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Help required- David John Fulton in Ireland
« on: Wednesday 13 June 12 03:02 BST (UK) »
Hello,
 Could anybody kindly help me in finding out anything more about my great grandfather David John Fulton born in Antrim 1852, and married to Janetta Orr at Toberkeagh Presbyterian Church, Mosside, Co Antrim, Ireland 13 Jan 1876. A distant relative whom visited Ireland said that was all that he could find.
He moved to LIverpool and is recorded in the 1881 census of England and later years.
I have reached a brick wall and don't know how to go any further,
I was also told that he was possibly a grand master in a lodge. There may be some connection to Cork one distant old relative said.
I would be so grateful if anyone could help shed a bit more light about him, I don't know where he lived in  Antrim or his parents.

I enclose a picture of David John Fulton

Thank you,
Lawrence

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Re: Help required- David John Fulton in Ireland
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 June 12 07:35 BST (UK) »
Cork, in the extreme south, is literally the opposite side of Ireland to Toberkeigh, North Antrim.

What's the name and occupation of David's father? (marriage certificate will show those details). What's listed as David's residence? (may not be where he was born or where his family lived but will give a starting point). Also, names of both witnesses? (may be related).
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Help required- David John Fulton in Ireland
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 June 12 14:15 BST (UK) »
I was also told that he was possibly a grand master in a lodge.

Hi Lawrence,

There is similar story in our family.

We eventually discovered that it was implied from the existence of a gold watch chain on which hung a flat annular gold token.
[Each link of the chain, and the token, is individually hallmarked.]
 
Spanning the central hole of the annulus were three symbols.
Stacked atop each other from the back they are:

  Set Square;
  Dividers;
  Capital Letter "G".

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I gatecrashed a regional preceptory meeting in our local Masonic Lodge in search of an explanation!

Its members were very helpful, confirming that the chain was indeed characteristic of their organisation.
[The presence of only two tools is peculiar to Irish lodges.]

The "G" simply means "God".
[All masons must affirm a belief in a higher authority, though the nature of such is left entirely up to them.  The organisation includes members of many religious and non-religious "Faiths".]

The watch chain might have been given to the member simply for many years of attendance, or in recognition of particular service or generosity of character.  Not necessarily for having held a lofty political position.
[The Masons are essentially a "Band of Brothers".]

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The watch chain has a cylindrical "bar" at one end.
This would have slotted in through a button hole of a waistcoat.
The watch would have been held in a pocket of the waistcoat.

Unfortunately, your man's outer jacket is buttoned up in the photo ...

Capt. Jock

WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Help required- David John Fulton in Ireland
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 June 12 14:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Lawrence

This family tree is on ancestry. It states that David's father was called John.

This is his marriage, and the details that you will need to order his marriage cert to see what other info you can get off it....ie his father's occupation, his address at time of marriage, and witness' as these can sometimes be relations.

David John Fulton
1876
District: Ballycastle
Volume: 1 Page: 115 

Please bear in mind that where he married is not necessarily where he was from, it could have been his wife's parish.

Tara



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Re: Help required- David John Fulton in Ireland
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 June 12 23:11 BST (UK) »
Lawrence,

Have sent you a PM about contacting a FULTON family researcher.
Best of luck!

Capt. Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Help required- David John Fulton in Ireland
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 June 12 22:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Lawrence,

Are you still there?!

What was David's occupation when he married?

My tuppence worth of thoughts for possibilities linking Toberkeagh townland (in Ballintoy parish) with Cork were:

Cooper (aka "Barrel Maker")

Perhaps he migrated between distillieries, coming up from Middleton, Cork to Bushmills, Antrim?

Such a profession was highly skilled and remunerated!
Hence its practitioners were highly regarded.

[The advice to the young ladies of Dublin was to seek out a husband amongst the coopers working for the Guinness brewery.  Many of these were of a Pb persuasion. Their church, built nearby, had to be relocated to maintian due propriety when it got surrounded by the buildings of the expanding business!]

Royal Irish Constabulary

Other posts in this conference refer to new recruits going to Cork for training. Certainly it was a large military base.

Capt. Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Help required- David John Fulton in Ireland
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 November 14 15:54 GMT (UK) »
With regard to David John Fulton . Ive seen this name on my Grandads marriage certificate . Which is dated1914. Could this be the same person ?

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Re: Help required- David John Fulton in Ireland
« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 November 14 21:54 GMT (UK) »
Hello I have some info on David John Fulton . I was looking at at my Grandads Wedding Certificate and it was signed by David John Fulton . I presume we could be related .

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Re: Help required- David John Fulton in Ireland
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 November 14 01:39 GMT (UK) »
Jimmy,

I've sent you the link to a FULTON researcher who I interfaced with quite a few years back.
[He provided me with church record information from the Glenavy/Lisburn area, specific to my researches on the WHITTLE family.]

This is the contact that l sent to "Lawrence" earlier.

N.B. I have no research interest in, or further information on, the FULTON name.

Capt. Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]