Blane or Blain

[charwatkin]

Husband's 3rd GGrandfather:

John Blane: b. Sandy, Bedfordshire in 1821

I have parents as Fanny (?) and Thomas Blane/Blain
One brother, James b. 1843  - am guessing he is a brother - could be a nephew. James is on 1851 census with Fanny &  Thomas

Fanny is a widow on two later census' living with John & family.

I have him on 1851 - 1901 census

Wife: Elizabeth / Betsy Williamson
Children: Charles, George, Ann, Leah,John, William, Walter, Rosa, Annie E

Looking for death date: I found one for 1901 but it gives a birth year as 1830. A year or two off would be understandable
Birth date through all census records are consistant.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!

[tazzie]

  Hi

It is possible there are 2 Fanny Blanes/Blains...
 an extracted record of Sandy shows John Blain son of Frances Blain 4 Nov 1821.
 No father noted.
 Frances her self is the unmarried daughter of Thomas and Ann Blain and baptised in Sandy in 1795.
 She lists Sandy as birth place in 1861 when with John and his family.
 The married Thomas and Frances/ Fanny are in Ware hertfordshire with son James so not brother or close relation to John.... where she lists born in Devon.
 They are also still together in 1861 indexed as Bland RG9/805 F11 P18 again listed as born in Devon.
    Tazzie

[charwatkin]

Looks like I will need to correct the Fanny/Thomas theory and your 1821 John w/Fanny extract looks like him.

Does that mean that he was 'fatherless' (am trying to put this nicely for the family!)

[charwatkin]

1851 has a Thomas & Ann Blain with a daughter Frances in Sandy, Bedforshire

hmmmm could this be her?

Are there parish records I can find anywhere to see if Frances had a child out of wedlock, named John??

[tazzie]

  Yes.....
 If he knew who he was he maybe on the marriage cert when he married Elizabeth/ Betsey. unless he's listed in parish records as reputed father.
  Seems Thomas Blain married a cousin  Ann Blain in 1794
  Hi 1851 is her yes listed as born Sandy. The "other" Thomas and Frances/Fanny become Bland on the census and she is still saying born Devon albeit various places.

  Tazzie

[tazzie]

  Hi

 the details in the actual parish records may just list him as basesborn son of Frances and give an address at the time. I cannot see them in 1841 though so where are they all hiding

  Tazzie

[charwatkin]

Now I am confused.

I had been told that John Blain/Blane was the father of Leah Blane/Blain and they were from Sandy, Bedforshire. That is why I was on this 'track'

Now, I look at my record for Leah when she is married.... Moses Adolphus Bates was her husband. Anyway, they immigrated to the U.S. in mid 1800's.

1881 census says she was born Little.... (2nd part is covered up) Gloucester

I may have to try and go back to square one with her. Try to figure out where she was born....

Sorry for the 'wild goose' chase!

[tazzie]

  Hi

 there seem to be some Leah's with the surname Brain in Gloucestershire area so could be where to look.
   Do you have her marriage cert to Moses ? that would give her father

  Tazzie

[trish1120]

Thats if you can find a Marriage
I cant on FreeBMD.

In the United States Census Leah is consistantly 9-12yrs younger than Moses.
In 1900 they have been Married 29yrs , so c 1871.
(Leah is mistranscribed as Sarah age 43, Married 29yrs!)
Leah is still alive on the 1910 Census which I cant access.
(Familysearch.Org)

1881 Census in England they are born c 1844, Longley, Glous and c 1849, Little.., Glous. (so only 5yrs difference)

So we have a range of 1849-1856 for her.

Also this may be the Marriage of the Bedford, Leah Blane/Blain;
Marriage;
06 October 1876
Moggerhanger, Bedford, England
Leah BLAIN, age 22 (birth c 1854, Father JOHN Blane
Charles FARR, age 20 (birth c 1856) Father DAVID Farr
(Source Familysearch.Org)

Some Certs need to be purchased I think, esp a Childs Birth Cert if no Marriage is found.

Trish