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Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« on: Sunday 13 July 14 15:32 BST (UK) »
Looks like I've picked a wrong 'un here!

I'm doing some fam-hist for my step-dad and I know that he has some illegitimacy in his family (starting with his father!) but the further back I go on another side, the more puzzling it becomes!

Long story short, I'm currently looking at Jessie Mary CANNON (his great-granny) and her exploits in 1891 and 1901.

I have no idea where she was in 1881, but in 1891 she is lodging with William HALL at 5 Dibbs Square, Wakefield. In the house with her are her three children: Emily CANNON, William CANNON and Alfred CANNON.

By 1901 she is living with new husband (married Jun 1/4 of 1899 in Wakefield) John ELLIS at 17 Saville Street, Wakefield (just around the corner apparently) still with Emily CANNON (declared as step-daughter) but now William and Alfred are going by the surname HALL and are also identified as step-children. To confuse things even more, there is now a 4-yrs-old Gladys HALL who is also a step-daughter!

And then there's ANOTHER child, this time - I presume!! - born to Jessie and John, Edith ELLIS who is only 1yrs old in 1901.

Am I given to believe that whilst living with William Hall, he adopted the two younger children and even gave her another one? I guess that the teenage Emily didn't want to be adopted and kept her birth name.

What do others think?  ???  :-\

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 July 14 15:37 BST (UK) »
My first thought ...

Have you checked for a marriage of William Hall and Jessie and possible death of William between 1891 and 1899?  :-\

Another possibility is that "lodger" in 1891 was incorrect and they were married.  :-\

Not much help sorry ...  :(


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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 July 14 15:38 BST (UK) »
My first thought ...
Have you checked for a marriage of William Hall and Jessie and possible death of William between 1891 and 1899?  :-\
No, simply because she married John Ellis as Jessie Mary CANNON, not Hall.

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 July 14 15:40 BST (UK) »
Jessie Mary Cannon age 36 married Samuel John Francis Ellis and stated she was a Spinster - father Thomas Cannon occ Grocer
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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 July 14 15:44 BST (UK) »
Emily's birth registered as Cannon
Sep qtr 1881 
Cannon    Emily       
Wakefield    9c   46

Possibly William
Dec qtr 1888   
William Hall Cannon
Wakefield    9c   61

and Alfred
Mar qtr 1891 
Alfred Hall    Cannon    Wakefield    9c   62

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 July 14 15:45 BST (UK) »
Jessie Mary Cannon age 36 married Samuel Ellis and stated she was a Spinster - father Thomas Cannon occ Grocer
Really?
I have Jessie Mary Cannon married John Francis Ellis Jun 1/4 1899 in Wakefield.
All of the children's names fit perfectly in the 1891 and 1901 censuses.

I'm pretty sure that you have the wrong one.

MT ;)
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PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area
SEDMAN in Scarborough, Scalby, Everley and Hackness
BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull
DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
ROSS in Edinburgh and outlying districts

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 July 14 15:46 BST (UK) »
The birth certificate of Gladys might answer a couple of questions - trouble is, I can't see a birth for a Gladys Hall around 1897 on Freebmd. Makes me wonder if her surname is Cannon ...
scrap that - I had settings wrong. Will check again ...  :-[

(not saying this is the case here, but women can and do remarry using maiden surnames rather than their married name)

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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 July 14 15:48 BST (UK) »
Jessie Mary Cannon age 36 married Samuel Ellis and stated she was a Spinster - father Thomas Cannon occ Grocer
Really?
I have Jessie Mary Cannon married John Francis Ellis Jun 1/4 1899 in Wakefield.
All of the children's names fit perfectly in the 1891 and 1901 censuses.

I'm pretty sure that you have the wrong one.


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Sorry I have amended the post, no excuse really but it was a feint copy I was reading  ::)
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Re: Cannon? Hall? Ellis? What is going on?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 July 14 15:48 BST (UK) »
Rosie's stuff looks good!
If I knew where she was in 1881 that might help.
I'm guessing that she might be lodging with William Hall ...

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Researching ...
PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area
SEDMAN in Scarborough, Scalby, Everley and Hackness
BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull
DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
ROSS in Edinburgh and outlying districts

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk