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Re: Bodycote, Noon, Sibson - Leicester St Leonard and St Margaret
« Reply #18 on: Monday 16 April 12 23:23 BST (UK) »
There is a Charlotte 1861 in Penn. with a younger Joseph Bodycot

but there is a viewable Joseph Bodycot death certificate on the IGI birth c1830 death 1904
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Moore, Leicestershire
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Kendrick, Leicestershire
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Re: Bodycote, Noon, Sibson - Leicester St Leonard and St Margaret
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 17 April 12 16:30 BST (UK) »
I've got some Noons in a tree I've been idling away at -- and there are siblings Charlotte and Lydia Noon in this tree too. But looks like a different generation - b 1830's-50s. WIll have to dig some more!

-- oh, just dug some more, Willsy yhm
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Re: Bodycote, Noon, Sibson - Leicester St Leonard and St Margaret
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 17 April 12 16:45 BST (UK) »
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Charlotte had a sister Lydia and a couple of generations down Lydia's line, a Noon married my great aunt Elizabeth Warren. it gets a bit complicated with Lydia's surname too!
My cousin has covered that side and he has nothing more for the Sibson's.













Which Charlotte and Lydia do you mean?

The Lydia Noon who was b 1852, I have as marrying Joseph Garner and can't see any surname confusion.
Her sister Charlotte was b 1835 so too young to be the Charlotte who went to USA. This is the Noon line that links (I think) with Willsy's gt-aunt Elizabeth Warren; L+C's brother, William, had a son Alfred Walton Noon.

I have covered this line of Noons rather superficially back to 1811ish and I've got no Sibsons or Bodycotes either, though haven't dug deeply. I might do so over the next couple of days now that my curiosity has been re-piqued!

Because I haven't got the above info backed up with certs etc, I'm open to corrections if I've got it wrong   ;D
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Re: Bodycote, Noon, Sibson - Leicester St Leonard and St Margaret
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 17 April 12 19:36 BST (UK) »
The Charlotte I am talking about is the one from the 1841 census here, she had a sister Lydia. I was looking around 1841 and 51 to see how they all tied in to see if it would help unravel anything
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Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
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Re: Bodycote, Noon, Sibson - Leicester St Leonard and St Margaret
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 17 April 12 19:43 BST (UK) »
Back to Joseph and a possible India link.

IGI has the marraige of Elizabeth Beckwith to Joseph Bodycott in Calcutta, 1 May 1820
There are then the baptisms of Charles (1821, Berhampore, Bengal) and Amelia (1822, Fort William,Bengal) to a similarly named couple.

The Elizabeth Bodycott in Leic in the 1851 census is age 45, married but with no husband around, and born Madras. The 1871 and 1881 censuses bear this out; in 1881, she was in Leic union workhouse, age 77. There is a burial in Welford Rd of Elizabeth Bodycott age 81, from the workhouse, in Nov 1884.
Unfortunately she seems to have been buried in a common grave,so no clues there.

Is the OP still around? If so - how do you know that Amelia b 1827 in Mansfield was Joseph's illegitimate daughter?


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Re: Bodycote, Noon, Sibson - Leicester St Leonard and St Margaret
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 17 April 12 19:49 BST (UK) »
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The Charlotte I am talking about is the one from the 1841 census here, she had a sister Lydia. I was looking around 1841 and 51 to see how they all tied in to see if it would help unravel anything

OK - I can't see a Lydia of the right age to be this Charlotte's sister?
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Re: Bodycote, Noon, Sibson - Leicester St Leonard and St Margaret
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 17 April 12 20:02 BST (UK) »
Lydia married Samuel Walton 1833, the marriage is now on the other thread for Bodycot!

Joseph Bodicoat was a witness
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Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
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Re: Bodycote, Noon, Sibson - Leicester St Leonard and St Margaret
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 22 April 12 20:14 BST (UK) »
Apologies for my long absence and thanks for resurrecting this thread.

I have my Joseph's army record.  He joined up in 1813 at the (declared) age of 19, which gives a birth date of c 1794 and was discharged in 1823.  He served all of his time in India and the UK.  He did not go to the West Indies or West Africa.

He married Elizabeth Beckwith in 1820 in Calcutta.  Their marriage entry is silent as to the parentage of them both.  Their children, from the IGI, are Charles, born Berhampore 1821 and Amelia b 1822, who I suspect subsequently died.

If we start to look at Robert and Henry being their sons as well, logic intervenes, as well as the fact that Robert gave his father as Edward when he married, and Henry's marriage entry is silent as to his father.

When Joseph returned to England at the end of his army service, he brought Elizabeth with her, but judging by the Leicester Chronicle entry, he abandoned her and took up with another woman, with whom he had children, including, I believe, the second Amelia.

I cannot find a death for Joseph and what looks like the obvious entry is in fact the death of a child.  The St Margaret's and St Leonard's parishes of Leicester were crawling with Bodycotes of various spellings and there was certainly more than one Joseph.

Elizabeth appears on the census in menial occupations through the years, and dies in the workhouse in 1884.   The story in one line of the family is that she was actually Indian and had never even had to dress herself before she came to the UK.

I am still unsure of the parentage of Joseph, his relationship if any to Robert and Henry and the relationship between the him and the various people who shared his roof in the 1840s and 50s.



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Re: Bodycote, Noon, Sibson - Leicester St Leonard and St Margaret
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 00:09 BST (UK) »
That's all the info on the disc; perhaps if you post on the Notts board, someone will be going to the records office and will be able to look up the original entry for you.

What happened subsequently to these assorted Noons and Sibsons? And is that Joseph I see in 1841, allegedly 35 years old and living in Eaton St with Mary (age 20), Emily (12- poss Amelia?), Ann (1 month), Ann SIMSON age 40 and Charlott NOON age 25?

Have been looking at Walton again, Lydia Noon who married Samuel Walton from 1841 till 1865 lives in Eaton Street

I realised that there was only baptism mentioned, John, to John and Maria Sibson and whilst I have still been looking around, here are the other baptisms for John Noon and Maria Sibson

St Margaret's
Joseph 11 Jun 1807
William 12 Jan 1809
Charlotte 30 Dec 1810
Lydia 26 Apr 1813....a Joseph Bodycoat witness, look up from Mike, God Bless

a John Sibson marries Ann Lee St Margaret's 25 Dec 1833, would be interesting to see the witnesses on that one

It's getting late and I'm not sure if I've have really helped, so to bed...



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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives