but I don't know his name.

Ursala had four children: Rollo, Pam, Sylvia and Barbara.

My grandmother married Stanely Joseph Higgins, who was from Ireland. They moved to Canada over 60 years ago. Sylvia's brother Rollo lived in England his whole life (again, we're unsure of their birthplaces) and was married to Anne. I don't know anything about the other two sisters.

Apparently we still have family in Ireland but I don't know anything about them; I would love to learn more!

If any of this sounds familiar or if you know how I can find out more information I would absolutely love to hear from you!

Thanks!
Kim
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: hughrg on Sunday 26 July 09 16:44 BST (UK)
Rowlie

I would very much like to have a chat.  I am yet another Rollo Gillespie.  I am not descended from the General, though there is a possibility of a collateral link, but I am often asked about his decendants.  I understand that RRG had no legitimate children, but that his son by Mlle Pecher, also RRG, died in 1843, having had a son, again RRG, in 1830, who died in 1890.  I have met a grand-daughter (Susan) of this third RRG but she is now dead.  She must be a cousin or closer relation of yours.  If you would like to exchange information, please let me know.

HRG
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: Kim P on Wednesday 29 July 09 16:00 BST (UK)
That would be great! I'm not sure how to send it privately though. Do you know how?
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 29 July 09 17:45 BST (UK)
After you've both made 3 posts you can use the PM (personal message) system.
www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: hughrg on Wednesday 29 July 09 19:30 BST (UK)
Thank you.  Watch out for more posts from me.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rowlie on Thursday 30 July 09 12:01 BST (UK)
www.familytreedna.com/public/GillespieDNAProject/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GillespieDNAProject_discussion/

Some links for  you.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: Kim P on Thursday 30 July 09 14:53 BST (UK)
AHHHHHH....
Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: hughrg on Thursday 30 July 09 16:19 BST (UK)
Thanks.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: podwyer11 on Sunday 28 November 10 21:56 GMT (UK)
Hello Rowlie, I am the grand son of Pat O'Dwyer who was burn in Argentine and it was said that he was a decendant of Sir Robert Rollo Gillespie? Pat O'Dwyer served in Sierra leon under the West African Royal Frontier Force.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: Prospect on Thursday 10 February 11 14:45 GMT (UK)
New to this forum.

I am a 1st cousin 6x removed of HRRG 1766-1814.

I have a portrait of Grace Savage née Gillespie who was a first cousin of RRG 1766-1814.

HRRG was the son of Robert Gillespie who married Jane Bailey and Grace was the daughter of George Gillespie who married a Miss Kyle. Robert and George were sons of Hugh Gillespie and Hon Susannah Rollo.

Grace's great grandson Col William Henry Savage 1863-1951 was my great grandfather and took quite an interest in family trees.

In WHS's research notes I found the following:

"Unproved Will 17 Oct 1795 Capt RR Gillespie.

Being on the eve of departure for West Indies leaves natural son George Gillespie to be disposed of for his advantage by his beloved wife Annabella Gillespie.
Leaves all of his fortune to his beloved wife Annabella and at her decease to her brother Edward Taylor Esq excepting £500 to her youngest brother James Taylor, also the reversion of what money and property was left to him by his late uncle James Bailie Esq of Inishargie and at her death to Edward Taylor except for £500 to Edward Taylor son of Nathan Taylor.
signed RRG Capt 20th Dragoons."

 
1. Shows the existence in 1795 of a natural son called George who is known to his wife.
2. Confirms that his mother Jane Bailie had a brother called James Bailie of Inishargie.
3. Confirms that Annabella had two brothers, Edward and James.
4. Suggests that he has no legitimate son at the time of this will.
5.I haven't identified Nathan yet.

On the question of RRG's son the Comber Historical Society webite talks about RRG's son presenting a flag which RRG captured at Vellore, to the King.

http://comberhistory.blogspot.com/2010/08/part-33-sir-robert-rollo-gillespie-kcb.html

"This was the flag captured later by Gillespie [at Vellore] and in 1821 presented by his son, Lieutenant R.R.Gillespie to King George 4th."

His "natural" son was called George. Is this Lt RRG the son in 4th Light Dragoons who married 1st Wilhelmina Frederica Massey in 1818 (but appears to have had no children by her). His second wife bore him at least three children including another RRG. I estimate his dates as 1800-1835.

Comments?

Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: quigley1846 on Wednesday 16 March 11 01:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Gillespie descendants,

I am a descendent of William Gillespie (Born Cork 1735 died 1790?)
and his son William Stawell Gillespie (Born Cork 1776 died 1855)
and his Son Henry Cameron (Born Cork 23/3/1828 died 24/9/1902 Auckland NZ)
and His son Henry Gibbon (Born Thames NZ 1871 died 14/12/1937 Auckland)
and his son John Franklin Rowan (born 1926 Auckland currently living in Australia)

I will be touring around Ireland for a week June10 to 18th 2009.

My Mother (who is very keen on Geneology and my cousin also ) have quite a few family tree records. Mum says there is a statue somewhere in Ireland of Sir Robert Rollo Gillespie I should look up - does anyone know where this is?
I used to have to recite a poem when I was at school about Sir Robert Rollo  I remember, does anyone have a copy?

I am also decended from this line my line is sarah williams Gillespie daughter of William Stalwell. Would love to share info offline  Bernie
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Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: Sue Bruce on Thursday 17 March 11 15:27 GMT (UK)
I am researching the Gillespie family of Limavady ... Robert Gillespie (b. 1880, d. 1934) married Eliza Jane (or Elizabeth) Garvin (b. 1886, d. 1967).  Robert was the son of Daniel Gillespie (circa 1850).  I have never been able to find information to progress further than Daniel ... don't even know the name of Daniel's wife.  Can anyone help.  We still have many family members in Limavady today.

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Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: HughC on Wednesday 21 September 11 13:17 BST (UK)
Elizabeth Casement of Invermore, Larne, was m. at Calcutta cathedral on 26 June 1826 to Capt. Gillespie of the 4th Light Dragoons, AdC to the Governor-General.

I assume she's "the lady of Capt. Gillespie" who d. 21 June 1827
(source: announcements in the East India Register found on the FiBIS web site, and also card index at the India Office library).

Can anyone help me discover who the mysterious captain was?
Possibly Robert Rollo, son of Sir Robert Rollo, who then m. Miss Blaxland a couple of years later -- though I thought he was in a different regiment.
But what did Elizabeth do (apart from inconsiderately dying within a year of marriage, probably in childbed) that was so disgraceful that she's apparently been expunged from the Gillespie family records?
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: longwm on Saturday 31 March 12 20:29 BST (UK)
I believe I am related to RRG (1766-1814) he being my gggggf via his daughter Isabelle who then married a John Hayes.

Does anyone else have info on that lineage?
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: KVG on Monday 29 June 15 23:02 BST (UK)
Hello all,

I seem to have stumbled upon this thread whilst trying to find about sir rollo. I have always been told whilst growing up that I am related to him. As I will be graduating in a couple of weeks from St. Paul's cathedral, I was wondering how. On our drumaneeny gillespies and butler family tree, the only Robert rollo that I can find was born 1916 in roscrae. I'm a direct descendent from Henry John born 1851 in rathfarnham and Mary Eleanor sheppard born 1861 in roscrae.
If anyone can help me, I would be most grateful. Many thanks
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: hughrg on Wednesday 29 July 15 10:30 BST (UK)
I think it unlikely that you are descended from RRG.  In my experience, all Irish Gillespie families (including my own until my father researched his ancestry) believe they are.  RRG had no legitimate children but two illegitimate - Selina (by Mlle D'Oboreuf) and Robert Rollo (by Melle Pécher).  Selina married Andrew Carew O'Dwyer and their daughter Mary married Timothy O'Brien, younger son of Sir Timothy O'Brien Bt, the first Catholic Lord Mayor of Dublin.  From this marriage the O'Brien baronets descend and the head of the family is Sir Timothy O'Brien 7th baronet, born in 1959.  They are not related to the Inchiquin O'Briens.  Robert Rollo married three times and only had children by his third wife, Sally Maria Blaxland - another Robert Rollo, William Augustus and Caroline.  This RRG had two sons and four daughters; the sons were yet another Robert Rollo (who had no children) and Jack (a captain in the DLI) who had only one daughter, so the Gillespie line died out here. But William Augustus had two sons, one of whom died in infancy and the other, Robert William, had a son, unsurprisingly Robert Rollo 1990-c 1986, a captain in the RE, from whom two more Robert Rollos descend, the last being Rowlie who contributes to this thread.  There are no Henry John Gillespies in the tree, so like me you seem to be from a parallel line of the same name.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: gillespieodwyermacdougall on Wednesday 03 February 16 17:18 GMT (UK)
Hello all.
Just came upon this site after trying to find a copy of "The Greatest Soldier".
Noticed the last post by "hughrg" was the only one to point out that Sir RRG's offspring were illegitimate.  Indeed, my family's legend was always that RRG was a bit of an all-round cad (not that that's necessarily a bad thing).
I note that hughrg's post states that RRG's illegitimate daughter Selina married Andrew Carew O'Dwyer and that they had just one child, Mary.
I might be much mistaken and would be happy for guidance here but my family tree states that they also had a son, Joseph O'Dwyer from whom I am descended as I suspect an earlier O'Dwyer poster may be too.
This line of the family are chiefly in Argentina, London and elsewhere in Britain. 
I would be very happy to hear from anyone-I'm only just discovering everyone now...
Thanks for any further info re this.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: hughrg on Wednesday 03 February 16 17:47 GMT (UK)
The book you want is "The Bravest Soldier", by Eric Wakeham.  Copies are available on abebooks - I've just checked.
It is certainly possible that Andrew O'Dwyer and Selina had more than one child.  In my records Mary is described as "only daughter of...", so it's more than likely there was a son, otherwise it might have been "only child of..."
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: gillespieodwyermacdougall on Thursday 04 February 16 17:22 GMT (UK)
Thanks hughrg!
No wonder I couldn't find the book!
Hopefully, I'll hear from some other descendants from this line.
Any more Argentinians out there from the Gillespie-O'Dwyer line?
Would love to hear from you.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 04 February 16 17:44 GMT (UK)
Papers including genealogical notes on the families of Stone of Newtownards and Comber, Gillespie of Comber and Stewart of Newtownards and of Ballylawn, Co. Donegal, with notes on Sir. R. Cowan, Major Gen. Sir. R. R. Gillespie, 1769 - 1963.

Belfast Public Record Office, D. 1613



Notes for pedigrees of the Deacon, Dobbin, Gillespie, King, Mc Meakin, Martin, Mulholland, Ogle and Oliver families of Counties Down and Armagh, c. 1664-1910.

Belfast Public Record Office, T. 960
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: Relative Stranger on Tuesday 08 November 16 18:45 GMT (UK)
Re KVG's Gillespie and Butler family tree, I have Mary Eleanor Sheppard and Henry John Gillespie in my family tree too. I am not connected to the Gillespies but to Mary Eleanor Sheppard. She was a first cousin of my great grandfather Henry Goddington Sheppard. I too discovered a Robert Rollo Gillespie born in Roscrea 1916. I think there must be a connection there to the other Robert Rollo. Why call your child after a well known figure from the past?
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: hughrg on Tuesday 08 November 16 19:18 GMT (UK)
I've just noticed that, in my post dated 29 July 2015, there is an error.  The RRG who served in the RE was born in 1890 and not 1990.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: rcmdq on Thursday 22 June 17 17:50 BST (UK)
Thanks hughrg!
No wonder I couldn't find the book!
Hopefully, I'll hear from some other descendants from this line.
Any more Argentinians out there from the Gillespie-O'Dwyer line?
Would love to hear from you.

Hi, I am another Argentine descendant of Sir Rollo, via Celina and Joseph. Would be interested in more details of Mlle D'Oboreuf. I have a baptism that states Celina was the daughter of Robert Rollo Gillespie and Rose Wheatlie, but it may be possible that Rose may have been a nanny and they used her name to protect the real mother. I came across the name D'Oboreuf (or that is what the written notes looked like) but I have never been able to confirm that name.
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 22 June 17 18:47 BST (UK)
Papers including genealogical notes on the families of Stone of Newtownards and Comber, Gillespie of Comber and Stewart of Newtownards and of Ballylawn, Co. Donegal, with notes on Sir. R. Cowan, Major Gen. Sir. R. R. Gillespie, 1769 - 1963.

Format:    Manuscript
Subjects:    
Cowan, Robert > Sir
Gillespie, family of
Gillespie, Robert Rollo > Sir
Stewart, family of
Stone, family of
Stone, Samuel
1769 > 1769
Manuscripts > Belfast
Ballylawn
Comber
Newtownards
Ireland > Ulster > Donegal
Ireland > Ulster > Down

Location
Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, D. 1613
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 22 June 17 18:48 BST (UK)

Pedigree of the Reid family, Drumgaw, Co. Antrim, c.1760-1954; pedigree of the Deacon and Dobbin families, Altaturk and Tirnascobe, Co. Armagh, c.1655-1940; typescript volume containing correspondence, genealogical notes, etc., relating to the Reid, Deacon, Dobbin, Wilson and Kirkpatrick families, with a note on Sir Robert Rollo Gillespie of Comber, Co. Down, c.1760-1913.
Format:    Manuscript
Subjects:    
Deacon, family of
Dobbin, family of
Gillespie, Robert Rollo > Sir
Kirkpatrick, family of
Manuscripts > Belfast


Location
Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, T.2466
Other
Photocopies The National Library of Ireland holds a copy (Photocopies).
Title: Re: Family of Sir Rollo GILLESPIE
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 22 June 17 18:50 BST (UK)
 Pedigree of the Gillespie family, Longfield, Co. Londonderry, 1760 - c.1920.
Format:    Manuscript
Subjects:    
Gillespie, family of

Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, T. 2317
Other
photocopy The National Library of Ireland holds a copy (Photocopy).
Title: Re: i
Post by: pani on Sunday 07 April 19 11:19 BST (UK)
New to the forum, apology if this does not comply to this discussion.

As an aside .  I gather from my Nepalese contacts that money is available to restore or replace the memorials about the Battle of Khalunga, restoration of the generals grave etc and the creation of gardens associated with the memorials . It includes a reconstruction of the Fort   Now I always remember a photo or picture of the fort from my early years ,and Dad tell me what it was, but I don't have the  info to access on this side of things.( YES I WAS STITCHED UP OVER INHERITANCE) Now has anyone seen a picture of the fort in contemporary press or later, because the Archaeological service want this information? Anything gratefully received.

Hi Rowlie,

My wife (6th generation) and in-laws (5th) are the descendent of Balbhadra ("Bulbudder" in plaque at the Nalapani Fort), who was the commander of the Gorkhas at the Battle of Khalunga. It would be interesting to know if there are any information to share from these two sides. Anything gratefully received. Pani