Help with a McCall family in Glasgow as of 1857

[anne_p]

I know he married Catherine, but do you have a copy of the marriage that  actually says his father was Patrick?

This man bears the hallmarks of John McCall b 23 Dec 1855 son of William McCall and Margaret Balfour.
This John McCall was a school-teacher and can be tracked on census returns from birth to 1881.
He certainly looks like the same man from the 1891 census after marrying Catherine

If you have a copy of the 1888 marriage, and it says thae father's name was Patrick, then  of course, this John McCall can also be discounted from your research.

[davidlstern]

I believe I do have that certificate, but will have to check tonight. I had the birth certificate out last night and he is listed as Patrick John Mcall, son of Patrick and Juda.

[anne_p]

David,
On your OP you stated that father Patrick ( labourer) was deceased at 1888.
The only document where this information could be found, is on the marrige of Patrick John McCall to Catherine  Vignole in 1888.

Without it, there is nothing to connect the 1857 birth certificate to the bridegrrom on the 1888 marriage.

[sancti]

There are no 1857 births registered for a Patrick John McCall/McColl on the SP birth index

[anne_p]

I agree Sancti,
The 1857 birth shows simply Patrick McCall.

My concern is that the OP has selected this birth record at random, but he also gives other info that must have come from somewhere?

This is the man that I am lookung at   
 1871
4 Dumbarton Rd Glasgow
William Mccall   61
Margaret Mccall   56
Sarah Mccall   32
John Mccall   15 b Glasgow. PUPIL TEACHER
Robert Belfow   68

1881 Melvick Inn, Reay Caithness
   John McCall   25 b Glasgow Public School Teacher
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!888. Patrick John McColl marries Catherine Vignole in London

1891 Blackburn Lancs
John Mc Call   33 B Glasgow. Elementary Head Teacher
Catherine Mc Call   33 Wife Born London
Thomas Mc Call   1
Andrew Vignole   16
Mary Vignole   15
Thomas Ratcliffe   12

1901 Tuphall Rd, Hamilton

   
Name   Age
Patrick John Mccall   43 B Glasgow. Elementary School Master
Cathrine Mccall   45   Wfe Born London
Thomas Vincent Mccall   11 son B Blackburn Lancs

[davidlstern]

First, of all, thank you again.

I apologize for not having the file with me - it is 9:00 in New York and I will not be with it again until tonight.

That said, I was looking at Patrick John's birth certificate last night (which I acquired in 2001 from the records office), and it most definitely has his name as Patrick John McCall, born Jun 20 at the address cited above, with parents Patrick McCall and Juda McCall (and that is also listed as her maiden name.

I am 99% certain that I also have the marriage certificate of Patrick and Catherine Knox from 1888, and that this is how I learned that Patrick's father was dead and that Catherine had a previous marriage and children - I will confirm that tonight. It has been a decade since I looked at it, and have only started relooking at it now due to the recent passing of both of Patrick's grandchildren. I am also pretty sure that it says Patrick John McCall.

With all that said, I can also confirm that you have the right census listings for 1891 and 1901 - so the John McCall theory is certainly a new wrinkle proven by the 1891 census. Thomas was born in July of 1889 in Blackburn, and Andrew and Mary Vignole were Catherine's children from her first marriage.

[anne_p]

I can't work this out....
Patrick McCall and MARY Hughes married in Glasgow in 1851
In 1861 they lived at:
 Dixons Square,182 Finnieston St, Glasgow[/i


All children found for this couple were born between 1856 and 1866 and appear on Family Search
As their daughter Margaret was born in Jun 1857 and appears on this return they cannot be the parents on the 1857 birth cert for Patrick John.

The address however, does seem to tie in with the OP???

[sancti]

When and where did Patrick John die?

[anne_p]

There is a possible death
Patrick John McCall b 1857, Died in 1927.
Death is found on Minor Records under Consular Returns.
Therefore this man must have died overseas.

If this is the correct death,his wife/widow and his parents names should be listed.