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Moody.
James Moody born 23 Aug 1892 Address Lenamore Parish Bellarena (Birth Certificate)
James Moody and Lizzie Querns
Grandfather and Grandmother married 12 nov 1913
Presbyterian Church Magilligan married by the Rev Hugh Butler.
James Moody and Mary Mc Colgan
Great Grandparents
Married Church of Ireland 27th July 1890
Address given Lenamore Tamlaghtard James Moody
Address given Carrowclare Tamlaghtfinlagan Mary Mc Colgan
William Moody
Great Great Grandfather occupation Farmer. ( His name was on the marriage certificate of his son )
I would love to know the names of my Grandfathers brothers, also which year his father died, and where he would be buried. Any other information would be a bonus. I couldn't find them on the 1911 census. Thank you.
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Welcome to Rootschat. Strangely enough this is the only Moody I can find in Lenamore townland at the moment-
PRONI (www.proni.gov.uk) has this a Will - "Probate of the Will of John Moody late of Lenamore County Londonderry Farmer who died 3 November 1916 granted at Londonderry to John Fleming Farmer."
Matching death in civil index- John Alexander Moody (age 81) Oct./Dec.1916 Limavady registration district. volume 1 page 423
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=collectionDetails
Here's John Moody in 1911 census in Lenamore townland-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Bellarena/Lenamore/594295/
Unfortunately he's a widower so we can't find wife's name from that but 1901 census will soon be added to the National Archives website.
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I have the following:
Solomon Moody of Lenamore died 30th April 1892 aged 60, described as labourer and bachelor.
John Alexander Moody 1836 - ? Lenamore married Hannah Gallenaugh
Robert Moody bapt at Lenamore 3 April 1839
William Moody 1842-? of Lenamore
William Moody of Lenamore m Mary Anne Lafferty nee Hopkins 1801-88
I don't know how these people fit in with your family. There were a lot of Moodys in Magilligan
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I'm not related to the Moodys- I just posted some information for you. It looks as though the John Moody I found is the John Alexander Moody in your latest post.
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Thank you Aghadowey and Cyclamen. It's a hard decision which person to choose . The John Moody from Lenamore looks like a possibility . His age 75 could tie in with my GG Grandfather maybe a brother or cousin.
Does anyone know which Church of Ireland my G Grandparents would have been married in?. It was a mixed marriage. Does the Church of Ireland keep records
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Hi my computer sent the message before I was finished writing.
The William Moody 1842 with a question mark could be my GG Grandfather. Do you know where this information came from? Thank you.
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Hi,
Your G grandparents, James Moody and Mary McColgan were married in Tamlaghtard Church of Ireland. This is the parish church of Magilligan.
Regards
Added Just noticed that my source gives your Grandmother's name as Elizabeth QUINN.
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Most of the early Lenamore Moodys were Presbyterians and belonged to Magilligan Pres Church.
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Hi Kingskerswell,
That's fantastic information knowing the name of the church. I was wondering if the church would have a record of my G Grandfathers burial?. He was married in 1890 CI and I know my grandfather was quite young when his father died, but I don't have a deceased date. If I could get his death certificate I would be able to find out the name of his mother my GG Grandmother.
My Grandmother Moody, her maiden name is definitely Querns. It's an unusual name , and I have a copy of the original Marriage Certificate. My Grandmother passed away when I was 35. The 1911 census spells it Querins and she was from Dungiven. Thanks again.
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Not sure about Magilligan but most Presbyterian churches did not keep burial records. Also, many Presbyterian families have plots in Parish (Church of Ireland) burial ground.
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Hi,
Today I checked the gravestones in both Magilligan Presbyterian church and in Magilligan (Tamlaghtard) Church of Ireland and was surprised to find that there were no Moody graves marked. The graveyards are fairly small so it is unlikely that I missed any. I remember finding a Moody grave in St. Aidans Roman Catholic Church (see posting on 27 Jul 09). It was another Protestant Moody family but but made me wonder if there might be more. However I noticed that the Moodys of Lenamore were fairly small farmers in 1858 Griffiths so possibly did not have headstones.
Regards
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Most of my information has come from the Magilligan Pres Church records.
A little more information.
William Moody who married Mary Anne Lafferty. He married 15 Jan 1841. The marriage was reported in the Belfast Newsletter. Mary Ann died 22nd April 1888, aged 87 and was described as farmer's wife, of Lenamore on her death certificate. In my notes I have written that he was probably alive in 1888 as Mary Ann is not described as a widow on her death certificate.
The other William Moody was born 5th May and bapt at Lenamore 16th June 1842. This is POSSIBLY the same William who was married to Mary Peebles. They had a daughter Margaret Anne who was born 8th January 1873 and baptised 12th Jany Lenamore.
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William Moody who married Mary Anne Lafferty. He married 15 Jan 1841. The marriage was reported in the Belfast Newsletter. Mary Ann died 22nd April 1888, aged 87 and was described as farmer's wife, of Lenamore on her death certificate. In my notes I have written that he was probably alive in 1888 as Mary Ann is not described as a widow on her death certificate.
Are you sure the marriage is the same Mary Ann as the 1888 death? Age at death gets borthdate of c1801 which would make from about 40 at time of that marriage. Not impossible, of course, but suspect, especially if many children were born after 1841.
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I checked my notes:
In Pres records Mary Anne Lafferty was described as the widow of the late William Lafferty (who was drowned on the slobs of Magilligan Strand with Robert Moody about two years before) and she was married 15th Jan 1841.
I have just noticed William is described as the son of widow Anne Moody.
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Hi Kingskerswell,
Thank you very much for looking in the cemetery, that was very kind of you. My sister and I were visiting Magilligan last September and we also looked in the Presbyterian Cemetery and couldn't find any Moody headstones. Would there be records kept for the St Aidens Cemetery. In the late 1800's what was the procedure for announcing a death in the family, did they put it in a local newspaper? Thanks again for all your help.
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Hi Cyclamen, I was wondering if any of these William Moody's had a son called James?. Does an Irish Death Certificate give the maiden name of the mother?
Thank you very much for this information.
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Hi Aghadowey & Cyclamen,
Thank you for your intriguing conversation, I was beginning to think that I was going to learn of some scandal in our family. Was the widow Anne who had the child William also from Lenamore? Thanks again.
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Irish death certificates do not list names of either parent- see here for details of death certificates and other records-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html
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Hi green oak,
From the Magilligan Pres records
Married Entry No 73
at my house 26th Nov AD 1832 John Moody son of widow Anne Moody Lenamore Margaret Pherson Daughter of Margaret McColgan Ballywillen
Entry 231 25th Sept 1833 James Moody, son of John Moody of Lenamore Junior and of Pherson, Ballymul........
Entry 268 At Lenamore on the 4th March 1836 born 20 February 1836 John Alexander Moody, son of John Moody junior of Lenamore and of Margaret Pherson, Ballymullinvina
Entry 322 Robert Moody, son of John Moody, Lenamore, baptised that evening of Wednesday 3rd April 1839. Child born on 25th day in March 1839. The mother Elizbeth [sic] Pherson after a Lecture in the presence of the family, his mother's family and James Allan, John Allan and Solomon Moody etc (I didn't record the rest)
Entry 382
William Moody, son of John Moody, small farmer of Lenamore and Margaret Pherson Ballymul?, was born Thursday 5th day of May 1842 and baptised 16th day of June 1842 in his father's house Lenamore. At the lecture were the family of John Moody, his mother Ann Moody also John Kane elder and Margaret Ann Aull
Hope this helps.
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Hi Cyclamen,
I think maybe you have hit the jackpot here. I'm overwhelmed with all these connections. Wouldn't it be uncanny if Margaret Pherson's mother was related to my Great Grandfather's wife my Great Grandmother. The information entry 382 William son of John, I noticed the name Margaret Anne Aull. My Great Grandfathers Best Man was called Joseph Aull on his marriage certificate. Now I have to find out whom William married to see if that is my G Grandfather's James's mother. Also the birthdate of my G Grandfather James. Entry 231 It sounds as if John Moody of Lenamore was a junior, so it sounds as if my GGGGG Grandfather's name was John also. Thank you so much Cyclamen.
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In Ulster 'junior' does not always mean 'son of [same name]' - it can refer to a younger person in the family or even community with the same name and 'junior' and 'senior' used to identify them.
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Hi Aghadowey, Thanks for that information, I'm learning everyday about the meaning of words, in the tracing of your ancestors. Thanks again.
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Hi green oak,
I found this -
William Moody married Mary Kealey. Bellarena R.C. Church, Magilligan, Newtownlimavady on 28 Dec 1897. Possibly another member of the Lenamore family.
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Hi,
Name James Moody. (Married 1890) If William is the Father D.O.B 5th May1842
I'm looking for his D.O.B. also his Death Date. His fathers name William Moody Farmer Lenamore. I can see both names on the Griffiths Valuation Records but I'm unable to open them. James was married on the 27th July 1890 Church of Ireland. I think he would have been Baptized in the Presbyterian Church. The information from Cyclamen, entry #382 from the Magilligan Pres Records William Moody, I think is the correct William but I'm unable to confirm. I have opened most of D.O.B under James in IFHF files to no avail. I'm doing this from Canada. Any tips would be greatly appreciated in finding them. Thank you.
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Hello,
I don't know if there is anything to any of what I am about to say, but when I saw you mentioned that you were in Canada and searching for Moody's, that caught my attention. My father matches Ydna to another Moody family in the Annapolis/Kings Co. area of Nova Scotia. Both of our lines come to a brick wall at a James Moody b.c1745 to c1756 (their's being the latter one of the two). Their line ties to a James MOODY who married Sarah BAKER (Kalneck's book on the History of Annapolis), and also from the MacDonald Museum's records (they conducted a search for me and sent me the records they had for this couple, including all of the children's names, births etc.). The next "researchable" person from their line was a Thomas MOODY b.c1808 who married Eleanor PHINNEY. There is tons of info about them on line at Rootsweb.
What is more interesting is that another of our Ydna Moody lines (the ones from Magilligan, Co. L'derry, Nor. Ireland...from the Alexander Moody and Priscilla DICK line of Lenamore/Magilligan area whose sons were John Moody who married Mary HOPKINS and Israel MOODY who married Elizabeth CASKEY/Caskie, also match Ydna to our line in Nova Scotia and to my 5th grt. grandfather James Moody b.c1746 who married Elizabeth DONALD (Donnell/Dunnell) in Buxton, York Co., Maine in Jan. 1774.
That all of these lines are now tied together via proven Genetics and solid documented genealogy from sources we can cite, just made me wonder if your MOODY line wouldn't match or tie into ours somewhere along the path as well.
I would love to know more about your Moody line too.
We have posted a ton of info to the Moody board at GenForum if you are interested.
Thanks so much
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Hello again GreenOak,
I just noticed from your initial posting on page 1 of this thread, that you mentioned your MOODY family attending the Presby. Church in Magilligan and that they were married by the Rev. Hugh BUTLER...well, as I mentioned in my earlier post to your post on page two of this thread, one of the branches of our Ydna MOODY cousins from Lenamore/Magilligan the Alexander MOODY and Priscilla DICK branch, their sons John and Israel MOODY...well, their son John's children's name I have copies of their Bible entries that were sent to me from an Ulster research company that I hired back in 2006. From those Bible records it mentions Rev. Hugh BUTLER's name and they even gave his last name (Butler) to one of their sons (John Moody and Mary Hopkins that is).
I have a very strong idea that your Moody's will and would tie into that particular branch of our Ydna family tree as well.
Thanks so much for sharing the info you did, while your family are many years after those I am searching for, its still great to see that up into the early 1900's the family still remained and continued on.
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Hello Cyclamen,
On your reply/post #13 from March 29th, you stated in your last sentence that William was a son of Ann MOODY.
Were you referring to the William LAFFERTY in which you were posting about in that thread or a previous William MOODY to whom there had been quite a bit of chat about?
Also, I was noticing from the postings you gave of the records of the Presbyterian Church at Magilligan that it appears as though John MOODY, Jr. farmer of Lenamore and his wife shown as either Margaret or Elizabeth PHERSON (MacPherson perhaps at one time??), may have been the same person.
Perhaps she was a Margaret Elizabeth PHERSON? and used both names at times?
The births of their children seem to fall into place in a chronological order: James MOODY b. Sept. 25, 1833 (was John's father's name "James"?) then we have John Alexander MOODY b. Feb. 20, 1836 son of John Moody, Jr. and Margaret Pherson
Then we have Robert MOODY b. March 25, 1839 son of John MOODY of Lenamore and Elizabeth PHERSON and a SOLOMON MOODY was in attendance which leads me to believe there is a link between this line and Debbie's family in Lenamore/Magilligan.
There there is William MOODY b. May 5, 1842 son of John Moody a farmer at Lenamore and Margaret PHERSON so this rules out a possibility that Margaret died and John married her sister since this is a later date.
These are just my observations of the data given.
I wonder too if the name shown as AULL could have been AULD or a form of it? My Dad has a close Ydna match to someone of the AULD surname. The AULD's are noted as having been in Ayrhshire, Scotland as far back as the 1200's.
Thanks for the info from the Church records.
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Hello again GreenOak,
I just noticed from your initial posting on page 1 of this thread, that you mentioned your MOODY family attending the Presby. Church in Magilligan and that they were married by the Rev. Hugh BUTLER...well, as I mentioned in my earlier post to your post on page two of this thread, one of the branches of our Ydna MOODY cousins from Lenamore/Magilligan the Alexander MOODY and Priscilla DICK branch, their sons John and Israel MOODY...well, their son John's children's name I have copies of their Bible entries that were sent to me from an Ulster research company that I hired back in 2006. From those Bible records it mentions Rev. Hugh BUTLER's name and they even gave his last name (Butler) to one of their sons (John Moody and Mary Hopkins that is).
I have a very strong idea that your Moody's will and would tie into that particular branch of our Ydna family tree as well.
Thanks so much for sharing the info you did, while your family are many years after those I am searching for, its still great to see that up into the early 1900's the family still remained and continued on.
Hi Nona Anon,
It amazes me how much is on the internet about the Moody Families. Thanks to everybody for sharing their history with the rest of us. I'm a new Canadian relatively speaking, I only came to Canada in 1965 and my homeland was Scotland. My Grandfather was from Magilligan Northern Ireland.
It looks as if our family had ties to one another in the 1800's. I've still got some more work to do to connect James Moody G Grandfather to William GG Grandfather. My immediate family still carry on the Moody name, so I'm hoping one of them will give their DNA, which might help us to connect the dots to tie us all together.
It was amazing to find Solomon at the Christening of Robert. Also looking at records of the farmers, it looks as if the Allans and John Kane were all neighbors of the Moody's.
On My Great Grandfathers marriage certificate the best man Joseph Aull, with the name spelled Aull. On the 1911 Census I noticed a few names with that spelling.
Rev Hugh Butler that married my Grandparents was the good old age of 87 years old. He retired 2 weeks before his 91st Birthday. Rev Hugh Butler Died at the age of 104 years old in 1930 .
Thank you for all the Moody information
GreenOak
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Hi GreenOak,
Perhaps our Moody lines will match up and hopefully some day you will find a male born Moody relative in your line willing to take the simple Ydna test to confirm our connections. Did you say some of your Moody family came to Canada from Scotland or just married into a family that moved there? Reason I ask is because perhaps your Moody's already knew they had family connections in Canada before they came.
As I said, we have a confirmed link to two lines of Moody's in Nova Scotia and one of them leads back to Alexander Moody and Priscilla DICK down to their son Israel MOODY. They were from Lenamore/Magilligan/Coleraine etc. areas in Co. L'derry.
The name of "Solomon" was used in their family tree a couple of times I do believe. Some of them removed to Australia where we have other "genetic cousins" as well.
What part of Scotland were your family from and did they always spell their last name as Moody or was it MOODIE or MUDIE?
Take care and thank you so much for any info.
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Hi GreenOak,
Perhaps our Moody lines will match up and hopefully some day you will find a male born Moody relative in your line willing to take the simple Ydna test to confirm our connections. Did you say some of your Moody family came to Canada from Scotland or just married into a family that moved there? Reason I ask is because perhaps your Moody's already knew they had family connections in Canada before they came.
As I said, we have a confirmed link to two lines of Moody's in Nova Scotia and one of them leads back to Alexander Moody and Priscilla DICK down to their son Israel MOODY. They were from Lenamore/Magilligan/Coleraine etc. areas in Co. L'derry.
The name of "Solomon" was used in their family tree a couple of times I do believe. Some of them removed to Australia where we have other "genetic cousins" as well.
What part of Scotland were your family from and did they always spell their last name as Moody or was it MOODIE or MUDIE?
Take care and thank you so much for any info.
Hi Nona Anon,
I'm sure one of the males in my family will take the DNA test. I'm interested myself to find out which branch of the Moody's that I'm related to. I find it very fascinating. Most likely because I enjoy history.
My fathers sisters moved to Canada in the 1950's from Greenock Scotland. I was quite unaware of having relatives that had moved to Canada and the USA earlier in the 18th Century. My Grandfather moved to Greenock Scotland, to work in the shipbuilding trade in 1913 after he married in Magilligan Northern Ireland.
Nono Anon, Do you have any knowledge of Alexander Moody having any brothers? That might help connecting to the son John Moody that was married in 1832. His mothers name was Anne and she was a widow in 1832.
We only ever spelled our name as Moody, and we were quite indignant in emphasizing the Y, we would never allow anyone to spell it with an (ie). Now that I think of it , I don't know the reason why.
You mentioned the name Auld, we had Aulds in our home town of Greenock and they owned the Bakery. I think they came from the town of Largs Ayrshire a very pretty little town.
Thanks again
GreenOak
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REPLY to me from PREV. page from -GreenOak-
"I'm sure one of the males in my family will take the DNA test. I'm interested myself to find out which branch of the Moody's that I'm related to. I find it very fascinating. Most likely because I enjoy history.
My fathers sisters moved to Canada in the 1950's from Greenock Scotland. I was quite unaware of having relatives that had moved to Canada and the USA earlier in the 18th Century. My Grandfather moved to Greenock Scotland, to work in the shipbuilding trade in 1913 after he married in Magilligan Northern Ireland.
Nono Anon, Do you have any knowledge of Alexander Moody having any brothers? That might help connecting to the son John Moody that was married in 1832. His mothers name was Anne and she was a widow in 1832.
We only ever spelled our name as Moody, and we were quite indignant in emphasizing the Y, we would never allow anyone to spell it with an (ie). Now that I think of it , I don't know the reason why."
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Hello again GreenOak
Thank you for the info you provided. I do hope you will connect to our Moody's(no matter the spelling). I must say that all of our Ydna Moody's all have their name spelled as Moody. We did however find in the Ballykelly Presbyterian church records of Co. L'derry dated back to the very late 1600's and very early 1700's, the names of Alexander MUDIE of "Malogon" or something like that, that was later shown to be a bad spelling of Magilligan, as there also appears in these same records the names of Joseph, Robert and Edward MUDIE all of Magilligan. They were having their children baptized there. Alexander MUDIE's daughter Margaret was being baptized there in 1700 I think it was.
That these Mudie's/Moodie's/Moody's were in Magilligan as early as that, seems likely that they are linked to our Ydna cousin's line of Alexander Moody since the name is the same and since the names of Joseph and Robert are also found within their family line.
I do wish I could be of more help to you with the John MOODY who was married in 1832 and whose Mother was the widow Anne MOODY. Ann[e] might have been a middle name for her too which would make finding her a bit more difficult in the records.
Do keep in touch and let us know if you choose to do the Ydna test. We already have a MOODY surname Project going through FTDNA and if you join up through them I believe you can get a discount. Our group Admin. Bob Moody is very helpful and nice.
We have links on the Moody board about it all.
Take care
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Hi Aghadowey,
On the 1911 Census I found my Grandmothers Family in Dungiven. My question, does the Residents of house # 136 Main St Dungiven Londonderry, actually mean this is the house number, and not the census number?. I want to record the correct information. It looks as if it is the house number, but I would like your opinion on this subject.
Thank you
Green Oak
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As far as I know, Main St. Dungiven did not have house numbers at that time. You haven't mentioned the suirname (and there are 650 people listed under Main St.) but if you look up the family in the census, then under Household Form A (the scanned image that shows the household members) click on Additional Pages to check if there is an actual street number.
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Hi,
Aghadowey is correct. In your case the house number 136 Main is actually in New Street!!
Regards
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Hi Aghadowey & Kingskerswell,
If you Google: 1911 census 136 main Street Dungiven Londonderry my Grandmothers information comes up. For some reason it cannot be copied and used. The surname is Querins, not the correct way of spelling it, but I know it's my family.
I'm almost sure it is the house number, but not 100% . At the top of the form, if you click on Dungiven , it gives the numbers of Main St., in numerical order. I couldn't find this information by searching the actual 1911 census.
In 2010 if you visited 136 Main St Dungiven, do you think you would be at the right address where my Greatgrandmother resided?
Thank you for your help.
Green Oak
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There were NO street numbers in Dungiven in 1911. If you check the census page I pointed ouit earlier it will confirm what kingkerswell has already said- the Querins family were living at NEW STREET in 1911 so going to 136 Main St. in Dungiven now would not be the correct house.
Added- here's the page you need to look at-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002821158/
If you look at GoogleMaps for "new st, dungiven" you will see that New Street crosses Main St.
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Green Oak,
You say " the surname is Querins, not the correct way of spelling it, but I know it is my family."
Querins is an unusual name and I can find few references to it but I notice that in the Griffith Valuation (1858 for the Dungiven area) there is a Jane Querins, renting a house and garden in the townland of Derryork which is about a mile north of Dungiven. There is also a Mary Jane Querins who married in Bovevagh Presbyterian Church in 1908. This church is also about one mile north of Dungiven.
How do you know that the Dungiven family is not the correct spelling and is your family?
Regards
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Hi Kingskerswell,
Thank you for your help. The correct way of spelling my Grandmothers name, was Querns. When you pronounce the name, I can see the reason it was misspelled in 1911.
I recognized my Grandmothers brothers names, also my Grandmothers name, whom I knew personally. Her fathers name was John, and I found his name on my Grandparents marriage certificate. I've never heard of the niece that was on the census Mary Elizabeth Querins (Querns)
When you mentioned New Street, I thought you were referring to the new numbers on the current Main St. Which I visited last year. I guess they couldn't think of a new name for the street, and called it New Street.
My Gt Grandmother, her name was Mary and I see Mary Jane with the spelling Querins, I think they will all be connected. I've never heard of another family
with the name Querns. Maybe through time it changed to Cairns.
Thank for all your help.
Green Oak
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Hi Aghadowey,
It is quite deceiving when you look at the print out I have. At the top of the page it states. ( Residents of house number 136 in Main Street (Dungiven Londonderry) Then it shows my Grandmothers family.
Thanks to you guys I now know the family lived in New St, Dungiven. Do you know where I would get the correct number for their house? The form just stated New Street without a number. And the link you kindly sent me, my computer would not open any other pages.
This is a far out question, my Grandmother worked in Coleraine in a big Dept Store. Would you know the name of a Department Store in 1912-13?. It was a relative of my Grandmothers family.
Thanks for all your help.
Green Oak.
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There was no house number for New Street in 1911- most streets in small towns/villages at that period didn't have house numbers.
There were lots of shops in Coleraine at that period but not sure what she would have considered a 'big Dept. Store.' 1910 Coleraine directory is online- see p.3 for shopkeepers:
www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Coleraine.php
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Hi ,
I'm looking for an old map 1890's, that would show me the exact spot where Lenamore Tamlaghtard was, also including the following places. Magilligan Presbyterian Church, Tamlaghtard Irish Church, also Carrowclare Tamlaghtfinlagan. Today 2010, the new name that has replaced Lenamore.
Much obliged
Green Oak
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Green Oaks,
I am unsure if we can make this work but if you go to Google Maps and enter Ballyscullion, United Kingdom the map should pinpoint Ballyscullion on the Seacoast Road. Just above Ballyscullion there is a dot marked PaC and a lane running west towards the sea. That lane is in the townland of Lenamore as it is still called. Just to the north of this there is a short lane and a much longer lane. Magilligan Presbyterian Church is situated on the Seacoast road between these two lanes.
From Ballyscullion there is a road running east called Limestone Road which meets Duncrun Road. Just north of this junction is Tamlaghtarde Church of Ireland.
If you now pan south, keeping the sea in sight to the west you will come to a point where Carrowclare Road meets Shore Avenue. This junction is in the townland of Carrowclare.
Hope it works.
Regards
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Although we have road names for our postal addresses townlands still exist and most have remained virtually unchanged for generations (bearing in mind spelling variations).
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Hi Kingskerwell,
Thank you for the Google Map directions, they worked superbly. I found everything that I asked for. Also managed to see the Church of Ireland with the little icon that takes you to some of the sites. For some reason I couldn't get Google Earth to work in the area of Magilligan, It worked for the Castlerock area.
http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation
I was wondering if you could check this website above to see if what I think is correct.
Name- Moody, County-Londonderry, Barony-Keenaught, Union Newtownlimavady. Parish- Tamlaghtard or Magilligan.
I was wondering if the children of Lenamore would have gone to school in MARGYMONAGHAN in the 1800's? Also attended the Presbyterian meeting house in MARGYMONAGHAN? I noticed that Rev Samuel Butler lived in MARGYMONAGHAN. Also if you could give me any hints of checking the land. I was looking for Lenamore Map #6, 8, 9, 9a, 9b, It's quite difficult to check when you don't have your bearings. Maybe a point of interest to point me in the right direction.
The school and the meeting house , have they been demolished?
Much obliged
Green Oak
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Green Oak,
The website you mention is the best one I have found for studying the Griffith's Valuation as it gives the actual Griffiths page and the associated map, although tonight I had a bit of bother getting the map to enlarge. The sites, #6, 8, 9, are all Moody families as well as 4a and b which were held by Solomon Moody. 9a and b were sublet by James Moody, possibly to his farm labourers.
Margymonaghan is the townland immediately north of Lenamore and it contains the Presbyterian Meeting House/ Church and the school. If the Moodys attended the church it is highly likely that the children would have attended this school as they appear together. The school may have been the old church hall although both have now been greatly enlarged, the upgraded church supposedly having been built around the old church which was still in use and when completed the walls of the old church were taken down.
The term Meetinghouse used for Presbyterian churches developed from the time in the 1700s when there were few presbyterian churches and presbyterians used to meet in one anothers houses to hear an itinerant preacher or the preacher from a remote church who occassionally visited to conduct services.
If you are interested I can give you more detail on Magilligan Presbyterian church and the Rev Samuel Butler and his nephew the Rev Hugh Butler.
Regards
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William Quigley married Margaret Ann Moody 31 Dec 1866 in Londonderry Civil Registrars Office. It seems to have been a mixed marriage.
From Magilligan R.C. records :
Sarah baptised 26th Jan 1867 Father Wm Quigley and mother Mary A Moody , Margymonaghan. Witnesses Mrs George Quigley and Edwin McCallion
John baptised 9th May 1869 Same parents
Robert baptised ???? Same parents (a note next to this entry in the records Robert Q married to Mary McGurk 13th Jan 1920)
Margaret Ann shows up in a Magilligan Pres Church visiting book 5th May 1920 as Margaret Ann (Moody) Quigley and was visited on a number of occasions by the minister. Last entry was Fri 16/5/24.
The Quigley family was living at Margymonaghan in the 1911 Census . Margaret Ann’s religion listed as Presbyterian.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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Hi Cyclamen,
AND THE PLOT THICKENS.
I checked the Marriage License, and I noticed that Margaret Ann's father was named John Moody. Margaret Anne Married 31st Dec 1866 Age 22 Born likely 1844. Did John Moody that married Margaret Pherson have a daughter, after William was born in 1842?. If that is the case, Margaret Ann would have been Williams sister. My GG Grandfather
I recall visiting a Quigley family in Coleraine in the late 40's or early 50's. I think the daughter or granddaughter was called Maureen.
Thanks Cyclamen
Green Oak
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Hi,
What was the legal age for two people marrying in the 1800's?.
If they married without the consent of their parents, what age would they have to be?
Thank you
Green Oak.
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Hi,
Does anyone know if it's possible to acquire the Magilligan Presbyterian Records online in Canada. I did email Proni and they have not responded as of today.
Thanks Green oak.
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The marriage certificate that I downloaded from the Irish Family history site of my Grt Grandfather James Moody, married Mary Mccolgan
27th July 1890 in Tamlaghtard Church of Ireland Magilligan.
On his marriage certificate it states his father as William. I cannot find a marriage or death date for William, nor a birth date for James.
I am hoping that someone will help to verify the name William on the original Marriage Certificate from the Church of Ireland records.
Maybe they transposed the wrong first name. The William that appears on the marriage certificate to be the father was born 5th of May
1842 in Lenamore Magilligan( Presbyterian). William appears on the Griffiths Valuation records 1862/1897
In the 1901 Census it shows my Grandfather James (born 1892 Lenamore to James and Mary) with a father James living in Drumavally.
My Grandfather aged 8 and James as the father aged 66. James would have been born in 1833 and a brother to William born 1842.
The James on the 1901 census showing as aged 66 his fathers name was John. I'm hoping there was an error with the age on the census.
I hope it's not too confusing.
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i live in lenamore house in the townland of lenamore. my family has farmed here since the late 18th century the moodys farm was situated at the top of our lane. we have rented mrs moodys field for the last 40 years. lenamore townland is on the right hand side of the road as you pass the spar in magilligan haeding towards limavady. the old moodys farm in the first house down a concrete lane on the right before you come to the estate of carrige court and drumavalley.
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Hi stmccmagilligan,
Thank you so very much for this information. I live in Canada and I visited Magilligan Presbyterian Church Cemetery last year. I thought all I had to do was nip into the Cemetery and copy down all the names and dates on the headstones, and lo and behold our family was too poor to have headstones. I wish I had known at that time, that my ancestors had lived in Lenamore. I regret not knowing this. All I knew was that my Grandfather came from Magilligan. I have learned so much about my family from cyclamen, Aghadowey, and Kingskerswell all from Roots chat.com (Thank you)
I guess our families have been neighbours for the last 300+ years it's amazing. You said that Mrs Moody rented out her farm to you for the last 40 years. Are there still a few Moody's living in Lenamore? I've been trying to find information on William Moody born 1842, I think he was my Grt Grt Grandfather. Do you know where the Moody's would have been buried in the early 1800's & 1900's?.
I'm looking at Griffiths Valuation 1847-1864 it has Solomon Moody #4a, William#6, John #8, and James #9 stmccmagilligan would it be possible to ask someone in the Moody family from which brother they descend from.
stmccmagilligan I think you have to post on here 3 time before you can email me privately, I would love to hear from you all about Lenamore and it's people.
Thank you
Green Oak
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Your family farm is still there on my lane. it is now owned by * and *. they have 3 fields which we rent and then the other * which i was talking about owns the upper field at the top of the lane. this * is in a old peoples home and the last of the *. * have twin boys one of which has married and built a bunglow beside his fathers small farm.
in the census reports in 1901 and 1911 they were presbyterians however this family is now catholic do you no how come. i will go up and have a chat with them.
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drumavally is a townland next door to lenamore, the shucks and drains form the different borders. they run in lines down to the lough. there was a shuck which went down the side of our lane which was the border, this shuck is no longer there, opposite the old moodys farm another smaller farm house used to stand. this was a ruin when i was we and is now two modern bunglows. this was also moodys and the field behind was give at one point and is still the catholic churches.
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Hi Kingskerswell
I am of the Moody's who are from Lenamore Magilligan, and who use to be under the care of the Rev Samuel Butler and would like to have more info on him and his son and the Church please if you can help
I have also read that the Magilligan church has a picture of Rev Samuel Butler do you know if someone can help me get a photo of him
There was also Moody children named after him so it would be nice to see what he looks like.
thank you for your help
you can email me off site if you wish
Flicka
Green Oak,
The website you mention is the best one I have found for studying the Griffith's Valuation as it gives the actual Griffiths page and the associated map, although tonight I had a bit of bother getting the map to enlarge. The sites, #6, 8, 9, are all Moody families as well as 4a and b which were held by Solomon Moody. 9a and b were sublet by James Moody, possibly to his farm labourers.
Margymonaghan is the townland immediately north of Lenamore and it contains the Presbyterian Meeting House/ Church and the school. If the Moodys attended the church it is highly likely that the children would have attended this school as they appear together. The school may have been the old church hall although both have now been greatly enlarged, the upgraded church supposedly having been built around the old church which was still in use and when completed the walls of the old church were taken down.
The term Meetinghouse used for Presbyterian churches developed from the time in the 1700s when there were few presbyterian churches and presbyterians used to meet in one anothers houses to hear an itinerant preacher or the preacher from a remote church who occassionally visited to conduct services.
If you are interested I can give you more detail on Magilligan Presbyterian church and the Rev Samuel Butler and his nephew the Rev Hugh Butler.
Regards
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Flicka,
I will send you a PM later this evening with more detail.
Regards
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Looking for some help in finding information from a newspaper in 1839? The information that I have, Mary Anne Hopkins married William Lafferty Roman Catholic... William Lafferty drowned 1839? with his friend Robert Moody on the slobs of Magilligan Strand... Widow Mary Anne Lafferty re-married William Moody from Lenamore 15th Jan 1841 Presbyterian Church Magilligan.
Questions.
1. I was wondering if Mary Anne Hopkins and William Lafferty had any children together?. If the newspaper mentioned the drownings, or if in the obituaries when William Lafferty was drowned, that he left behind some children. Mary Anne died April 22nd 1888 age 87, most likely born 1801.
2. Did Mary Anne have any children with William Moody?. She would have been aged 40 when she
(re-married) married William Moody in 1841.
Much obliged.
Green Oak
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Hi Greenoak
I was looking through this thread and found with interest your postings on the Querins family.
In my tree I have a Mary Anne Querins who was born in 1871 who married Robert James McClean in 1887 in Coleraine. Her father was listed as Alexander Querins who died before there marriage date.
As its an unusal name, I was wondering if there was a connection? Unable to locate any more details on the family in Ireland at all apart from your relatives in the 1911 census!
Thanks
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Hi Wholejobs,
I have not started with the research of my Grandmother's side, Querns. I did know my Grandmother personally and she was born in Dungiven around 1887.They moved to Greenock Scotland and her brother Alex , I think he lived in Port Glasgow, and from family stories he was an exceptionally tall man over 6ft, which was very tall in those days.
Here are some of the spellings for the 1901 census, Querns , Quarins, Quiarns, 1911 census Quern, Querins , I also notice a McQuern or it was McQuerns. In the 1901 census my family have the spelling of Quiarns also Querins in 1911, it also states Main St and I found out the name was New Street in Dungiven. There was also a discrepancy with the age, my Great Grandmother went from age 40 to 70 in ten years.
I did find an Alexander Quern age 38 at Old Park (Part of ) Clifton Ward Belfast Antrim. in the 1901 census. I noticed the spelling of McClean, maybe that should be spelled as McLean. I was also thinking maybe some of the Querns changed their names to Cairn or Cairns, lots of Coleraine people with that spelling.
Wholejobs, when I find out more information of my Grandmothers side, I will let you know.
Take care
Green Oak
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Regarding the marriage of James Moody and Mary McColgan, my great-grandfather, John McColgan was Mary's older brother. They had two sons, Patrick, who died in Chicago in 1921, and apparently had no children. The other, James, was married in Magilligan in 1913; I lost track of him after that.