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Max Salomon born Kiel Germany c 1873
« on: Wednesday 16 April 14 16:07 BST (UK) »
Trying to locate the background to Max Salomon born according to the 1901 and 1911 Census records in Kiel Germany.  in each census he claims to be either a UK or USA citizen.
Any help in finding his roots would be most welcome
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Re: Max Salomon born Kiel Germany c 1873
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 16 April 14 19:33 BST (UK) »
He was born 12/5/1872 Kiel arrived USA 1889 from Jamaica he became USA citizen lived there for 10years ...Married Maud Hilda Ashby 1907 Son Alphonse Wulff born 1902 ,Martin Wulff Saloman born 1910 ..A lot of records for Max on Ancestry  :) :)

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Re: Max Salomon born Kiel Germany c 1873
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 17 April 14 06:07 BST (UK) »
Rosie
Thank you for your prompt reply
I haven't a full Ancestry membership so would it be possible for you to provide a little more detail. detail possibly including did Max arrive alone from Jamaica?
Thank you
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Re: Max Salomon born Kiel Germany c 1873
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 April 14 11:11 BST (UK) »
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Re: Max Salomon born Kiel Germany c 1873
« Reply #4 on: Friday 18 April 14 12:22 BST (UK) »
The one thing the online trees have in common is that no-one appears to have purchased his marriage certificate in 1907.   That, at least, would be a starting point since you would then have his fathers name.

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Re: Max Salomon born Kiel Germany c 1873
« Reply #5 on: Friday 18 April 14 15:56 BST (UK) »
I agree with Annette re: the Marriage cert to Hilda being  a must!

Meantime looking sideways at Max Wulff SALOMON..... unless, the woman he's with is a married relative (sister?) and not a wife, it appears that Max is married to "Carrie" in 1901:

1901 CENSUS : St Mary's Road, Watford, Herts
RG13 / Piece  1318 / Folio  41 /Pg26
In the household of a George POWELL, Gardener, and his wife & daughter.
Boarder: Max SALOMON 28, married, Manager (Music), b Kiel, Germany, British Subject
Boarder: Carrie SALOMON 19, married, b Islington, London (b abt 1881)

1907 MARRIAGE: Max Wulf SALOMON & Hilda Maud ASHBY, Lambeth, 1907

1911, Max (38), Maud (34) and Alphonse {8} & Martin (1)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XW57-CK1
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XW57-C2M
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XW57-CTL
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XW57-CTG
The 1911 says he was a Naturalised US Citizen.

The son: Alphonse Wulff SALOMON was born in 1902, Registered in Pancras.
5 years before Max married Hilda Maud ASHBY.

CENSUS 1921:  Springfield, Kings & Queens Counties, New Brunswick, Canada: 
Head: Levi SCHOFIELD 41, M2, b NB, parents b NB
Wife: Kathryn SCHOFIELD 50, b NB,  father b NB, mother b England
--- Son ----: Alphonso SALAMON is age 19, S, b England, Father b Denmark, mother b NB, Imm 1918

Kathryn…. A pet form for this name is 'Carrie". But the ages don't match at all for her to be the woman in 1901. I can't work out all the wording of Alphonse's relationship to Levi - the son bit is clear, but there's more! It say's Alphonse's Father was born Denmark though…. this does makes sense.  Kiel is in Schleswig Holstein, which was under the rule of Denmark at points of history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiel

New Brunswick BMD
Can't find Kathryn's birth but can find her marriage to Levi, and her death.
http://archives.gnb.ca/Search/VISSE/Default.aspx?culture=en-CA

MARRIAGE: 22 Sep 1909, St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Groom: Levi N SCHOFIELD, 30, b Kings Co, NB, Bachelor, Clerk, Baptist:
Parents: John R SCHOFIELD & Drucilla WRIGHT
Resident of Portland Maine, USA

Bride: Rosella Kate ORCHARD 42, b Queens Co, NB, Single, Baptist
Parents: John C ORCHARD & Phoebe BRIGGS
Resident of Portland Maine, USA

The 1909 marriage indicates both were single. However, the 1921 Canada Census indicates it was a 2nd Marriage (against Levi's name).

Kathryn Rose SCHOFIELD, died 11 Jan 1941 age 73yrs, 23 months & 18 days
Born Queens Co., New Brunswick 24 Oct 1867,
Died Midland, Springfield, Kings, New Brunswick
Married, husband: Levi SCHOFIELD
Father: John ORCHARD, b England
Mother: Phoebe, ms BIGGS, b New Brunswick
Informant: Husband.
Buried Midland Cemetery 13 Jan 1941

She is in the 1881 Canadian census as Rose ORCHARD, Age 14 with her parents & siblings

ALPHONSE:
1920: SS Grampian arrived St John, NB on 5 Apr 1920, out of London, England
Alphonse SALOMON 18, born London
Coming to Canada to be: a farmer, never in Canada before
Father paid for Ticket
NOK in England: Mother, Mrs Salomon, 66 Norfolk House Low……..?

1921: On Manifest to cross into USA (St Albans, Vermont) from NB, Canada in December 1921
Debarred as a Criminal, :  Alphonse SALOMON, 19, Labourer, single, b London, England, Race: Heb:Eng. Last Permanent Residence: Norton NB
Nearest Relative Whence came:
Father Max SALOMON, 1 Suffolk House, Wixon?, London, England
Destination: Portland, Maine, to sister, No Address.

8 Nov 1905
Max SOLOMON age 33 applied, as a Naturalised Citizen of the US,  for a new US Passport at the US Embassy in London - for himself and for his minor son, Alphonse who was born London on 31 May 1901 (sic, it was 1902 & a later application gave the right year)  Max declared his own DOB: 12 May 1872, Kiel, Germany and declared he had immigrated to the US in 1888, residing  in New York from 1888 to 1899, and was Naturalised there in 1894. He had last travelled to  the UK from NY in mid May 1905. He also applied for US Passport in 1889 and in 1903.

I was hoping to track down a marriage of Max to 'Carrie" but no luck......

Cheers
AMBLY


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Re: Max Salomon born Kiel Germany c 1873
« Reply #6 on: Friday 18 April 14 18:39 BST (UK) »
Daniel F Johnson's New Brunswick Newspaper Vital Statistics
February 13 1894
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Miss R. Kate ORCHARD, who has been spending a five week vacation at her old home, Lakeview, left Monday last for Portland, Maine, where she has been for the last six years.

Which I think would make her this Kate:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMLX-RHW
Confirmed as in 1910 her and Levi are living with/visiting the same Sarah:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MR39-RWZ
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Re: Max Salomon born Kiel Germany c 1873
« Reply #7 on: Friday 18 April 14 19:26 BST (UK) »
Max's eldest son, Alphonse Wulff Saloman, died in Ogwr, Mid Glamorgan, b.31/5/1902, d.Dec.1983.

As with marriage certificate (stating Max's fathers name), birth certificate of Alphonse would clearly show exactly who his mother was.

I don't think there can be any real progress on this unless these certificates are purchased.

The latest census would clearly indicate that Alphonse was Max's son by a former wife.

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Re: Max Salomon born Kiel Germany c 1873
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 April 14 06:30 BST (UK) »
Thank You to everone who has replied and given advice and information.

I take the point about Birth and Marriage certificates,my initial thought had been about someone with knowledge of German/Jewish records (assuming Salomon is a Jewish name).

From the documents I have for Max he came to the US about 1889, arriving via Jamaica. he obtained Naturalisation papers in 1894. About 1899 Max came to the UK and was living with CARRIE UNKNOWN  in 1901 ( not sure about any marriage here)

Ambly's information on APLPHONSE c 1902 looks good and seems to opens up several avenues including
(a)  Alphonse had a criminal record
(b) His home contact was his mother, had Max left the marriage?
(c)  Reference to a sister seems to imply there was an earlier relationship for MAX in the US. This could be the reason Max made a return trip to New York from the UK in 1915.
All very intriguing
Thank you all
NormanE