Bertram/mcdonald

[gerry65]

Hi
        Does anyone have any information on my GG Grandmother Agnes(Binnie) Bertram, born Glasgow 15/6/1855, died Alva 24/10/1918. She married a Hugh McDonald, who died in Glasgow 1899. Would be interested in news of their many children and in particular  birth and death details of her mother Robina Sharp and father John Bertram. She was also married to a John Leyden who died in Glasgow around 1912.

Gerry

[diddymiller]

in 1871 census Agnes aged 15 was a domestic servant at the Andersonin university in Glasgow.

1861: 8 Garscadden St, Glasgow
John Bertram        34   upholstrer journeyman  b. Dunsire,Lanark
Binney S Bertram  34                                      b. Bathgate, Linlithgowshire
Margaret Bertram  11                                      b.Glasgow
John Bertram         9                                           "
Agness Bertram      6                                           "

1851:  6 Drygate Lane, Glasgow
John Bertram       24 upholstrer
Binney Berham     24
Margaret Berham  8 Mo

marriage: John Berham, upholstrer of Glasgow & Robina Sharp berham residing there married 23 June 1849.
(Source SP)

Diddy

[diddymiller]

Baptism:
11/09/1825
BERTRAM  JOHN
JOHN BERTRAM/AGNES BERTRAM
DUNSYRE  /LANARK

source SP - you can look at the full record on SP. probably find Robinas bap there as well. you will need to buy credits to see records but indexes are free.

Diddy

[gerry65]

 Thanks for help.
I already have most of that information, but can,t for the life of me find much about Robina Sharp on SP, especially her birth and death details. (found the one born in Kirkcudbbright, but she isn,t the one)
On their daughter Agnes Bertram,s birth cert it states that John and Robina where married on 29th June 1849 in Cathlaw house, near Linlithgow. However, in the Family search records it shows them being married on 23 june 1849 in Glasgow. Robina,s maiden name is down as Bertram. Its all a bit confusing.

Regards Gerry   

[bleckie]

Hi Gerry

What you could be seeing on family search is the calling of "Banns"

These were posted in the parishes of both bride and groom and no necessarily at the same time hence the 2 dates.

Have you had a look at the entry on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Have you seen this one

21/07/1822 SHARP ROBINA WILLIAM SHARP/MARGARET PORTER FR376  KIRKCUDBRIGHT /KIRKCUDBRIGHT

yours aye
BruceL

[gerry65]

Thanks Bruce,
 I have found the Robina Sharp in Kirkcudbright, but can find no connection with her and John Bertram. All census data puts my Robina Sharp,s her birth place as Bathgate, Linlithgow. I can find no mention of her birth on Scottish people or anywhere else, maybe her birth was never registered. Its also strange that I can,t find death details of Robina and John Bertram. On wedding details her name is given as Robina Sharp Bertram, but I don,t think her maiden name is Bertram. One other strange point is that on her daughter Agnes Binney Bertram,s death certificate her mother,s maiden name was given as Mitchell. Its all very confusing.
Thanks for help Gerry

[ev]

Hi Gerry

Have you looked at this on SP -

Binnie Sharp(forenames) , Bertram(can't get other surname) death 1869 Lanark , born c1825

ev

[gerry65]

Hi EV

Thanks for info, looks interesting as Robina was called Binnie. I