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Re: John Jones of Jervais St. Dublin & Oldtown, Co. Kildare
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 July 14 02:04 BST (UK) »
From Cantwells 1798 Claimants (claims for the destruction of property resulting from the 1798 rebellion)

Name: John Jones
Residence: Oldtown, Kildare.
Occupation: Farmer
Place Loss Sustained    Residence
Nature Of Loss:    House, Furniture, Corn, Car, Harness
Sum Claimed: £851 17s 7d
Sum Allowed:    £827 0s 10d
Looks to be a very wealth man for the time.

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Re: John Jones of Jervais St. Dublin & Oldtown, Co. Kildare
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 July 14 04:23 BST (UK) »
Fantastic ! Thanks for all your info, Hasta.
Just goes to show that you should never assume that there's nothing to find. We are gradually building a picture of the elusive John Jones, thanks to rooschat members.

The tithe applotment records are interesting, but we can't definitely identify our J.J. at Talbotstown.
I had at first thought that he had moved there, as a small scale tenant farmer, but now it seems obvious that he was a man of some standing, living at Oldtown Co. Kildare in 1792, 1798, and most likely as late as 1809, at least. I would guess that he had sub-tenants on the leased land in Wicklow.

I looked up the tithe applotment details 1825, and found:
"Tolbatstown, Wicklow, Latter Estate and Lease Hold- Thomas Higgison & John Jones 12 acres,
26 1/3 perches."
We can't be sure that this is our J.J. though. Nor does it identify Lord Wicklow as the landlord.

The 1798 claimant is almost certainly ours, 'John Jones of Oldtown, Kildare'. It must have been a grand house that he owned. I was unable to get the details though, so perhaps you could send me the link, or the name of the site, as there are quite a few sites referring to these claims.

Thanks once again,
Ken

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Re: John Jones of Jervais St. Dublin & Oldtown, Co. Kildare
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 22 July 14 10:54 BST (UK) »
Hi There

I wonder might you get anything useful out of this book ?

http://kildare.ie/heritage/1798-Rebellion/index.asp

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Re: John Jones of Jervais St. Dublin & Oldtown, Co. Kildare
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 22 July 14 11:03 BST (UK) »
. . .

also Turtle Bunbury seems to know a lot about Oldtown - he might be worth trying to contact. I know he is on Facebook !

http://www.turtlebunbury.com/history/history_family/hist_family_deburgh.htm

Tara


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Re: John Jones of Jervais St. Dublin & Oldtown, Co. Kildare
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 22 July 14 11:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tara,
I have to admit, I still don't know where Oldtown was. It's not listed in the index.
I seem to recall there was an Oldtown in Naas, but I'm not sure.
But what I did read was pretty bloody !
Ken

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Re: John Jones of Jervais St. Dublin & Oldtown, Co. Kildare
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 22 July 14 11:23 BST (UK) »
Kenneth

The Oldtown that I know of is at Naas and is moreso known as Oldtown Demesne.

This is what I think is making it tricky to find John Jones.

Demesnes are land attached to a manor house and I'm nearly sure that DeBurgh owned Oldtown Demesne and then John Jones must have farmed part of the land for him.

This could explain why John Jones isn't showing up on any land registers or landed estates.

The claims that John made after 1798 indicate a LOT of wealth BUT could this be because he had to claim on behalf of DeBurgh HUM.

Given though that John also had a Dublin residence would indicate his own wealth too.

The article that Hasta posted for you is from Findmypast.ie (who are doing a €1 special for one months access to their Irish site - http://www.findmypast.ie/content/ie_radio)

HA I think we are inching towards some new finds but I think researching the DeBurgh's of Oldtown Kildare could get you the lead that you need.

Tara

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Re: John Jones of Jervais St. Dublin & Oldtown, Co. Kildare
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 22 July 14 11:44 BST (UK) »
The GV is later than John was alive but will give you some indication of the families in the area.

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/kildare/naas.htm

You will see the DeBurghs with Oldtown Demesne as their address and then a handful of others with Oldtown as their address (most likely those farming some of the Demesne).

I'm wondering are any of the names with Oldtown as their address, part of your family tree or maybe familiar in some way ?

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Re: John Jones of Jervais St. Dublin & Oldtown, Co. Kildare
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 22 July 14 11:55 BST (UK) »
There is quite a lot of old newspaper articles on the Sweny's on the FindMyPast site (in case you haven't used it before)

Tara