Edward Heneage Coltman

[loak]

Sorry forgot to add that the marriage in 1802 could possibly be for the son Joseph. That would fit into the time frame i think.

[Toban]

Lyn, I think it's highly likely that Joseph is the brother of Edward.

Joseph Coltman was born in Feb and baptised 17 Mar 1777 at St. Alphege, Greenwich to Joseph & Susanna. Joseph senior's occupation is given as ironmonger, which is not the same as on Edward & Robert's later baptisms, but he may have moved into more clerical duties within the same industry (as complete occupational changes were quite rare back then) later on.

Joseph married Susannah Sellers (as mentioned above) on 18 Jul 1802 at St. Alphege. Joseph and Susannah were both literate, signing their names. Joseph was of Greenwich and Susannah of 'the Hamlett of Blackwell in the county of Middlesex'. Both single. Witnesses were George Gerrard and W. Sellers.

Susannah died at some point in the next two years. There is a Susannah Coltman buried 19 Aug 1802 in the registers of St. Dustan and All Saints, Stepney. It states she was of Poplar and died at Poplar, so this may (or may not) be her.

Then Joseph Coltman, widower of Greenwich, married Elizabeth Thompson, spinster of Greenwich, on 23 Feb 1804 at St. Alphege. Their witnesses were Jonas Thompson and George Edwards. All parties signed their names.

A son, Joseph Jonah Coltman, was born 10 Dec 1804 and baptised at St. Alphege 10 Jan 1805. Joseph's occupation was given as 'clerk'. Joseph Jonas went on to marry a lady called Eliza and have serval children in the Tower Hamlets district.

Joseph died 25 Sep 1839 and Elizabeth 23 Dec 1847, and their burials (original register have the date of death recorded as well as that of burial) as per details provided by Trish above. (Slight amendment to Trish's info - the abode of Susannah should be Jubilee Alms House, not Jubilee Arms.)

[Toban]

Not sure if you have Edward's burial:

St. Alphege, Greenwich, 9 Jan 1850. Died 31 Dec 1849, age 70. Abode was "Phoenix Vale, Blackheath, late of Trafalgar Road"

Also:
5 Jun 1805, Joseph Coltman, a Clerk, buried (this will be his father)

[loak]

Thanks Tobin, on the first Joseph Coltman born 1770 Joseph snr is a collegeman...not sure what this is. I have been totally confused with all the Joseph Coltmans ...Jonas... Jonah and couldn't work out how they all fitted especially with Poplar.

[loak]

I also have a James Coltman who was born in Greenwich in1786. I cannot find a baptism for him. In Edwards will he is named as his brother. He married Elizabeth Parker (who i believe may be the sister of Mary Parker, that was married to Edward) in Barkby at the same time as Edwards marriage. In  the 1841 and 1851 census he is living in Leicestershire.Such a confusing family.

[Toban]

I think the Jonas/Jonah name comes from Elizabeth Thompson's family, as one of the witnesses to their marriage was a Jonas Thompson. Possibly a brother or her father.

I don't know about the Poplar burial, but it's the only Susanna Coltman I could find. Poplar is just across the Thames from Greenwich, so it's no too much of a distance to be away from home. Perhaps Joseph and Susanna decided to move across the river, but with Susanna's death, Joseph decided to go back to Greenwich?

From a bit of Googling, 'collegeman' seems to refer to someone who was resident at Greenwich Hospital - perhaps Joseph had some naval background? If this is the case, then Joseph was likely injured or took seriously ill while in the Navy and was invalided out to carry on a civilian career, seemingly ironmongering and doing clerical things. Something to think about...

The Coltman name seems fairly popular in Leicestershire, so I wouldn't be surprised if your Coltmans came from there and maintained some connection, which is why some went back and married there. In fact, there is a Joseph Coltman baptised on 8 Sep 1749 at the Independent Chapel in Lutterworth (which is about 20-25 miles south of Barkby & Thurmaston), which may be your guy. For your information, he was the son of John Coltman of Westhorp. Westhorpe is about 10 miles east of Lutterworth, but this John Coltman spent most of his time in Withybrook (this is where all his address is at the baptisms of all his other children), about the same distance the other way (west)

[Toban]

As for James, he was born in 1782, between Edward and Robert.

Baptism on 17 Feb 1782 at St. Alphege, Greenwich:
James son of Joseph Coltman, a Clerk, and Susanna - Feby 1st [born]

1852 - July 24; The Leicester Chronicle
DEATHS
On the 9th instant, at Thurmaston, aged 70, Mr. James Coltman, late of the Old Plough Inn, in that place, much respected.

[Toban]

Add some flesh to the bones of Jim Coltman:

1832 - September 22; The Leicester Chronicle
A man lately in the service of Mr. Coltman, of the Plough Inn, Thurmaston, has been committed for trial, charged with stealing a box containing £19 11s. 4d. belonging to a female club held at the Plough. Ten pounds have been recovered from a girl at Great Wigton, in whose possession he had placed the amount.

1837 - December 9; The Leicester Chronicle
ROBBERIES AT THURMASTON
On the preceding Friday [of Sunday week], four fowls were stolen from the premises of Mr. Coltman, of the Plough public house, and twenty-five from the premises of another inhabitant of Thurmaston, who had missed thirty not many days before.

1839 - July 13; The Leicester Chronicle
MARRIAGES
On the 4th inst., at Thurmaston, by the Rev. E. H. Hoare, Mr. Thomas Stevens, of the Crown and Magpie, Gallowtree-gate, in this town, to Caroline Salisbury, only daughter of Mr. Coltman, Plough Inn, in the former place.

1840 - January 4; The Leicester Chronicle
LOCAL NEWS
James Coltman, landlord of the Black Horse, Thurmaston, appeared, on the information of Moses S. Pegg, to answer a complaint of keeping a riotous and disorderly house. From the evidence adduced on the part of the complainant it appeared, Coltman’s house was the resort of disreputable character at all hours - that rioting and drunkenness were permitted there to a considerable extent - and that railway labourers, in order to get money for drink, were in the habit of raising it upon the bread which they sometimes got as part of their wages. Evidence of these facts was gone into, and the Bench, conceiving the charge proved, fined Coltman £5.

1842 - November 12; The Leicester Chronicle
THURMASTON - Between the hours of twelve and six o’clock on the 8th inst., the dwelling-house of Mr. James Coltman, the Plough Inn, was broken open and entered, and the following property stolen therefrom, viz. twelve yards of Irish cloth, two yards of calico, a quantity of wearing apparel, a time piece, with mahogany frame, maker’s name, “George Clarke, London;” a large metal tea pot, a quantity of plate, and a variety of other articles.

[loak]

Gosh , he sounds a bit of a rogue whereas Edward seems to be quite well off. I wonder where his money came from as he seems to own quite a lot of property in Greenwich that he leaves in his will.