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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 16:14 GMT (UK) »
You should check to see if they kept the receipts for the artefacts!!  ;D ;D


Seriously though, you should check the irishgenealogy site, just put in the Surname, nothing else,  and see if you spot anything as you are more aware of the "Who's who" of those you are looking for, you might spot baptisms/burials too.
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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 22:14 GMT (UK) »
Wowwwww!  Coooollllllll!

Does anyone know why there are two distinct church records of their marriage?

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 22:39 GMT (UK) »
Normally the church keeps it's own register but marriages are the registered in local B.D.M.registry office.

Church records are church records.
B.D.M registry offices are Government offices.

Church and State!
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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 02 December 10 04:12 GMT (UK) »
Dear Hallmark:

Thanks for the info.


This message is for Shane:

I'm curious about Thom's directory of 1848.  Shouldn't I expect to find both James F. Burke and perhaps Jessie S. Sutherland in such a directory circa 1850?

The description describes less than 40 people in town and not that many outside of town.

By the way:  what's a "Strand", and what is a "Shed"?

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 02 December 10 09:05 GMT (UK) »
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I'm curious about Thom's directory of 1848.  Shouldn't I expect to find both James F. Burke and perhaps Jessie S. Sutherland in such a directory circa 1850?

The description describes less than 40 people in town and not that many outside of town.

By the way:  what's a "Strand", and what is a "Shed"?
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Directories dont list everyone and only show the primary occupants of houses, certain business owners and trades people. It's more likely that the parents would be listed than James and Jessie. Since Jessie's father is in the army, he could be located in a barracks and would only be listed Clontarf if he had a residence there.

Strand is the coast or beach, The Sheds is a district in Clontarf. I think the name derived from buildings used by the fishing industry..


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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 02 December 10 11:11 GMT (UK) »
Very interesting:  More color for the story.

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 02 December 10 14:56 GMT (UK) »
not really related - but something interesting I never noticed before about the Contarf street listing ...

At 15 Marino Crescent, Clontarf is an Abraham Stoker - I believe this is the father of Abraham/Bram Stoker the author of Dracula. Bram  would have been just 1 in 1848

see : page 2  (middle column, towards the bottom)

adds yet more colour to your story!


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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 02 December 10 16:52 GMT (UK) »
Shane:

Thanks for that tidbit.  Not only is that interesting, it's also interesting (Wikipedia) that years later, his future bride lived just a few doors down at 1 Marino Crescent.  That street is shown in the Dublin 1848 map (that you've listed?) http://roots.swilson.info/dublin1848/ThomsDublin1848.html

Plus, perusing that same Directory page,  (pg. 2) under "Fairview Avenue" there is a James Burke, Barrister.  Wonder if that is Jessie's future (in two years) husband?  In the marriage record JB's occupation was listed as "Gentleman".  Would this discrepancy rule out this possibility?

Could you please explain how this directory should be read?  Are all three pages Clontarf? 

Do all the bold centered headings denote streets in Clontarf? 

For instance, on page 2, there is a bold heading "Dollymount", and centered below is "P. of Clontarf.---Coolock B." 

Then there is "Foster-Place", with "Ballybough-road" centered below, followed by "P. St. George".

Are they simply 2 streets in Clontarf?  "P." stands for "Parish", I surmise.  What's "Coolock B."

What do these two listings mean?

Is there a guide to interpreting this directory?

Sorry to pester you, but if I'm to read this directory correctly, I gotta learn how.

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And on an entirely different note:  Since Jessie's father is an officer in the army, would anyone know of any particular resource (online military records, for instance) that might include his name?  Any resource that would shed light on his unit or simply the Army's presence in Clontarf?

Thanks,

Joe
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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 02 December 10 17:18 GMT (UK) »
Yes Bram Stoker did indeed live there..
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