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Offline Craig1985taylor

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Hello im wondering if anybody might be able to help me find birth & death certificates for James Taylor & Ann Clark? They are the parents of my 4th Great Grandad James Taylor I found there names from his death certificate. He died on the 10th April 1876 in findochty Banffshire.  Ive found a marriage certificate for James & Ann on the 23rd August 1788 in the parish of deskford but nothing more. If anybody can help track down what years they were born & died that would be great, id love to be able to find out who there parents were.

Thanks for any help you can be Craig.
Taylor (Cullen, Banff)
Eddison - Mitchel (Cullen, Banff)
Clark - Andrew (Rathven, Banff)
Flett - Campbell (Findochty, Banff)
Elder - Stewart (Lossiemouth, Morray)
Noble - Forbes (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Smith - Russell (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Roberts - Green (Twyning, Gloucestershire)

Butt (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Hartshorne - Goodall (Broseley, Shropshire)
Moore - Mallard (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Brooke - Shin (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire)
Weaver - Cole (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)

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Re: Help finding birth & death certificates for James Taylor & Ann Clark 1780's
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 April 13 15:01 BST (UK) »
Before 1855 there were no birth, marriage or death certificates in Scotland. Baptisms and marriages (usually proclamation of banns) were recorded in the Church of Scotland parish registers. However, many events were not recorded and the state of the registers varies considerably. With deaths, some parishes kept a burial register and some recorded payment for the mortcloth at the time of burial, but these death related registers are not as common.

Have you looked at the free Libindx site which allows you to search for individuals in the area?

Have you found an entry for James Taylor junior's baptism? If you can find records of the baptisms of James Taylor and Ann Clark's children, the names of the witnesses might point to the names of grandparents.

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Re: Help finding birth & death certificates for James Taylor & Ann Clark 1780's
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 06 April 13 15:57 BST (UK) »
The marriage banns were called on 5 Aug 1788 at Deckfore, Banff  and at  Rathven, Banff on 23 Aug 1788.
Having found the names of the children I was trying to fit them to the Scottish naming pattern but there were too many to sort out. Perhaps you could have a look at that. There are several websites that give this information. This is one:
http://www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm
Good luck
All UK Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cline: Ireland and Berwick on Twieed
Collin: Eyemouth
Clyne: Ireland, Berwickshire, Northumberland
Barns, Barnes: Fife
Walker: Edinburgh & Stirling
Laing, Wilson, Forrest, Forrester, Colven, Rae, Cowe, Buglass, Johnson, Wilson, Thorburn, Darling, Broomfield, : Berwickshire
McRaw, Cameron, Taylor, Gould/Guild, McIntyre, Maxton, McDonald, Douglass : Perthshire
Cormack, Campbell, Sutherland, Doull: Caithness

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Re: Help finding birth & death certificates for James Taylor & Ann Clark 1780's
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 April 13 17:18 BST (UK) »
Before 1855 there were no birth, marriage or death certificates in Scotland. Baptisms and marriages (usually proclamation of banns) were recorded in the Church of Scotland parish registers. However, many events were not recorded and the state of the registers varies considerably. With deaths, some parishes kept a burial register and some recorded payment for the mortcloth at the time of burial, but these death related registers are not as common.

Have you looked at the free Libindx site which allows you to search for individuals in the area?

Have you found an entry for James Taylor junior's baptism? If you can find records of the baptisms of James Taylor and Ann Clark's children, the names of the witnesses might point to the names of grandparents.

Hi thank you for your input, i did mean to say baptism records & not birth records sorry about  that, I have found all of there childrens baptism records but the witnesses are different in each ones so not sure out of them who are parents & who arnt?
Taylor (Cullen, Banff)
Eddison - Mitchel (Cullen, Banff)
Clark - Andrew (Rathven, Banff)
Flett - Campbell (Findochty, Banff)
Elder - Stewart (Lossiemouth, Morray)
Noble - Forbes (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Smith - Russell (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Roberts - Green (Twyning, Gloucestershire)

Butt (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Hartshorne - Goodall (Broseley, Shropshire)
Moore - Mallard (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Brooke - Shin (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire)
Weaver - Cole (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)


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Re: Help finding birth & death certificates for James Taylor & Ann Clark 1780's
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 April 13 17:21 BST (UK) »
The marriage banns were called on 5 Aug 1788 at Deckfore, Banff  and at  Rathven, Banff on 23 Aug 1788.
Having found the names of the children I was trying to fit them to the Scottish naming pattern but there were too many to sort out. Perhaps you could have a look at that. There are several websites that give this information. This is one:
http://www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm
Good luck

Hi thank you for your info id never heard of the naming pattern before thats really interesting! With regards to the 2 dates you have given what does each one entail?  I take it one is the actual day they got married but what is the other one?
Taylor (Cullen, Banff)
Eddison - Mitchel (Cullen, Banff)
Clark - Andrew (Rathven, Banff)
Flett - Campbell (Findochty, Banff)
Elder - Stewart (Lossiemouth, Morray)
Noble - Forbes (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Smith - Russell (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Roberts - Green (Twyning, Gloucestershire)

Butt (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Hartshorne - Goodall (Broseley, Shropshire)
Moore - Mallard (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Brooke - Shin (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire)
Weaver - Cole (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)

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Re: Help finding birth & death certificates for James Taylor & Ann Clark 1780's
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 07 April 13 09:34 BST (UK) »
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?406

You will find out about the Old Parish Register Banns and Marriages on the above link.
Rae
All UK Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cline: Ireland and Berwick on Twieed
Collin: Eyemouth
Clyne: Ireland, Berwickshire, Northumberland
Barns, Barnes: Fife
Walker: Edinburgh & Stirling
Laing, Wilson, Forrest, Forrester, Colven, Rae, Cowe, Buglass, Johnson, Wilson, Thorburn, Darling, Broomfield, : Berwickshire
McRaw, Cameron, Taylor, Gould/Guild, McIntyre, Maxton, McDonald, Douglass : Perthshire
Cormack, Campbell, Sutherland, Doull: Caithness

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Re: Help finding birth & death certificates for James Taylor & Ann Clark 1780's
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 April 13 10:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Craig and all,

If you go to FreeReg,  http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

and set parameters as :-
Surname = taylor Forename = james Date = 1795 +/- 10 County = Banffshire Place = Rathven


You will get 10 results, Nos 3 to 8 are yours, click on the blue numbers 3 to 8 to expand.

Tom
Scotland - Buchanan, Thomson, Pat(t)erson, Stewart, Ritchie, Tracey
Ireland - Tracey, Conroy, Pat(t)erson.

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Re: Help finding birth & death certificates for James Taylor & Ann Clark 1780's
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 07 April 13 10:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Rae & Tom thank you both for your links I will check them both out now :)

Cheers Craig
Taylor (Cullen, Banff)
Eddison - Mitchel (Cullen, Banff)
Clark - Andrew (Rathven, Banff)
Flett - Campbell (Findochty, Banff)
Elder - Stewart (Lossiemouth, Morray)
Noble - Forbes (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Smith - Russell (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Roberts - Green (Twyning, Gloucestershire)

Butt (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Hartshorne - Goodall (Broseley, Shropshire)
Moore - Mallard (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Brooke - Shin (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire)
Weaver - Cole (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)

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Re: Help finding birth & death certificates for James Taylor & Ann Clark 1780's
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 07 April 13 11:16 BST (UK) »
Ok now ive got all there childrens births & the witnesses I can have a go at matching up with the Scottish naming pattern,

There 1st daughter's name was Elspet & one of her witnesses was Elspet Clark, so maybe this is Anne's mother?

2nd daughter's name is Margaret & one of her witnesses is called Margaret Taylor,  Probably James mother?

3rd child born has no name but from the death certificate I have for James in 1876 I can work out this is him, so he's the first son born & should be named after the fathers father?  One of his witnesses is called James Clark Jr so im wondering if both James & Anne's fathers were called James?

Next child is the 3rd daughter called Hellen nether of her witnesses are Taylor's or Clark's but one of James witnesses was called Hellen Taylor so maybe shes the fathers fathers mother?

Next child is the 2nd Son who was named Alexander, one of his witnesses is Alexander Clark who I think is ether Anne's father or her grandfather?

Last is William the 3rd son, one of his witnesses is called William Clark Hilton,  but im not sure who he could be?

Taylor (Cullen, Banff)
Eddison - Mitchel (Cullen, Banff)
Clark - Andrew (Rathven, Banff)
Flett - Campbell (Findochty, Banff)
Elder - Stewart (Lossiemouth, Morray)
Noble - Forbes (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Smith - Russell (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Roberts - Green (Twyning, Gloucestershire)

Butt (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Hartshorne - Goodall (Broseley, Shropshire)
Moore - Mallard (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Brooke - Shin (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire)
Weaver - Cole (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)