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Re: James Moulding - Leicester puzzle
« Reply #54 on: Friday 14 November 14 00:13 GMT (UK) »
I am sure that Benjamin and James must be the same person.  In 1841 he appears to be James Wade, in 1851 he is Benjamin Brown, in 1861 he is Benjamin Wade and in 1871 and 1881 he is back as Benjamin Brown.

The hybrid in 1861 has got to be key there - surely.

The records office seems a good bet.  The Workhouse records might be interesting!

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Re: James Moulding - Leicester puzzle
« Reply #55 on: Friday 14 November 14 00:16 GMT (UK) »
For the sake of completeness, this might be Elizabeth Moulding's brother Thomas's grave

Welford Rd   R   2860      

MOULDING   WILLIAM   1868   SEP   30   43   BEDFORD STREET   SAINT MARGARET   
MOULDING   THOMAS   1876   JUL   5   59   LEICESTER UNION HOUSE   SAINT MARGARET   
NORTH   SAMUEL   1890   FEB   4   5MTHS   ALL SAINTS ROAD   SAINT NICHOLAS
MEBBERSON   JOSEPH   1915   APR   9   72   THE WORKHOUSE   LEICESTER
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: James Moulding - Leicester puzzle
« Reply #56 on: Friday 14 November 14 09:21 GMT (UK) »
One qualm ---


If James Moulding was the son of James Wade, and James Wade became Benjamin Brown, and the family lived together until the 1861 census --

--wouldn't James have put his father's name down on his wedding certificate?
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: James Moulding - Leicester puzzle
« Reply #57 on: Friday 14 November 14 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Yes I agree - James Moulding not including a fathers name on his marriage to Emma Lee is a little perculiar although the facts, whilst circumstantial appear to add up to James Wade being the father - James being his first name (as father's?), there being a GRO reference for a birth of a James Wade in Dec Q 1841 and there being a baptism in 1846 of a James Moulding Wade.

I will look to get some certificates to see if that will sort it out...

In the meantime, it looks like i am still missing census returns for James Moulding from 1871, 1891 and 1901 (assuming the 1910 death is correct).  Clearly he could be listed under a number of alias' - James Moulding (or variants such as Molding), James Wade and James Brown.  I would like to find those if possible for completion.

Also in the potential 1881 census, James Moulding is living with a 'wife' Elizabeth and a daughter Florence.  Is there a marriage associated with this (Moulding/Brown or Wade) and a registration for the daughters birth, or have they just shacked up?  This may have finally pushed Emma over the edge to her subsequent bigamous marriage to William Dixon.  From all the newspaper reports James was not a very nice person and the attack on Emma in 1873 was a particularly nasty case of domestic violence and she was probably pregnant at the time with the first Ellen Moulding.

Many thanks for your continuing help.

TB


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Re: James Moulding - Leicester puzzle
« Reply #58 on: Friday 14 November 14 18:23 GMT (UK) »
How about this one in 1891

James Brown, age 46, married, boarder, bricklayer, from Leicester, lodging with the Harvey family in Harrow, Middlesex

RG12; Piece 1040; Folio 39; Page 36
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: James Moulding - Leicester puzzle
« Reply #59 on: Friday 14 November 14 19:29 GMT (UK) »
That looks possible - but anything is plausible with this family.

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Re: James Moulding - Leicester puzzle
« Reply #60 on: Friday 14 November 14 19:39 GMT (UK) »
By the way, there are a couple of possible baptisms for our friend James Wade:

WADE   JOSEPH & JANE   1821   25-Dec   ST MARGARET'S           JAMES


WADE   WILLIAM & SARAH   1820   19-Jan   ST MARY'S     JAMES

I can't see any possible baptisms for Benjamin Brown but the censuses do suggest he was born in Wigston so I wouldn't expect him to be baptised in the city centre (my CD just covers the Leicester churches, not the suburban or county churches).

Perhaps someone else with have Wigston records to hand.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)