Llew EDWARDS (ex-boxer)

[Neil Todd]

Hi Gareth, I have a vague recollection my Dad said his Brother had Boxed with Llew. Do you have his fight record? I would be very interested.
As two of my Dad's brothers Boxed I am not sure which one either (Art)
Arthur or Merv Todd

Neil

[Garethboxing]

Hi Neil,
  I have no record of Llew boxing anyone called Todd, but he may have met him in the booths, when nobody was taking notes. According to boxrec.com, the best (though far from complete, particularly for that period) website for fighters' records, both Art and Merv began their pro careers in 1924, two years after Llew's last official contest.
  Llew did tour Australia with a booth later than that, so maybe he and your uncle crossed gloves then. Alternatively, they may have sparred together.
  Sorry I can't be more helpful.
     Gareth

[majm]

Re Naturalisation.

Australian Citizenship did not commence until after WWII, and thus the naturalisation processes that existed until that time were to give foreigners the opportunity to seek BRITISH SUBJECT status.    As your chap was born a British Subject, he would not have needed to seek naturalisation to remain a British Subject living in Australia.

Briefly, 1901 Six "British Possessions" (in this specific case those possessions were the then six self-governing British colonies of QLD, NSW VIC, TAS, SA and WA) were federated in accordance with the laws of Britain and thus were known as "Australia".  They were federated into one self-governing colony, the Commonwealth of Australia, which was still a British Possession, within the British Empire.   The Australian constitution is a written document, an Act of the British Houses of Parliament and signed off by Queen Victoria.  Citizenship of Australia was not addressed in that document. 

1926 Balfour Declaration http://foundingdocs.gov.au/item-did-24.html   "Dominion Status"

1942 http://foundingdocs.gov.au/item-did-25.html "Statute of Westminster" (Australia passed retrospective legislation back-dating this statute's effective start date in Australia to Sept 1939 ie commencement of WWII)

1949 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_nationality_law#Acquisition_of_Australian_Citizenship_-_26_January_1949

Cheers,  JM

[Garethboxing]

Thanks for that explanation, JM
     Gareth

[umbrella]

I think that the above was my great uncle. his dob was 1892. White Rock, was the cottage owned by his sister, Miss Sally Edwards. I know he was a boxer, and my mother had a photo of him wearing the Lonsdale belt, but sadly the photo has disappeared. The info we got about his boxing career states that he was born in Porth, Rhonda Valley. He was actually born in Porth-y-waen, near Oswestry, Salop, so I think that is incorrect. As i am researching my Edwards family tree, I would really appreciate you sharing anyd information you have. I know he went to Australia, but did not know he also went to America and returned to Australia. I do not know anything as yet about his marriage but will research it. Incidently, do you know if it would be possible to get the photo of him wearing the belt from anywhere, i.e the boxing board.
            I hope this bit of info will be of interest to you and would be glad to receive your comments.

                                        Val Hales, Mrs. valhales: live.co.uk

[Garethboxing]

Hi Val,
  Llew appears on the following censuses:

  1901 - 41 Porthywaen, Llanyblodwel.
 Elizabeth Edwards, 46, widow, charwoman, b Whittington, Salop
   with her children:
John Thomas, 29, bricksetter
Louisa Ann, 25, general servant
William Martin, 20, bricksetter
Sarah Elizabeth, 12, scholar
Maria May, 11, scholar
Hiram Llewelyn, 9, scholar
Henry Phillip, 6, scholar
George Arthur, 3, scholar
All the children were born at Llanyblodwel

  1911 - 27 Graigwen Road, Cymmer, Porth, Glamorgan
Llew, 18, coal miner (hewer) and two of his brothers, John, 32, coal miner (hewer) and Martin, 29, stone quarryman, are among four boarders crammed into a seven-room house with miner John T. Daley, his wife Mabel and their five children
There is clear some confusion over John's age - perhaps he knocked a few years off when talking to his landlord, who filled in the census form.

 I have never seen a picture of him wearing the Lonsdale Belt. The Board of Control was not founded until 1929, while Llew won his British featherweight title in 1915 and emigrated a few months later without ever defending it.

    Gareth

[cando]

Llew states in the first linked article that he was born at Llyncls, 22 Oct 1894.  Census returns are not really reliable sources for births.

In is own words… …a series of articles by Llew about his life
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k0h/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k0i/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k0j/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k0k/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k0l/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k0m/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k0n/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k0o/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k0p/

Cheers 
Cando

[cando]

However this appears to be his birth registration as mentioned by Val

Births Dec 1892 
EDWARDS Hiram Llewellyn   Oswestry    6a/631

Cando

[Garethboxing]

Cando, census returns might not be totally reliable when it comes to dates of birth, but neither are boxers.
    I am confident that Llew was born in 1892  and that he knocked two years off his age throughout his career. He's far from alone in that: Tommy Farr always claimed to be a year younger than he was.
    In those days there was nobody able to look up something on the internet and tell him he was fibbing 

    Gareth