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Re: 1911 census Lookup Please - Weavers Almshouses -Walstead
« Reply #18 on: Friday 31 October 14 17:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi nannyj

Here is the run down of my 2X Great Grandmother copied from a post I did on the Middlesex board
My 2X G Grandmother was, when she married, Susannah Marie Thompson

She married December 25 1875 to Frederick Woodage in Bethnal Green
She lists her age as full and her father as John Thompson Weaver
Her residence at that time was 17 Canrobert Street, Bethnal Green

1881 Census in Bethnal Green -  she is Susan Woodage born Rotherhithe age 25
1891 Census in Mile End - she is Susan Marie Woodage born Bethnal Green age 36
1901 Census in Bethnal Green -she is Susan Woodage born Lambeth age 44
She died in 1911(in the Lynatic Asylum) and on her death certificate she is Mary Susan Woodage age 56.
Her 'in memory' card, from her family, says her name is Martha Susan Woodage

On the birth certificate of her daughter Emily (my G Grandmother)
She is listed as Susan Woodage formerly Thompson

On baptisms for other children she is:
Susanah Marie, Susan, Susan Marie

Marriages for two of her daughters (here in Canada) they list their mother as:
Martha Susan Thompson & Susan M Thompson respectfully.

However the problem is I can only find a "Mary Thompson" on the 1871 census with parents John Thompson weaver, and wife Mary.  They are living on Canrobert Street and so this is the first connection to the Susannah Marie who marries 4 year later.  I have had to assume this Mary is one and same woman to Susan given the obvious 'John Thompson weaver' and address.  As there has been no 'Susan Thompson' on the 1861 that fit.

However going back to the 1861 census even where Mary Thompson and her parents are on the 1861 census is any ones guess.

And I have never found a baptism for "Susannah Marie Thompson" or a marriage for her parents.

I followed that John Thompson and Mary who appear in 1871 Census and that is the same John Thompson in the Weaver's Almhouses.
 
WOODAGE (East London);
SPEAR (Laneast, Cornwall);
FRENCH (Rye/Hastings, Sussex);
PERCIVAL (Downe, Kent);
JARVIS (Houghton, Norfolk);
KING (Wortham,Suffolk- Hove, Sussex);
FLEMING(Logierait & Dowally, Perthshire);
LOVE (Ireland Co.?)

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Re: 1911 census Lookup Please - Weavers Almshouses -Walstead
« Reply #19 on: Friday 31 October 14 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Blimey. The name chopping and changing doesn't help, does it?
I'll have a hunt, and if I find anything, will get back to you. Sometimes new records come online that you haven't seen before. You never know your luck!
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« Reply #20 on: Friday 31 October 14 17:37 GMT (UK) »
Yes and that has been the problem for the past 20+ years now that I have tried to find my way back from Susannah Marie Thompson  :-\

I believe she was an only child and I also believe she was probably illegitimate and that John Thompson is not her father but perhaps the only 'father' she knew???   When she signed the marriage registry it looks like she was not exactly sure how to spell/write this name "Susannah marie"...

The whole mess screams of scandal somewhere and then this poor women goes on to 13 children (8 make it to adulthood, all daughters, 1 son)
She then spends her last 3 years of life in the Hanwell Lynatic Asylum  :(

WOODAGE (East London);
SPEAR (Laneast, Cornwall);
FRENCH (Rye/Hastings, Sussex);
PERCIVAL (Downe, Kent);
JARVIS (Houghton, Norfolk);
KING (Wortham,Suffolk- Hove, Sussex);
FLEMING(Logierait & Dowally, Perthshire);
LOVE (Ireland Co.?)

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Re: 1911 census Lookup Please - Weavers Almshouses -Walstead
« Reply #21 on: Friday 31 October 14 18:59 GMT (UK) »
Do you know Susannah's mother's maiden name?

Mark
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« Reply #22 on: Friday 31 October 14 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Not a clue on that one Mark  :'(

I have absolutely nothing to go on only that John Thompson and Mary Thompson can be found with their 16 year old daughter 'Mary' on the 1861 Census on Canrobert Street in Bethnal Green.  This mother Mary and her daughter Mary both say born in Rotherhithe.

It is inconclusive whether this is my "Susannah Marie" but by all indications it makes sense.
Based on a few 'facts' namely the fact they are on canrobert street (same street Susan Thompson is on when she marries) and the fact she says her dad is John Thompson weaver .... and then Susan Woodage says on the 1881 she was born in Rotherhithe and then when she enters the asylum years later, again Rotherhithe is mentioned as her place of birth.   Plus my Susan Thompson-Woodage names her oldest daughter Mary and the next oldest Martha Susan.

I follow John and Mary Thompson (who uses the name Martha in 1891) but then in 1901 he is in the Almhouse she is not with him but he is married.

They have such a common name "John Thompson" and "Mary Thompson"  but the unique thing was that at least he always said he was born Leek Staffordshire and the year almost always was 1831-1832.
WOODAGE (East London);
SPEAR (Laneast, Cornwall);
FRENCH (Rye/Hastings, Sussex);
PERCIVAL (Downe, Kent);
JARVIS (Houghton, Norfolk);
KING (Wortham,Suffolk- Hove, Sussex);
FLEMING(Logierait & Dowally, Perthshire);
LOVE (Ireland Co.?)

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« Reply #23 on: Friday 31 October 14 19:41 GMT (UK) »
I pity you with such a common surname; at least my surname Olley is a little more unusual, and to help matters my ancestors were not great travellers.

Mark
Olleys in Essex

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« Reply #24 on: Friday 31 October 14 20:12 GMT (UK) »
Had a good plan and looked up Marys marrying John thomspsons etween 1854 and 1861 but no luck!
What it Mary's dob as given on the censuses that you've found her on?
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« Reply #25 on: Friday 31 October 14 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi  nannyj

I always hope someone with fresh eyes, or new ideas, will find something I missed along the way.

1871 census on Canrobert
John Thompson is 40 silk weaver born Staffordshire
Mary Thompson is 24 (mistake I am pretty sure) born Rotherhithe

1881 Census on Green Street
John Thompson is 50 silk weaver born Leek Stafford
Martha (as she is now called) Thompson is 46 born Rotherhithe

1891 Census on Ganbor Street
John Thompson is 60 weaver born Leek Staffordshire
Martha (Mary) Thompson is 56 and now says she too born Leek Staffordshire
WOODAGE (East London);
SPEAR (Laneast, Cornwall);
FRENCH (Rye/Hastings, Sussex);
PERCIVAL (Downe, Kent);
JARVIS (Houghton, Norfolk);
KING (Wortham,Suffolk- Hove, Sussex);
FLEMING(Logierait & Dowally, Perthshire);
LOVE (Ireland Co.?)

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« Reply #26 on: Friday 31 October 14 20:46 GMT (UK) »
Sadly, I think you need to get hold of the marriage records for Bethnal green for the period that mary/Martha married John Thompson. That would give her maiden name or widowed name and would give you a better idea about your susan. Shame they're Middlesex or kent and not essex as essex records are online.
Jamiesons, Martins and McGonigals of Coleraine, Londonderry
and
Cullens, Grahams and Challenors of Dublin county and city.