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Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
« Reply #135 on: Friday 18 April 14 10:45 BST (UK) »
The boot and shoe museum in Northampton had a huge card index of shoemakers.  Des anyone know if that has been computerized and put online?
Living in Berkshire from Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF MY NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
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Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
« Reply #136 on: Friday 18 April 14 19:20 BST (UK) »
We also have boot and shoemakers in more than one line and some of them have the term ‘Master’ as a prefix.

I hope others know more about old qualifications but I believe the term ‘Master’ was not self-appointed but a title that had to be earned after serving an apprenticeship with another Master who belonged to one of the Worshipful Companies of trade’s folk e.g. http://www.cordwainers.org/.

These apprenticeships were no small matter; were extremely disciplined and parents could sign over their sons to serve a Master for as long as 6-7 years. The deal seemed to be that Masters would provide food and accommodation in exchange for the training. I don’t think that boot and shoe making had much status, even as a Master, but there are some skills where completion of an apprenticeship, such as a Master tailor, resulted in a certificate that included the status of Freedom of the City. It may be worth asking the worshipful companies for lists of Masters.

Another resource may be to identify market towns where quality, leather making was renowned, such as Elham in Kent and where many skilled leather workers would settle and trade. The status of Market town had to be granted, not sure how but again, there may be an index of UK Market towns.

Maybe it would be better to start by approaching the people that David has mentioned and offering to collate all the existing databases so that there is one, dedicated site?

Xinia – Sorry, can't figure out how to post a quote but that shoe shop advert is really beautiful and  moving too. How things have changed! May I quote from it and keep a copy for personal use?

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Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
« Reply #137 on: Friday 18 April 14 19:37 BST (UK) »
Apolos - The apprenticeship deal was that Masters would provide a training, food and accommodation in exchange for free labour.
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« Reply #138 on: Friday 18 April 14 21:54 BST (UK) »

Just found this after following advice in the Beginners section entitled 'looking for a person'?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/apprentice.htm

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Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
« Reply #139 on: Friday 18 April 14 23:07 BST (UK) »
"Master" was also used as a prefix for "Hatters", I have an ancester with that occupation in the mid 19C. Interestingly his son became a "Bootmaker"...
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Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
« Reply #140 on: Thursday 24 April 14 20:28 BST (UK) »
Master Hatter; what a wonderful title.

Have you seen the apprenticeship documents? They are awesome terms and conditions. Not allowed to show you a real one re: copyright and can't quickly find a sample but well worth looking at if you can. Maybe the  Worshipful Company of Hatters will let you see one; you never know, the Queen of hearts herself, may oblige :)
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Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
« Reply #141 on: Saturday 17 May 14 23:00 BST (UK) »
Apprenticeships: Awesome terms and conditions

Here is a word for word copy of an indenture for a 7 year apprenticeship. I have seen a few of these now for various trades, such as blacksmith and shoemaker. All of the terms and conditions are more or less identical.  The length of apprenticeship seems to be 7 years. The only difference seems to be how much has to be paid to a master.

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b]London England Freedom of the City Admission Papers
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This Indenture witnesseth that, ….(Name)….son of …(Name of father)…..of …(Address)… in the County of….. the sum of ten pounds being paid or secured to the Master, as the consideration for taking the said apprentice, doth put himself Apprentice to… (Name)… Citizen and MERCHANT TAYLOR of London, to learn his Art, and with him (after the manner of an Apprentice) to serve from the Date hereof until the full End and Term of ….seven…Years, from thence next following to be fully complete and ended.
During which Term, the said Apprentice his said Master faithfully shall serve:

•   His Secrets keep;
•   His lawful Commandments everywhere gladly do.
•   He shall do no Damage to his said Master, nor see it to be done of others, but that he, to his Power, shall let, or forthwith give warning to his said Master of the same.
•   He shall not waste the goods of his said Master, nor lend them unlawfully to any.
•   He shall not commit fornication, nor contract matrimony within the said Term.
•   He shall not play at cards, dice, tables, or any other unlawful games, whereby his said Master may have any loss.
•   With his own goods or others, during the said term, without license from his said Master, he shall neither buy nor sell.
•   He shall not haunt taverns or play-houses, nor absent himself from his said Master’s service, day nor night, unlawfully;
•   but in all things, he said Apprentice, he shall behave himself towards his said Master, and all his during the said Term.

And the said Master, his said Apprentice in the same Art which he useth, by the best means that he can, shall teach and instruct, or cause to be taught and instructed, finding unto his said Apprentice, meat, drink, apparel, lodging and all other necessaries, according to the custom of the City of London, during the said Term. And for the true performance of all and every, the said Covenants and Agreements, either of the said Parties bind themselves unto the other by these Presents.

IN WITNESS whereof, the Parties above named to these Indentures interchangeably have put their Hands and Seals the …day..of ..month.. in the …number of years…Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lady VICTORIA, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, Queen, and so forth and in the Year of Our Lord, One Thousand Eight Hundred and ….

Witness: The master’s signature and clerk’s signature.
Stamped and sealed.

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Can’t imagine anyone willing to sign up for that these days! But I like that they took the artistry so seriously and that it was recognised as having such value, in and of itself.

Here too is a link where you can access an index of 108 various worshipful companies.
http://www.merchant-taylors.co.uk/
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Re: Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers
« Reply #142 on: Saturday 17 May 14 23:15 BST (UK) »
Thank-you Lone Trooper, I missed your first reply and have only just read it... What a contract one had to enter into to get a trade!!!
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« Reply #143 on: Sunday 18 May 14 00:05 BST (UK) »
Yes indeed!

No haunting of taverns for 7 years!!

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