Caroline Mary Bear b.1870

[Chooch]

Thanks Jolee and lizdb

I did look up the Warley hosp/asylum and Yes! very nice housing estate it seems too.
I have replied to this already but not sure where it's gone so will reply again, sorry if it repeats.
In 1911 Carolines mother ( none of her children with her) states she had 12 live births but three have died. I know with certainty of eleven births inc. Caroline of which two brothers have died 1887 and 1899.
So I thought Caroline could be one of the three but then that leaves baby #12? of which there is no sign and no reg for Carolines death. Could her mother have been confused and counted wrong?

I found a  death of Edith Annie Bear age 0, dec.qtr 1888 Romford reg which would be correct but no birth for such a babe so could she possibly be the 3rd, if so where is Caroline.
Although I haven't  sighted all her siblings marriages ( too many to order certificates for) no other person related can find her either, so I too have considered she may have changed her name, been really badly mistranscribed ( I have tried initials alt. names and spellings, just her Christian names)
but this young lady has us mystified.
I'm not in UK so can't get to ERO but will have to consider a sub. sooner than I had planned I think.
Thanks again for taking an interest.

[Jolee]

Just a maybe
By 1891 she would have been 21 could she also be working at the asylum, apart from jobs as maids etc they would have been a big employer around Brentwood, she may be on their census if they did one of course

[Chooch]

Hi Jolee

I did think as her father was an attendant there that might be the case but having trawled all the way through the 1891 census for the asylum no sign of her as employee or inmate.

[lizdb]

Thanks Jolee and lizdb

I'm not in UK so can't get to ERO but will have to consider a sub. sooner than I had planned I think.
Thanks again for taking an interest.

I dont think a sub to Essex Ancestors on SEAX will give access to the sort of records we were referring to, only to Parish Records. (Though that is pretty good, as most counties you have to rely on what other sites have transcribed, which usually isnt complete! At least with SEAX you look through the PRs in total.)
My interest is just because I am in the area - drove up Warley Hill and past the end of Woodman Road only this morning!

[Chooch]

Brentwood Council have no details for her burial, but then we can't find a death so it looks more and more  like she has been transcribed badly or as you say possibly gone as a missionary or something similar. Strange! the only one of the family to disappear like that

[nannyj]

Caroline Mary bear was baptised in great warley apr 11 1875 at the same time as her brother Arthur William? Perhaps there was an earlier Caroline who died?
So far have found Ellen Louisa baptised 1880 (also has private burial in margin), Arthur Ernest (also written Ernest Arthur on marriage record) born 1872, George Edward baptised 1877 (fits with marriage age) frank Albert baptised same day as George, another Ellen Louisa baptised 1881 (found marriage that says she was born 1877, Sydney Herbert and Albert baptised same day as Ellen Louise, Herbert James baptised 1885. There's also a Frederick John who is born 1867 according marriage age. Has Robert as father.
That's eleven children, ten of whom were baptised in great warley.
There's no death register for there sadly.
Could only find marriages for Ellen, Frederick, Ernest Arthur and George Edward. No Caroline on witness signatures.

[nannyj]

And Harriet and Robert from the 1871 census born approx 1864 and 1865. Mother Sarah was very young having them!

[Chooch]

Hello nannyj

Yes mother Sarah was young when having the first babe which was Robert born 1863 when she was 19 yrs old and  who along with Harriet was born in London.
You have however solved the 12 births I think because we didn't know about the Ellen Louisa bpt 1880.
Thank you so much for all your hardwork, our Caroline is such a mystery but we will keep searching for her.
Please, are the baptisms from SEAX with dates if so I will try and find them.

Thank you so much for all your help and hardwork

Chooch.

[Chooch]

Well! that will teach me to have another cup of coffee before jumping on the computer in the morning won't it?
First off all I meant to type 18yrs for Sarah (not 19) and of course Ellen Louisa would be one and the same b. Dec. Q 1878 so bpt. 1880? and is consistent with census, but Ellen died 1961 so would a 'private burial' be noted by the side of her baptism?
I've only found one Caroline Mary Bear and that is the one who is b.1870 and with her mother 1871-1881.

Sorry for my silly mistake and thanks again .