something strange with this family or is it me ?

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Thomas Norris and Mary Siddons had 5 children, one of them being Jane Norris my g.g. gran.

So tyding up her siblings….  I found Elizabeth 1829 had a daughter Betsy in 1847… out of wedlock, but then went on to marry Thomas Brown and had maybe 5 more children and in 1878 seemingly adopted a boy William Rowton – who sadly only lived 2yrs.
Now these Brown children are seen through - out the census rtns with either their Gran (Mary) or their aunt Louisa.    Query reason for this??? Who knows.

Anyhow on checking Aunt Louisa born 1838 -  she doesn’t seem to marry.  And I can find her in Census up to 1891 and then nothing, YET I have her death as 1914… where did I get that from?  Cannot remember (do not seem to have a cert?)

Anyhow I then went through the 1897 and it shows her in Laxton Street which is correct, with her mother Mary and then:
6 children down as Grandchildren and considering Mary is down as Head… should mean they are her Grandchildren   -
Now 3 of them are either named Goadley or Gradley which I cannot account for:
The others are Brown – which I have followed (mostly) and know they are Elizabeths.

So who do the Goadleys belong to?!?! And where does Louisa go in 1901  --

Marys children are: Elizabeth who married a Brown (albeit eventually ) Frederick who died in Infancy. Jane my g.g. Gran.  Louisa who didn’t marry!?  And a.n.other Frederick who also died as a baby.

For the Goadley/Gradleys to be grandchildren – Maybe Mary had a.n.other child before Elizabeth.. The eldest Goadley/Gradley is Edwin age 34 in the 1871 so born circa 1837  - which means his mother would have to have been born  1817?? Ish  Mary was born 1804 – so for the Goadley/Gradley parent to have been her child she would have been 13……………………………………………………………  uhm

Crazy   it is an interesting search… would love to find more   Will have to look again for Goadley/Gradleys  haven’t found them yet?

[Manchester Rambler]

I think the surname is GOADBY - Edwin, Elizabeth and family are under that name (or a variation) in other censuses.

It seems possible that Elizabeth NORRIS married Edwin after Thomas BROWN died:

Marriages Dec 1868
(possible spouses)
BROWN  Elizabeth
GOODBY  Edwin
Leicester 7a 379

[Annie65115]

The 1871 census looks confused. Although Edwin Goadby (and I'd agree it's probably that spelling) is shown as grandson to the head of the household, the enumerator has put in the double lines to show that it's a separate household (albeit it looks like the same address). Edwin and Elizabeth Goadby are married, both aged 24, with a 1 year old son Harry. That would give Edwin a yob around 1846 (there was another Edwin Goadby b Leic 1836ish who is shown in the censuses over several years, living all over the country with his wife, also Eliz/beth - to add to the confusion!)

Sarah Brown (17), Emma Brown (10) and John Brown (5) are then shown with more double lines between them, but all as grandchildren of the head of household.

Mary Norris is heading up the household, age 66, as mother of Louisa age 32. All are born in Leicester.

The dates wouldn't seem to tie in with Elizabeth Norris/Brown marrying an Edwin Goad?y.

[Annie65115]

If that is the correct Edwin (b 1846-7, living in Laxton St in 1871), then this might be him in Welford Rd, plot UF 330:

TURNER   ANN   1863   FEB   5   32   29 LYNDHURST STREET   SAINT GEORGE
GOADBY   JANE   1892   OCT   4   67   CARDIGAN STREET   SAINT MARY   
GOADBY   JOHN   1893   FEB   22   79   CARDIGAN STREET   SAINT MARY   
GOADBY   EDWIN   1893   JUL   20   47   CARDIGAN STREET   SAINT MARY   

The 1891 census shows Edwin Goadby, age 45, in Cardigan St with his wife Elizabeth and assorted children, but this time his place of birth was somewhere illegible in the E Indies! The grandparents are also there -John Goadby age 76 (pob somewhere in Leic'shire I think but it's v faint) and Jane age 64, from St Albans.

I'm not sure this helps at all!

[Annie65115]

1861 census - Ann Turner was a "visitor" b Cheltenham, staying with the Goadbys. Edwin and his brother George have their POB as Hindustan. and John was b Market Bosworth, and seems to have been governor (or deputy?) of the local gaol.

[Annie65115]

More in Welford Rd:

Plot UR1 3226

NORRIS   THOMAS   1870   APR   20   71   LEICESTER UNION HOUSE   
BROWN   THOMAS   1871   JAN   29   44   LEICESTER INFIRMARY   
DRAYCOTT   CHARLES EDWARD   1871   FEB   5   2YRS 6MTHS   BONNERS LANE
NORRIS   MARY   1873   JAN   15   68   LAXTON STREET   SAINT MARY   
ROWTON   WILLIAM NORRIS   1883   AUG   1   5   LAXTON STREET   SAINT MARY   
OLDBURY   FREDERICK C   1912   APR   24   50   32 GOSLING STREET   LEICESTER


Plot UR 1892:

TOPLEY   JOHN   1863   NOV   22   46   RICHARD STREET   
CHESTERTON   ALBERT   1885   AUG   21   10WKS   WARING STREET   
SEAL   HARRIET   1895   JUN   5   67   MILL LANE   
DRAYCOTT   ANNIE   1895   NOV   8   51   LEICESTER UNION HOUSE   
GOADBY   ROSE ETHEL   1898   JUN   24   12MTHS   LAXTON STREET   
NORRIS   LOUISA   1914   APR   21   76   31 LAXTON STREET   


Is Draycott another name connected with the family, or is it coincidence that there are Draycotts in both these graves?

[Annie65115]

More!

Plot Ur1 2914

HALL   GEORGE HARRY   1870   AUG   21   1MTH   HEANOR STREET   
LAY   EMILY   1886   SEP   7   2MTHS   TALBOT LANE   
LAY   JAMES ARTHUR   1888   MAY   23   3MTHS   OLD MILL LANE   
HUBBARD   FRANK HENRY   1914   FEB   25   6MTHS   
BROWN   EMMA   1930   SEP   15   72   31 LAXTON STREET   
BROWN   SARAH   1931   JAN   31   75   31 LAXTON STREET   


So knowing that they stayed at the same address, I was able to find them in the other censuses; 1n 1911, Ancestry has mistranscribed Louisa's surname as BORRIS; whilst in 1901, she was MORRIS 

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Oh   crikey...... been on 'Sally Ann' (my new sewing machine) dashing up some Trews for my grandson and all the while desperate to get back to this lot...... 
Now all this wonderful information to digest.

Yes Draycotts and Norris related.... will read it all through again to see what you have found

thank you   looks like you got it sussed ......... or a long way towards it 

xin

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Getting there,   They SHOULD be down as Edwin Grandson - in - law
as he marries Elizabeth Brown.....................who I presume is Betsy Brown..bn 1847c.......................... maybe  that bit is sussed .. whew ...

I hope to work the rest out................. having glanced at it again, not so sure
just wish he would make his mind up where he was born

thanks for help

xin