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Re: Phelan Gaffney of Boley (near Shanahoe) Laois
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 13 June 13 16:14 BST (UK) »
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 There is one Phelan family in the 1901 census that nearly matches my Phelans

The fathers name is correct
The mother is correct
The oldest son is correct

the father, who is 93 in 1901 census...
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think that age should be 73 - looks the same as the 7 in the nephew David's age.

see : Phelan / Grant household
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Re: Phelan Gaffney of Boley (near Shanahoe) Laois
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 13 June 13 16:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your post

I have Eliza in my notes and have even left a place for her in my genealogy software if Eliza is the daughter of Michael and Catherine then that would push Michael and Catherine’s marriage back in time.

Without any firm dates I usually assume, married at 20 years old and a child within the first 2 years of marriage applying this to Catherine that would put Catherine’s birth to 1843 and a marriage to Michael around 1863. As you rightly point out there could be children before Eliza and after the twins, I have search through the 1901 census for the twins (Search Criteria, Christian name, born Laois, aged 21, and female)   but without any luck, I suspect they must have left Ireland.

I have not reviewed this part of my tree for some time often a review turns up other avenues for research
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Re: Phelan Gaffney of Boley (near Shanahoe) Laois
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 13 June 13 16:42 BST (UK) »
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 There is one Phelan family in the 1901 census that nearly matches my Phelans

The fathers name is correct
The mother is correct
The oldest son is correct

the father, who is 93 in 1901 census...

...

think that age should be 73 - looks the same as the 7 in the nephew David's age.

see : Phelan / Grant household

I need to relook at this record, in my notes I tried to find a birth for Sarah and Ann so that I could link them to Michael and Catherine the result of my search is not recorded, a good case for a review.

I am also going to look for an 18 year old David Grant in the 18911 census, you never know
The 93 does look more like a 73 now you point it out, I wonder if this is the line that adds to my longevity gene, my Aunt was 100 last March( and still going) and my grandfather and great grandfather were in their 90’s when they died.
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Re: Phelan Gaffney of Boley (near Shanahoe) Laois
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 13 June 13 16:44 BST (UK) »
David's back home at Tonduff in 1911 - see : link
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Re: Phelan Gaffney of Boley (near Shanahoe) Laois
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 13 June 13 16:47 BST (UK) »
David's back home at Tonduff in 1911 - see : link


So Mary Grant will be the sister of Catherine or Michael
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Re: Phelan Gaffney of Boley (near Shanahoe) Laois
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 13 June 13 16:48 BST (UK) »
best matches for Elizabeth and Sarah's births on the BMD Index are these two :

  Name : Elizabeth Phelan
  Event Type : Birth
  Year : 1865
  Registration District : Abbeyleix
  Volume : 8 / Page : 464

  Name : Sarah Phelan
  Event Type : Birth
  Year : 1873
  Registration District : Abbeyleix
  Volume : 8 / Page : 421

also a good possible match for Michael's death..based on district and corrected age on the 1901 return...

  Name : Michael Phelan
  Event Type : Death
  Quarter and Year : Oct-Dec 1907
  Registration District : Abbeyleix
  Age : 79 (est. year of birth 1828)
  Volume : 3 / Page : 205


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Re: Phelan Gaffney of Boley (near Shanahoe) Laois
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 13 June 13 16:52 BST (UK) »
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So Mary Grant will be the sister of Catherine or Michael

not 100% certain, but think husbands name may have been Peter. A Peter Grant age 62 died in the vicinity around the right time.. but haven't found a possible marriage match for him in the district..
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Re: Phelan Gaffney of Boley (near Shanahoe) Laois
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 13 June 13 16:58 BST (UK) »
Could you give your opinion on the birth place of Catherine Phelan nee Gaffney in the Cencus it looks to me like Brennan, and theres a Brennan near Carlow which is not too far away
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Re: Phelan Gaffney of Boley (near Shanahoe) Laois
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 13 June 13 17:00 BST (UK) »
best matches for Elizabeth and Sarah's births on the BMD Index are these two :

  Name : Elizabeth Phelan
  Event Type : Birth
  Year : 1865
  Registration District : Abbeyleix
  Volume : 8 / Page : 464

  Name : Sarah Phelan
  Event Type : Birth
  Year : 1873
  Registration District : Abbeyleix
  Volume : 8 / Page : 421

also a good possible match for Michael's death..based on district and corrected age on the 1901 return...

  Name : Michael Phelan
  Event Type : Death
  Quarter and Year : Oct-Dec 1907
  Registration District : Abbeyleix
  Age : 79 (est. year of birth 1828)
  Volume : 3 / Page : 205

I am going to write off for the birth certificate for Sarah that should settle the issue
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