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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Leenie on Wednesday 24 January 07 15:03 GMT (UK)
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I have a Ralph Heron, married 10 April 1699 in Morpeth who died, circa 1740 in Morpeth. While he had six children's births registered in Morpeth: James 1700, John 1704, Joseph 1705, Edward 1707, Isabel 1711 and Ralph 1713, his wife was never named in the listings or marriage recording. I have hit a solid, brick wall with how to trace Ralph backward to his place of birth or his parent's names. The family all remained, mostly, in Morpeth but there's always a chance Ralph hailed from another Northumberland location. I have seen the manuscripts of Rev. Hill and searched the microfilms to no avail.
If anyone happens to have this Ralph in their papers, or has suggestion for further investigation, I'd be in debt for the assistance. It is rumoured that Ralph was connected to the last branch of Herons that owned Chipchase but I've no solid evidence to that other than family letters. He did, however, have a grandson name Ralph of "Bridge End Morpeth" and a great-nephew named Ralph of "Mitford Lodge."
Thank you all.
Regards,
Colleen
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Hello Colleen, its Gladys here and i don`t think we will ever find any more about Ralph. I was in touch with Derek Cole a while back off GenesReunited which i didn`t know who he was with just his first name and he said that he would try to get to Northumberland sometime to do some research on Ralph but haven`t heard from him since. Hope all is well with you all. Gladys :) :)
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Janis here now--I haven't heard from Derek in over a year. I'll let you two deal with the Heron's. I am working on the Cole's.
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Okay Janis happy hunting, i am doing parts on my other family and don`t know where to look for Ralph`s birth as i have looked in past years so its a brick wall now. Gladys :) :)
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Two baptisms for you (but some distance from your target area)
Ralph Heron, 24 July 1656, Stockton St. Thomas. Father Ralph
Ralph Herron, 10 September 1671, Stockton St. Thomas. Father Ralph, mother Elizabeth
Jennifer
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Hello Jennifer Thanks for sending them tell you the truth i don`t know what to think, that 1671 baptism would fit but Ralph didn`t have an Elizabeth babby and not just that i have the pedigree and the Morpeth Heron`s which was compiled by the Rev John Paul Hill and his letter of 1987which he said that he might get a researcher which he was 80 then so will never know if he did. I got them all from Newcastle Library about 5/7 years ago and i looked at Hexham and Corbridge but no Ralph as it said on the pedigree that Ralph supposed to have come from Hexham. The Rev and his Mother in the 1930s did some researching but he never found Ralph`s baptism. We will just have to live in hope hoping something turns up as i want to be sure. Thanks Jennifer. :) :)
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Hi gladys, Janis (good to hear from you both again)
Thank you, Jennifer, for jumping in with (two) Ralph Herons to add to the possibility list.
Stockton may be a wee bit too far to consider but I won't rule anything out at this point.
Any chip in the brick wall works for me.
Interestingly, Ralph (married 1699) had a son named Ralph, born in 1713, and this son is sometimes found, at LDS sites, married to Francis Scurfield. This branch would take me toward the Corbridge line of Herons. Another long shot but feasible.
Also possible is Ralph (married 1699) having a father named Thomas Heron of Hamsterley.
At any rate, I'll keep this posting rolling along in the hope that someone out there might see it and have the missing link. Surely, Ralph was born to somebody with a name!
Thank for all the help so far,
Colleen
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Hi
I would be interested in what you have a little more recently on Ralph Herron, say from 1750-1800 as I have an ancestor Ralph herron also!
Anne
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Hello Anne, i will get back to you in the morning okay . Gladys :)
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Hi Anne,
Glad to see Gladys responding to you quicker than me! I know Gladys (we are related via two different family lines) and she is just wonderful with her information. I have learned much from her.
The latest/dated Ralph Heron I can give you from my line is the one born in 1732 Morpeth. He was the son of John Heron and his wife, Mary. He was the grandson of the Ralph Heron married in 1699.
This Ralph was also a shoemaker and married Margaret Allen. He died in Morpeth 22 Sept 1797. He and Margaret had several children:
Margaret 1761, John 1763, Mathew 1771, Isabel 1773, Alice 1775, Ralph 1766, Isabel 1769, Winnifred 1777.
Tell me more about your Ralph and I will see if I can find him on our tree.
Regards,
Colleen
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Hi Colleen you have saved me putting the Ralph`s in and Ann i was going to ask you to send me what you have on Ralph as well as it would be better for me to look at my tree. Cheerio for now. Gladys. :)
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Hi
I would be interested in what you have a little more recently on Ralph Herron, say from 1750-1800 as I have an ancestor Ralph herron also!
Anne
Hello Ann are your Herons from Morpeth as i haven`t heard from you. Gladys.
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Hi
Not ignoring you! Been busy and have only just looked out my notes.. I may have jumped the gun as my Herons were at Wylam!
Cheers, Anne
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Colleen, if you Google Heron of Chipchase, ther is a fair amount of info there, I haven't read it in full myself, but I always google when i hit the "wall"
Good Luck Dolly.
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Hello Ann thats quite alright, hi Dolly, Colleen and me have seen the Chipchase Heron`s and nothing there to find our Ralph who was married at Morpeth 1699 , this is a very big brick wall we are up againts. Gladys. ???
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Just as a matter of interest - and you may already know this - I have just read this passage in Jenny Uglow's bigraphy of Thomas Bewick. She describes the arrival in Newcastle in 1786 of Vincenzo Lunardi with his newfangled hot-air balloon. He was to make an ascent from the Spital fields, but while they were filling the balloon with gas, there was a rush of gas and the men let go of the ropes, the balloon went upwards - "carrying a young man called Ralph Heron, who had twisted a rope round one arm so that he had a hand free to eat some nuts. At five hundred feet, before a horrified crowd, he fell to his death in a nearby garden. Newcastle ended Lunardi's career and gave Britain its first fatal air accident."
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Greetings Jora,
Thanks for keeping the quest open in finding Ralph Heron! I keep hoping (someone out there) will have a Ralph who married in 1699 or was born, circa 1650.
Yes, I have seen this (actual) newspaper clip and feel, strongly, that the Ralph who died in this accident, was related to the Ralph I seek.
The balloon accident happened to Ralph Heron, son of Ralph Heron (b. 22 Feb 1736) and Ann Cuthbertson (b. 21 Nov. 1738.) I believe this branch is from Corbridge. He had sisters: Francis, Charlotte and Elizabeth. As the only son, the line, following the accident, literally died with this event.
This Ralph's grandfather was also a Ralph (b. 09 Feb 1713) who married a Francis Scurfield on 8 June 1731 in Eglingham. His father was Thomas Heron (b. 1665 in Corbridge) who married Ann Hudspeth in 1691 in Corbridge.
Strange enough, if you follow the Heron of Morpeth tree, (my) Ralph, who married in 1699, also had a son named Ralph who was born on 09 Feb 1713.
See the problem?
For one.....there are too many Ralph Herons floating around. !!
And two? The Ralph born in 1713 cannot have two different fathers.
That is where I am trying to tie up the confusion.
I believe these two lines to be connected. Now, I am searching for a way to do so.
I'd love to hear from you again if you have a theory.
And, thanks again for thinking of Ralph.
Leenie
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For the record here is the full entry which I recently copied from the St Nicholas Burial Register:
21 July 1786: Ralph son of Ralph Heron, Attorney at Law, this amiable young man and several others were assisting Mr Lunardi in filling a Balloon in the Spittal, on the Gass issuing through the platform they were alarm'd, Without his knowledge let the Balloon go, he unfortunately had the Cord which opened the Valve held around his arm and was in an instant carried up into the air many feet higher than the spire of St Nicholas Church, fell upon his feet into Lord Mount Stewarts Garden, died about ten hours after.
Jennifer
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Hi JenB thank you for that only we are no further forward as i can see but something might ;D turn up on Ralph married 1699 at Morpeth, wonder why his wifes name wasn`t on. Any way at the moment i am trying to find out where the Dowey and Henderson are related as William Heron( On the same Heron family as above) he was born 1850 son of Thomas Heron and Isabella Elsdon, William married a Jane Henderson and on two of their birth certificates for two children the mothers name was Jane Dowey and on the third her name was Jane Henderson which is correct as William married Jane Henderson as i copied their marriage from parish registers quite a few years back then William and Jane and children went off to USA and in census a Mary Dowey mother in law appears in with them :) i have had a lot of help from rootschat on USA for my William and Jane Heron, has any body got any ideas where Dowey comes in as no one seems to know ??? Hope yopu don`t mind me putting that in. gladys :) :)
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Gladys,
Who was the informant for the children born with the mother's name as Jane Dowey? and who on the one with Jane Henderson?
Janis
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Hiya Janis, from this birth certificate 10th Dec 1879 Folly Blyth ,Elsdon Calvert , boy, father William Herron, Mother Jane Herron formely Dowey, Coal Miner.X the mark of Jane Herron Mother Folly Blyth.
29 June 1878 Folly Blyth, John, boy, Father William Heron, Mother Jane Heron formely Dowey, Coal Miner, X the mark of Jane Heron Mother Folly Blyth.
17 Jan 1882 Cowpen Quay Cowpen U.S.D. William Heron, Boy, Father William Heron Mother Jane Heron formely Henderson, Coal Miner, X the mark of Jane Heron Mother Cowpen Quay Cowpen. Same Registra for all three.
Elsdon Calvert died 1880 Blyth. Its a strange gan on isn`t it. Thanks Janis.
Gladys. :)