[ Editing this retrospectively: In this post I had thought Elizabeth Brice nee James had died in 1814 and her birth year to be about 1765, but please see in a later posting in this thread, Deb's discoveries & evidence to the contrary, that:
(1) Elizabeth Brice nee James did not die in 1814 as I had thoguht but was still alive at least till 1851, and
(2) Evidence is that Elizabeth's age is younger than I had thought, being born around 1776 rather than 1765..
Capt Will 17.10.2010 ]
Will ....
When you come back could you give us details on William Brice the Captain .. wife, kids etc etc
Thanks
Deb
Hi again Deb and Darwin.
I think Deb you have found the dates of birth of those uncertain siblings of Capt William Brice..
I too am a bit mystified. I see that James Brice among them was born in 1755. That is the same year we have for William Brice.
Could they be twins?
[Edited out my other speculation re it being alternate names since we know both they were two individuals 17.10.2010]
As for William Brice's age of marriage, it's not very old really.
William's wife Elizabeth James was also ten years younger. He was 47 when married and she was 37.
Elizabeth James was born in Devon. Her father John James was from "Lyme" in Dorset.
I note that William's sister Austice -- or "Anstic" b.1753 as it is on the note you found -- also married a man whose surname was James (see the will of John Brice in updated earlier entry), and speculate they could be of the same James family.
William Brice in the late 1700's and his brother Richard Brice went to Guernsey.
Both bought properties there about 1799. Richard bought a farm and William bought a house in St Peter Port. William operated his ship out of St Peter Port. It seems the family were significantly involved in marine matters.
William and Richard both married nurses from Devon who were working in Guernsey at Saint Sampson hospital.
Younger Richard married Mary Luscombe of Devon (married in Guernsey) in 1799, when Richard was then 34 years of age.
William, ten years older than Richard, also married a nurse, Elizabeth James, of Devon, married in Guernsey, in 1802, by which time William was 47 and Elizabeth was 37.
William had three sons, Richard had two sons and one daughter.
Interestingly both William Brice and his wife Elizabeth James died in 1814, according to my records, and so I presume this was some calamity. He was 59 and she was 49.
[[ Capt Will edits: the above is now shown to be incorrect. ]]
When William and his wife died, at least one of the boys, the middle one, was under the legal guardianship of their uncle Richard. One could surmise they came under the same roof.
William's 2nd son John James Brice, b.1807, married his first cousin, Maria Brice, b.1810, the only daughter & third child of his uncle Richard Brice who was his guardian.
John James Brice and Maria had four children, and in 1850 they all migrated in the ship the 'Posthumous' to Port Adelaide, South Australia.
[ Editing: I clarify that this is based on identifying a family Mr Bruce and wife and four children" on that ship, and the supposition that it is a misprint. After extensive search finding no trace, yet with collaborative confirmation of their migration that year, this fits and I feel confident it is correct (it was a misprint: it was Mr Brice and wife and four children).]
The book 'Guernsey Emigrants to Australia 1828-1899" by David Kreckler also mentions briefly the migration of John James Brice, his wife Maria, and four children in 1850, but that author did not discover the ship. However a cousin of mine recently found it.
They joined the gold rush that started in Victoria in 1852 (2 yrs after emigrating - good timing) and had a hill named after them "Brice's Hill" in the Victorian goldfields in the 1850's.
Various of the other descendants of the two brothers William and Richard Brice were involved in work related to the port and shipping.
Richard's first son (William, b.1801) married Charlotte Grut of the Channel Islands. One of their sons was a James Grut Brice who was an able seaman and did lots of voyages (found them on ship crew lists) such as to Rio and India and including Melbourne, Australia, in the 1850's.
Capt William Brice's 1st son William Henry Brice married Elizabeth Duckham in 1825. They had at least 9 children.
One of their children was Frederick James Brice who was the harbourmaster in St Peter Port in Guernsey.
One of his sons, John Symons Brice, b. 1861, was evidently drowned while working on the Brig Flossie of Guernsey, fell from the maintopsail on March 27, 1879.
Another of the sons, Edwin Brice, co-signed the greffier's notebook along with another Mate.
A grandson of the harbourmaster, Walter Brice born around 1870, in the Channel Islands, roughly seems to fit with possibly being the same Walter Brice who was an a crew member on the Titanic in 1912, a survivor whose interview at the Senate enquiry can be googled, and is quite interesting. This is just my speculation.
Will post this then think about some more.