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Gloucestershire / Re: John Stock of Bristol
« on: Sunday 22 October 23 16:03 BST (UK)  »
Yes, they do! They obviously took their religion seriously whichever route they chose to follow. I've just discovered that Rev. Christopher Stock's father, John, who was Rector before him in Bromsberrow, apparently stepped down from his post having changed religion in mid-stream, and became preacher for the non-conformist community there. Now that I didn't expect!

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Gloucestershire / Re: John Stock of Bristol
« on: Sunday 22 October 23 12:06 BST (UK)  »
Apologies for the late reply - I've had busier week than expected.
Osprey, you must think I'm a complete idiot! I shouldn't post when I'm cold, tired and not firing on all cylinders. What I was trying to explain (very, very badly!) was that Stephen appeared on the Oath Roll in a particular group of men identified as Protestant Dissenters of some form or another. Quite a few of the Stocks I've followed up became non-conformists of one kind or another, and so baptism records are either difficult to find, or not available for their children if they were of the Strict Baptist persuasion.

At any rate, thank you very much for all your hard work in unearthing all those records for me. I'm hoping that I'll get a chance to take things further with Stephen and co. over the next few days, as I'm currently juggling several research balls. I was only able to do a brief bit of exploring using your findings as a starting point but have discovered there is a wealth of information on the Stocks of Bromsberrow.

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Gloucestershire / Re: John Stock of Bristol
« on: Monday 16 October 23 17:07 BST (UK)  »
Thomas's father "Stephen Stock of Colford (sic), chirurgeon," was a Protestant as he was one of those men who took the Oaths and Allegiances to King George in Gloucester, in January 1715. This may explain the difficulties in finding records for this family. Stephen also seems to have been involved in an adultery case in 1718/19.

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Gloucestershire / Re: John Stock of Bristol
« on: Monday 16 October 23 09:39 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much for your contributions, everyone. You've finally given me something solid to go on, as I've been going round in circles until now. Osprey, I don't have a sub to Ancestry to view Thomas's admon, unfortunately, but now that I know what I'm looking for, I might be able to unearth details elsewhere. John's baptism comes just a few months before a bond dated 16 December 1719, made between John Edmonds, junior and senior, and Thomas Stock of Coleford, so Thomas's marriage to Mary Edmonds must have taken place a year or two prior. The bond also mentions Thomas's father Stephen, which is helpful, though no occupation is mentioned in his case.

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Gloucestershire / Re: John Stock of Bristol
« on: Sunday 15 October 23 16:33 BST (UK)  »
At this stage, Cas, any snippet of information is useful - I found a precis of Henry's Will in Gwent Archives, but had no death date for him, so thank you for that.

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Gloucestershire / John Stock of Bristol
« on: Sunday 15 October 23 14:55 BST (UK)  »
John Stock was a paper-maker in Bristol from around 1744 until around 1771 and although I have details of his marriage and a fair bit of information on his sons John Edmonds Stock and Thomas Stock, I am having a great deal of trouble tracing his family backwards. So far I have discovered, via Gwent Archives' online catalogue, that he was the son of Mary, sister of Henry Edmonds, gent, of Cwmcarvan, Monmouthshire, and that his father may possibly be one Thomas Stock of Coleford, Gloucester, surgeon, but I cannot find either a marriage to confirm this, or any other information about the family at all! There is also a possibility that John may be related in some way to the Robert Stock who married in Bristol in 1729. All help gratefully received. 

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Gloucestershire / Re: Wall & Browne, Stay Makers, Taylors and Habit Makers
« on: Tuesday 15 August 23 11:03 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Capetown. That's part of the assumption that I was working on with John and Esther, as he subsequently gave a daughter of his that name. The Walls attended Chapel Green Meeting House like the Brownes, which is why I am pretty sure that John Browne Wall was named for his father's business partner. The Brownes weren't terribly imaginative name-wise on the whole, sticking with John, William, Samuel, Hannah, Mary, Sarah, etc, until quite late on. Part of the problem also, is that I have no idea who John's father William married, or when - he pitches up in Bath as a peruke maker/hair dresser in the early 1760s and there is never a mention of a wife - and up until now, John appeared to be the only known child. Non-con records, generally, are a bit of a nightmare to track down, and not helped by the Honiton fire in particular, as all the records that might have been able to confirm other siblings appear to have been destroyed.

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Gloucestershire / Re: Wall & Browne, Stay Makers, Taylors and Habit Makers
« on: Tuesday 15 August 23 10:04 BST (UK)  »
Capetown, looking at other census pages, the ticks do seem to have been added afterwards by however was compiling the statistics. Assuming that Esther Browne was John Browne's sister, she would have been born out of county, probably/possibly in Honiton, Devon, as assorted online family trees of American descendants all give this as John's place of birth. A lot of Honiton records for the time period I need were destroyed in major fires, so this can't be confirmed, sadly.

Ciderdrinker, where did you unearth the marriage details for John Wall and Esther Browne? I've drawn a complete blank on both FindMyPast and FamilySearch, which is frustrating. I'm trying to work out where the Brownes were between their births and when they married.  John Browne married Sarah Balston on 3 September 1777, in Bridport Independent Meeting House, DORSET, so I had postulated that he may have recently completed an apprenticeship in that county, like some other members of his family before him, but that may not be the case if he was with Esther when she married in London earlier that same year. 

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Gloucestershire / Re: Wall & Browne, Stay Makers, Taylors and Habit Makers
« on: Thursday 10 August 23 09:27 BST (UK)  »
Capetown, your posts help immensely, as they've either confirmed or strengthened evidence gathered by David and Ciderdrinker. It's beginning to look very much as if Esther was a Browne before her marriage, rather than a Collier/Carpenter. I had a look at the 1841 census this morning and, as you said, it has an "N" in the "Born in County" column and then the tick in the other column, which is definitely a bit confusing. Does it indicate that she was born in Scotland or Ireland, or was the chap who went through the census forms afterwards just noting the "N" so he could run his eye down the page and tot up how many people were born elsewhere? I would have expected either an "S," an "I" or an "F" (as was done further up the page) there, rather than a tick, if it was the former case.

I've found a marriage for Esther's daughter Esther (b. March 1795) to one Robert Fletcher in 1813, and most helpfully it lists the witnesses: John Wall (could be either father or brother, but I would guess father, given that Esther was only 18), M.A. Wall (which would be her elder sister Mary Ann, b. Sep 1785), and Sophia Walls [sic] (b. Dec 1798), another sister who is, of course, living with Esther in 1841.

I'd kill for an obituary for John Wall, the tea dealer, because they usually provide a lot of helpful details, but so far I've drawn a blank, though not for lack of looking. David, do you have any idea how much it costs to order wills online from Bristol Archives. The website itself doesn't give any idea of prices, but I suppose that's because it depends on how many pages the copy runs to.
 

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