FREIENSENER/ Freinsener / Freiensehner

[Biker]

Hello,
I'm trying to trace the following:

Philip Freiensener, profession Master Baker, born abt 1841 in Germany (according to the 1881 census), place unknown.
Father's name Johan Freiensener.
Married Sarah A Stanton Bethnal Green, London Sept 1863.

I'm trying to trace Philip's birthplace/date.

Any help appreciated.

Regards
Jonathan

[Berlin-Bob]

Hi Jonathan,

I put freiensener in google and came up with several hits, including this one, from RootsChat:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=19605.0

A relative of yours, maybe ??

Google (my german version) also asked if I meant Freiensehner. Could your
Phillip have changed his name, lost an H at immigration ?

[Emjaybee]

A total wild card:

Rev Freiensener, Vicar of Christchurch, Barnards Green, Malvern, in the 1960's. His gradndaughter was called Belinda Dalziel.

Probably no use but such an unusual name.

[GreySquirrel]

This website on sugar bakers might be of background interest to you even if your man isn't on it:

http://www.mawer.clara.net/intro.html

[Biker]

Thanks for the replies.
Yes the other poster is a distant relative of mine 

will keep searching.

Thanks

[Biker]

Researching Freiensener (sometimes spelt Friensener).

The family I'm researching originates with Phillip Freiensener who came to England from Germany in about 1850s.  Settled in St George in the East, London from about 1850 onwards, and seem to have stayed for the most part in the East End.

Happy to hear from anyone also researching this name/family.

Regards
Jonathan

[Berlin-Bob]

Hi Jonathan,

in answer to your PM:  yes I do believe that FREIENSEHNER and FREIENSENER are the same family.

My german Google thought so too: when I entered "freiensener", it asked me if I meant "freiensehner"

Just in case you are "collecting" all and any FREIENSE(H)NER:

On the Ellis Island lists there is a

First Name: Herbert
Last Name: Freinsener
Ethnicity: British, English
Last Place of Residence: 
Date of Arrival: November 12, 1923
Age at Arrival:  21y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:     
Ship of Travel: Orduna
Port of Departure: Hamburg, Southampton, Cherbourg
Manifest Line Number: 0009

I tried some german sites, but (so far) have only found a CD with references to FREIENSEHNER (costs 45 € [that's euro, in case the €-sign doesn't show up])

"Genealogisches Handbuch bürgerlicher Familien auf CD-ROM. Quellen und Sammelwerk, mit den Stammfolgen deutscher bürgerlicher Geschlechter."
(gen. handbook of civil Families on CD-ROM. Sources and Collection, with lines of descent of german civil lineages) 

What a mouthfull !!

(presumably "civil" as in "not nobility" ?)

Entering "freiensehner" in Google found :

1) http://www.luciusnet.de/  about the Lotz family of Bakers   who have a FREIENSEHNER in their tree somewhere, but the search engine isn't working 
It's a mixture of german and english

2) this reference in rootsweb:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-DE/2000-11/0975424687

I am trying to find information about a Phillipp FREIENSENER (son of
Johann?) and his German ancestors. He appears to have arrived in
England around 1861-3 and was born around 1841 and the 1881 census
shows him being German. I am unable to find this exact same surname
anywhere else, although there do appear to be a number of
FREIENSEHNER's in Germany, and a town FREIENSEEN. Any thoughts on how
to trace his family in Germany?

Frohes Jagd !

[Berlin-Bob]

Found some more, this time IGI:

1. GEORG FREIENSEHNER - International Genealogical Index / GE
Gender: Male Marriage: 23 MAY 1780 Evangelische Und Militar, Pirmasens, Pfalz, Bayern
 
 2. CONRAD FREIENSEHNER - International Genealogical Index / GE
Gender: Male Birth: 02 NOV 1793 Evangelisch, Gross Felda, Oberhessen, Hessen
 
... and Darmstadt is in Hessen !!

[Biker]

Thanks for this Bob, obviously your geographic knowledge of Germany comes in very useful!  I had noticed those two IGI entries, but were not sure how they might 'fit'.

I have also found a Freiensehner family on the 1881 to 1901 census in London, so wondering if this is a related family.  The head (as I mentioned in a PM) is William and appears to be a contemporary of Philip my GGG Grandfather, and they are both Bakers.  The Darmstadt as place of birth for William may be a good lead on discovering the birthplace of Philip which is only ever mentioned as Germany on all his documentation.

Thanks again for this
Jonathan

p.s. to an Administrator - I wonder if this thread should be merged and put into the Freiensener One Name Study I set up ??

J