Andrew and Thomas Jones abt. 1850

[RussJ]

Hi

I am searching for any information regarding Andrew and Thomas Jones, who travelled aboard the ship "Condor", from Liverpool to Port Philip Australia in 1850. Andrew, and probably Thomas as well, was born "near Plymouth, Devon" about 1835/37.

Any information would be greatly appreciated

RussJ

[rosie17]

Hi Ross do you have parent's names so it will help with the search 

[RussJ]

Sorry I do not have any names for parents or siblings.

RussJ

[Ladyhawk]

There's this Jones family on 1841c with a Thos & Andw

Cake House, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England
Elizth   Rickard   1766
Jno   Jones   1806 Labourer
Jane   Jones   1806
Thos   Jones   1826
Andw    Jones   1830
William           1833
apart from Elizth all born in this county

[RussJ]

Thanks for your interest.
I am aware of this family, however the documents I have all suggest that Andrew was older than Thomas by 3 or 4 years, so will need to keep looking.

thanks

RussJ

[GrannyM]

From your other recent thread
 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=699974.msg5434092#msg5434092

it would seem likely that Andrew was born in 1837, if the details he gave were correct(I would assume he would know his correct age at the time of his marriage). Had a look round all the usual sites but can't find a baptism for him. Perhaps someone with Devonshire connections may know where to look?

[Darwin]

It seems strange that two boys aged 13 and 10 would be travelling alone from Liverpool to Australia. Is there anyone else on the passenger list they might have been with?

[RussJ]

Unfortunately there is no indication on the passenger list as to who they could have been with. On one list they are listed as T & A Jones, on the other separately as Thomas Jones and Andrew Jones. I agree that they seem young to be travelling alone, but so far they are the only Thomas and Andrew Jones that I have been able to locate travelling from England to Australia between 1850 and 1860.
The information I have is that they arrived in new Zealand from England in 1861 after spending some time in Australia.

regards and thanks

RussJ

[majm]

It seems strange that two boys aged 13 and 10 would be travelling alone from Liverpool to Australia. Is there anyone else on the passenger list they might have been with?

I do not find it strange that two boys aged 13 and 10 travelled alone to Australia in that era.   I have several instances of boys coming to Australia in the 1850s, no family members with them, and with parents, aunts, uncles and other siblings, remaining in the UK.   There were gold rushes, and so the young lads came from many ports, not just UK ports, unaccompanied, and suffering 'gold fever'.

From other threads re Thomas and Andrew JONES, it is actually possible that these two brothers migrated directly to New Zealand.

Thomas JONES to New Zealand arriving 21 April 1863
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FSTC-X6N

Thomas  JONES to New Zealand arriving 10 January 1864
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FSBR-FNR

Thomas JONES to New Zealand arriving 1840
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QJDV-6PK9

Thomas JONES to New Zealand arriving 16 March 1860
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FST4-GJQ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FST4-GJ4

Thomas JONES to New Zealand arriving 21 Sept 1858
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FSTW-DWP

Thomas JONES to New Zealand arriving 6 Sept 1864
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FSBH-QNP
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FSBH-QNB


Many more JONES (both Thomas and Andrew) migration to New Zealand are available at
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=1927083

I think Russ should also consider searching for Thomas JOHNS and for Andrew JOHNS, and also consider that the 1869 death Russ has found (as per following threads on various Boards) may well be for a different chap with the very popular name of Thomas JONES.   I have been transcribing passenger lists for many years, and there are occasions where it is quite difficult to determine if the surname listed was JOHNS or JONES.   Some of the clerks handwriting is basically scribble, and afterall, if the passenger gives their surname to the clerk, while the passenger is standing and the clerk is seated, behind a table, facing a line of passengers, then the passenger needs to be able to not just read and write, but also to be able to read 'upside'.

May I also mention that many passenger lists do NOT include the names of passengers who travelled to Australia in the 1850s as steerage passengers.  Plus, there’s plenty of ships with passengers, but the lists are no longer extant.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=592116.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=699974.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=699975.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=691678.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=688723.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=591314.0 (two JONES families nearby in NZ at that time)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=599584.0

Cheers,  JM