Clazie Confusion

[heiserca]

John Clazie & Martha Smith married at Cobourg, Ontario, 27 March 1861.

The census, taken on 14 Jan 1861, showed them both at Cobourg, but his surname had a different spelling:

John Clacy, servant, Free Church, born Scotland, 28 next birthday
Martha Smith, servant, Free Church, born Scotland, 22 next birthday.


The 1871 census showed them living in Sidney Township, except now Martha’s husband was James Clazie, instead of John!  Did she marry brothers?  Or was the census taker merely overworked?

John Clazie, died 3 June 1875 at Sidney Township.

There was a William Clazie living in Murray Township, who had a son, James, born 25 July 1853.  They later moved to Thurlow. 

I would like to clarify:

a) Correct name of Martha Smith’s husband: John or James?

b) Relationship of John / James Clazie / Clacy, from Cobourg & Sidney Township, with William Clazie from Murray Township & Thurlow.

[vbain]

http://ocfa.islandnet.com/ocfa-search.php
This will show most of the Clazies.

[RunKitty]

This site might help too - lots of Clazies here.   You can email the owner of the site - see link at the bottom of every page:

http://www.deeprootstalltrees.com/vanderplas/2/3198.htm

Also - loads of Clazies here.  If you search on the page for "Murray", you will find William from Murray Township near the very bottom of this web page.  It looks to me as if John and William may be brothers. 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tms2/notes.clazey.shtml

RK

[heiserca]

Thank you for the websites.  They are useful but might still contain a transcriber’s error that keeps getting repeated.  I want to look at the original sources.

1871 census can be viewed online.  It shows the husband of Martha as CLAZIE, JAMES.

1861 marriage record is not viewable but the index shows the husband of Martha as JOHN CLAZY.

1861 census transcription shows the man’s name as JOHN CLACY.  Ancestry.com apparently lets you see an actual census image but I don’t know anyone with a paying membership.

Clazy, Clacy & Clazie are just alternative spellings.  But the question remains: did Martha marry James or John?



 

[polarbear]

Hi heiserca.

You might want to check if your local public library subscribes to Ancestry Library Edition. This would give you access to the Canadian Records.

Re: the 1861 Census for John Clacy .... from the image:

John Clacy, 28, Servant, b. Scotland

In the same household ....

Martha Smith, 22, Servant, b. Scotland
Isabella Smith, 23, Servant, b. Scotland (sister of Martha?)

PB

Edited to add ... seems you have this census info already? as it is posted in the first post that I didn't read properly but I'll leave it anyway now it's typed.

[heiserca]

Thank you, one and all, for helping to confirm his identity.  Apart from the 1871 census, all sources seem to agree that his name was John Clazie. 

He was born about 1829, exact date unknown, at Duns, Berwickshire.  Parents were William Clazie & Isabella Purves.  His older brother, William Clazie, settled at Murray Township about 1852 and later at Thurlow. 

John Clazie is believed to be the “Jno. Clazey, 13, male” who was a steerage passenger on the ship “England” from Liverpool to New York, arrived 9 May 1842.  Why did a 13 year old make that long journey alone?  Where did he go?  There is a 19-year gap, from 1842-1861, when he appeared in the census at Cobourg, Ontario, and married Martha Smith.

Wonderful if someone could find him, maybe in the 1850 U.S. census or the 1851 Canada census.

[polarbear]

Hello again.

I don't know whether you have found John in an 1851 census yet? It doesn't look like the 13 year old John on the passenger list is the same one we were discussing here. John, the son of William and Isabella, appears to still be in Scotland with his family in the 1851 census. His grandmother Elizabeth Purvis is also in the household.

Living in Wynnfield Berwickshire

William Clazie age 58 Ag Labourer Head
Elizabeth  age 52 Wife
John age 22  Son b. Dunse Berwickshire
Elizabeth age 18 Daur
Charles age 14 Son
Agnes age 11 Son
Elizabeth Purvis age 94 Mother-in-law

Do you have the Ontario marriage details for William Clazie and Mary Smith?

PB

[heiserca]

Thanks, Polarbear, but that throws everything for a loop! 

If John Clazie the brother of William was still in Scotland in 1851, then who on earth was "Jno. Clazey, 13, male" aboard the ship "England", arrived in New York on 9 May 1842?  I'm baffled!

William Clazie who lived in eastern Ontario married twice: first to Jane Grieve, on 23 April 1847 at Edrom,Berwickshire, they had two children born in Scotland and 3 more born in Ontario; Jane died about 1862, then William remarried to Mary Jane Smith, on 27 Jan 1864 at Shannonville, Ontario.  (Coincidentally, John Clazie married Martha Smith, so maybe the wives were related?)

The family of origin of both John and William confusingly kept recycling the same few names.  We have so far got 15 Williams and 11 Johns, without middle names!  So hard to distinguish among them.  The surname spelling was endlessly toyed with, Claise, Clacy, Clazey, Clazie, Clazy, Clezie, Clezy, even Clizzee.

[polarbear]

The passenger manifest indicates that young John's destination was the United States, although it doesn't say which part. He could have ended up anywhere in the USA or even Canada. While not very likely, it is not beyond the realm of possibility for young John to have returned home again in time for the 1851 census and then travelled to Canada again, perhaps with William.

It is an interesting thought about the brothers marrying two possibly related women, although they weren't sisters given that they had different parents. Could have been cousins, perhaps, but hard to know for sure without a genealogical search. (It does appear that the Isabella Smith that is with Martha in the 1861 Census is Martha's sister.)

PB