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Migration Workers 1860's from Norfolk to Yorkshire HALL & HOWMAN
« on: Saturday 16 August 08 23:52 BST (UK) »
Hi
Is there any documentation of Migrant Workers, in particular Ag Labs, from Norfolk to Yorkshire.  ??? I have connectons with both areas, one I live E. Yorkshire, my GG Grandfather Robert Hall came to Holme on Spalding Moor sometime between 1861 and 1868 from Reepham, Aylsham, Norfolk. He married Ellen St Paul of HOSM and they lived their lives out in HOSM.
How did MW's find the money to travel if not in work or indeed very lttle money??
Did the Poor Law Unions help to relocate the jobless??
Where did they live in the new area??
Was there Organisations like the church that helped folk move to areas for work, be given accommodation and find work???
It fascinates me how folk moved around finding work.
Norfolk was a vast area of Ag Labs and when mechanisation came into being, there was revolts, folk lost their jobs due to new methods of machinery, when it was a case of living hand to mouth normally,   :-[   life just got harder so folk had to move on for work.
There is documentation to say that wages in Yorkshire were far better than in Norfolk, also many Norfolk men and families travelled to Bedlington, Northumberland to work in the mines.
Can anyone help please.
Bendywendy
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Migration Workers 1860's from Norfolk to Yorkshire
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 August 09 18:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Bendywendy,

Know this reply is a year after you posted but have only recently started doing my family tree along with an uncle.

Have tracked my grandmothers father's family down to Norfolk and a Robert Ainger Howman (1812) came to Hull after his wife Caroline Tungate (1831) died.  He had 3 children at this stage.  Whilst in Hull he had two more George J. Howman (1875) and Joseph Howman(1877) - my Great Grandad.  In the 1881 Census both George and Joseph have been taken back to Great Ryburgh, however, in the 1891 Census Robert is back in Hull with George, Joseph and daughter Leah (1872 - Great Ryburgh) and a Grandson George H (1890) born in Hull.  I presume Leah is his mother.

I haven't as yet been able to track the mother(s) of George or Joseph.  If anyone can help with this I would appreciate it.

They were living at 17 Howards Row which I believe was in the Chapman Street area of Hull.  It had 20 4 room houses in it and about 300 people occupied these  :o (mostly Irish).  Just makes you realise how much we have all got today!!


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Re: Migration Workers 1860's from Norfolk to Yorkshire
« Reply #2 on: Monday 24 August 09 19:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Rheme
I will sit down later and read your post in more depth and see if I can help in any way. Can you say where you live, it would make it easier to point you in the right direction for further research. I live in E. Yorks.
It took me nearly two years just to track down my GGG Grandfathers baptism let alone his family, the problem with Norfolk is alot of smaller Parish's have not had their registers transcribed and put on the websites, which is the problem I have at present.
Bendywendy
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Migration Workers 1860's from Norfolk to Yorkshire
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 10:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Rheme
I am having difficulty posting personal messages to your inbox, if you have got my message regarding my email account please contact me. But I will post some info on here for the benefit of others reading this post.

1881 cen @ Great Ryburgh Nfk 1341478 RG11 1984/62   15   www.familysearch.org
Robert Howman Head  45  Ryburgh   Ag Lab
Robert Howman   son   14  Ryburgh   Ag Lab
Leah Howman     dau     9  Ryburgh   Scholar
George Howman  son     6   Hull         Scholar
Joseph Howman   son     4    ???         Scholar

On Family Search there is a few other Howman born Ryburgh on 1881 census, could be brothers to Robert 45 above.


http://www.origins.org.uk/genuki/NFK/places/r/ryburgh_great/
Click on Baptisms and you will find Howman and Ainger Baptisms listed.

 


HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.


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Re: Migration Workers 1860's from Norfolk to Yorkshire
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 10:29 BST (UK) »
More info Rheme

www.freereg.org.uk/search

Norfolk  Great Ryburgh   St Andrew   
Marriage Date         16 Aug 1857
Groom  Forename    Robert Ainger
Groom  Surname      HOWMAN   
Groom Condition       Single
Groom Occupation     Labourer
Groom  Abode         Gt Ryburgh
Bride  Forename     Caroline
Bride  Surname      TUNGATE   
Bride Condition      Single
Bride Occupation    Labourer
Bride  Abode         Gt Ryburgh
Groom  Father  Forename    Robert
Groom   Father Surname     HOWMAN
Groom   Father  Occupation  Labourer
Bride Father Forename         James
Bride Father Surname         TUNGATE
Bride  Father  Occupation    Labourer
Witness One   Christopher  FROST
Witness  Two     Leah  HOWMAN
Notes Groom of Full Age; Groom signed his name; Bride of Full Age; Bride signed with an X; Married by Banns
FileNumber 2454

PARENTS OF ROBERT AINGER HOWMAN

Norfolk   Great Ryburgh St Andrew 
Marriage Date           15 Nov 1819
Groom Forename       Robert
Groom Surname         HOWMAN   
Groom  Condition      Single   
Bride Forename        Marianne
Bride  Surname        UTTEN
Bride Condition       Single 
Witness  One          Jonathan  BUCK
Witness  Two           Jonathan PRATT
Notes Groom signed his name; Bride signed with an X; Married by Banns
FileNumber 2454

AND PARENTS OF ROBERT HOWMAN ABOVE AND G/PARENTS OF ROBERT AINGER HOWMAN

Norfolk  Great Ryburgh  St Andrew   
Marriage  Date               05 Nov 1793
Groom  Forename           Peter
Groom  Surname            HOWMAN 
Groom  Condition           Single   
Bride  Forename             Lydia
Bride  Surname              AINGER
Bride Condition              Single 
Witness  One                 Mary BRAY
Witness Two                  Davy MITCHEL
Notes Bride signed as Liddy; Groom signed with an X; Bride signed her name; Married by Banns
FileNumber 2454
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Migration Workers 1860's from Norfolk to Yorkshire
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 11:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Bendywendy

Thank you so much for your e-mail I have picked it up.  You have given me an extra generation and explanation of where the middle name of Ainger came from, along with the people who attended weddings and witnesses, etc.  so now I am sure that the ones I have are correct.

I am currently at work so will post again tonight as have some further info re migrant workers, etc.

An answer to your question re my location - I am in the East Riding.

Funny thing is that one of my sisters moved to Dereham in Norfolk many years ago.  It appears that Great Ryburgh is just a few miles from where she lives.

Once again many thanks for your help.

rheme

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Re: Migration Workers 1860's from Norfolk to Yorkshire
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 11:14 BST (UK) »
www.freereg.org.uk   MORE CAN BE FOUND HERE

Norfolk Great Ryburgh  St Andrew  
Date Of Birth       26 Nov 1793
Baptism Date      01 Dec 1793
Forename            Robert
Father                 Peter HOWMAN
Mother                Lydia AINGER
FileNumber 2448

Norfolk  Great Ryburgh St Andrew  
Baptism Date     09 Jul 1820
Forename           George
FatheR                Robert HOWMAN
Mother                Marianne  
Father Occupation Labourer
Notes BT records mothers forename as Mariana
FileNumber 2448

Norfolk Great Ryburgh St Andrew  
Baptism  Date     04 May 1838
Forename           Joseph
Father                 Robert HOWMAN
Mother                 Mary Ann  
Father Occupation Laborer  
FileNumber 2448

Norfolk  Great Ryburgh St Andrew  
Baptism Date 03 Jan 1836  
                           Robert Ainger  (Ainger was his G/mothers maiden name)
Father                Robert HOWMAN
Mother               Mary Ann     (the spelling will differ on documents)
Father  Occupation Laborer  
FileNumber 2448

Norfolk  Great Ryburgh  St Andrew  
Baptism  Date 13 Nov 1866  
                           Robert James  
Father                Robert Ainger HOWMAN
Mother               Caroline  
Father  Occupation Labourer
Notes Received 9 Mar 1870
FileNumber 2448

Norfolk  Great Ryburgh  St Andrew  
Date  Of   Birth 13 May 1867
Baptism  Date   09 Mar 1870
Forename         Charlotte Mary Ann
Father              Robert Ainger HOWMAN
Mother              Caroline
Father Occupation Labourer
FileNumber 2448

 
Norfolk  Great Ryburgh St Andrew
Baptism  Date 13 Apr 1872
Forename         Leah
Father               Robert Ainger HOWMAN
Mother              Caroline
Father Occupation Labourer
FileNumber 2448

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HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Migration Workers 1860's from Norfolk to Yorkshire
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 11:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Rheme
Got your message, glad to be of help to you.
Note, check your dates and names thoroughly, with so many Robert's it can get confusing.
The freereg site has loads of your Howman and Ainger listed.
As you live in E. Yorks, depending where in Hull your ancestors were born, the records will be either in Hull Central Library/Archives or The Treasure House, Beverley. Your sister can check the Norfolk records at Norwich Records Office or pay £10 membership for access to Norfolk Family History Soc, Kirkby House, Norwich, both sited very close together.
You mention the names George and Joseph being in Hull with Robert Ainger Howman, could these have been his brothers and not his children, you will find baptisms for same names for children of Robert Ainger Howman.
Census information can be incorrect, someone wrote the details down as they heard them, so not always as it should be spelt or what was meant. Folk were illiterate and could not check the details, they also could not remember their age or where they were born/baptised   ??? confusion can become more confusion. Don't take everything as it looks, check and double check.
Everyone needs a helping hand when starting with Family History so I am pleased to have been of help to you. I look forward to your next message.
Bendywendy

HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Migration Workers 1860's from Norfolk to Yorkshire HALL & HOWMAN
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 16:32 BST (UK) »
1851 Census
Here is Robert Ainger Howman, note all the spellings - Anger = Ainger, Honnow = Honor, Mary Ann = Marianne, Amey = ?? Amery ??, written as it was said !! ???

Head: HOWMAN, Robert         Neighbors     205091
Name   Relationship   Mar   Age    Sex   Occupation    Birthplace

Robert  HOWMAN   Head   M   57   M   Ag Lab   Gt Ryburgh-Nfk
Mary Ann  HOWMAN   Wife   M   53   F   ---   Testerton-Nfk
Caroline  HOWMAN   Daur   U   27   F   Work On Land  Gt Ryburgh-Nfk
Honnow  HOWMAN   Daur   U   23   F   Work On Land  Gt Ryburgh-Nfk
Robert Anger  HOWMAN Son   U   15   M   Ag Lab   Gt Ryburgh-Nfk
Joseph  HOWMAN   Son   U   12   M   Ag Lab   Gt Ryburgh-Nfk
Leah  HOWMAN   Daur   -   9   F   Scholar   Gt Ryburgh-Nfk
Amey James  HOWMAN GDau   -   7   F   Scholar     Gt Ryburgh-Nfk
George William  HOWMAN GSon   3   M   ---   Thursford-Nfk
Matilda  HOWMAN   GDau   -   1   F   ---   Gt Ryburgh-Nfk

   Address:   ---, Walsingham
   Census Place:   Great Ryburgh Walsingham, Norfolk
   PRO Reference:   HO/107/1826   Folio:   194   Page:   16   FHL Film:   0207480

HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.