William John Boyce

[linde]

Dear Listers,
For the last 14 years I have had a "brickwall" and not sure about the one that I have
sort of "claimed" as my husband's.
The previous 10 years I had requests on the English Genforum. Then someone sent me
a death notice of WJB from 1888 and it mentioned: DEVON PAPERS PLEASE.  So I am
presuming this is where he came from.

Will start from when he was living in South Australia and marrying a MARY TABRAHAM
HAWKES 1st Oct 1862...They had 9 children, Mary died 31/10/1883, the youngest child
Lottie May was born 1881.  By the 7th oct 1884 WJB had married again a Ann Hall (nee Scott)
she was a widow with a number of children.
William John Boyce ended up working in Broken Hill, NSW have not been able to trace any
details.  He apparently died 20/09/1888, burried as a Pauper age 53 years.
Would appreciate any help that you could give me.

Once Devon was mentioned had a number of Researchers on the Devon Genforum suggest
that the WJB was the child of Sarah Andrews born 6 April 1834... who later that year had
married a William John Boyce.
I have not been able to find him on any ship coming to Australia by 1862. Have tried WA
of course SA and Victoria. Have tried various spellings as well.

Then even thought he might have come out under Andrews but no success.
Would love to either find the right family for WJB or "claim" Sarah Andrews born c1815 as
his mother.
many thanks,
Sieglinde, Australia.

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I see that on both marriage records William says his father is also William.

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Possible death registration. Do you have this death certificate?
William J Boyce
Died 1888
Registered 1888 at Broken Hill, New South Wales
Registration Number - 13958

Looking at William Boyce in the 1841 HO107 piece 238 book 15 folio 21 page 37 and 1851 census HO107/1877/140/53  he is with his grandparents John and Mary Andrews as William Boyce age 7 and then in 1851 with his grandfather John a widower and an Elizabeth Boyce aged 13 plus a couple of Barker grandchildren. Do you know any more about this Elizabeth?

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You may have all of this but it is giving us some background, this is the only Elizabeth I can find in 1841. I haven't followed John and Mary in 1851 yet.
HO107 piece 213 book 10  folio 4 page 2
Townstal, Devon
John Boyce 45 aglab
Mary Boyce  40
Samuel Boyce  8
Geor Boyce  6
Eliz Boyce  3
Maria Boyce  1
All born in county

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1851 HO107/1873/364/5
Higher St
John Boyce 56 farm labourer Charleton, Devon
Mary 53 wife Stokefleming, Devon
Maria 10 dau Stokefleming, Devon
Edwin 8 son Townstall Devon

I would be wanting to know the maiden name of mary to see if it is Andrews to tryand determine if Elizabeth and William J are brother and sister or cousins. If Willam J is the son of Sarah Andrews as you surmise then did two sisters marry two Boyce brothers?

Edwin's birth reg is on FreeBMD Sept 1/4 1842 reg district Totnes vol9 page 464. That would show his mother's maiden name.

On familysearch.org a Sarah Andrews married a William Boyce in 1835. Also on there is a marriage for a William John Boyce in 1838 but the possible brides are not an Andrews

[linde]

Dear Listers,
I am so touched by your quick replies.
First of all...yes...I had been aware that at the 2 marriages of William John Boyce...it had
listed as his father also a William.
And yes..I do have his death certificate. Before I got it people were raving on about how much
information there was on it...but not on WJB.
Where it said: how long in the Colony, which would have helped me with his arrival there was
nothing.  Also no name of his wife. It just said he was born in England.

If Sarah Andrews was his mother, then Elizabeth the grandchild listed was WJB sister.
She married March Quarter 1861 a Richard Emmet Totness District. Rattery.
Also on the 1861 census it shows her and new husband living with WJB Senior at Rattery.

William John Boyce Senior had been the son of Joseph Boyce apparently born in
Cork Ireland??

As far as I know Sarah Andrews only had another sibling which was a sister Mary.
Mary Andrews was married to Thomas Barker/Barter and her two children were also staying
with their grandfather in the 1841 census.
On Mary's wedding register - as a witness was Sarah Boyce this could have been her sister.
The Barker wedding was Dec. 1835.

As I mentioned before I have not a single thread which brings it all together.
Would you mind having another look at the second wedding listed for 1838 and send it to me.
Many thanks,
Sieglinde.

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Hi
The 1838 marriage is on family.search.org and on FreeBmD but the bridegroom's name is William John Boye. which in my eagerness I saw as Boyce and that is what it says on the typed image but whether that is what is written in the original parish register?  familysearch.org do have a service now where you can order a copy of the parish record by email. https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services

Need to look for a William Boye in the 1841 census

I only have access to the index for the second marriage of WJB to Ann Hall

William John Boyce
Father - William Boyce
Spouse - Ann Hall
Spouse's father - Benjamin Scott
Married 7  October 1884 Adelaide
Registered Adelaide, SA
vol 141 page 157

Who was the informant on WJB's death certificate?

[linde]

By the way forgot to mention that on WJB death certificate it asked for mother's maiden
name..which had also been left as a blank.

The informant had been Matron E. Burklia, he may have been in a coma and not able
to give any details.  He had been admitted to the Broken Hill Hospital.
It has been a puzzle for so many years...and I may never find out, unless someone
related to him replies to this site.
Sieglinde.

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Just a small point, the marriage parish register for the marriage of William and Sarah Andrews does not have John as his middle name and he is always William on the census
Just sorting all this out in my mind. Do you have William snr in 1841?
Do I have the right man in these censuses?
1851 he is a Widower with a dau Sarah Cattern Boice (sic) and Richard John. Their birth reg are on FreeBMD so who is their mother?
1852 Totnes reg dist. which includes Rafferty
1861 census with William Boyce and wife Elizabeth - another marriage for WB in September 1/4 1852 Totnes reg dist. which includes Rafferty.
Assuming this is WJB's (born c 1835) father then he supposedly married Sarah Andrews in 1835 after she gave birth to William John Andrews in 1834 who after the marriage was known by the name Boyce. Do you know when she died?

Where was the instruction to the Devon newspapers to publish his death?

Have to leave it for now