James William Ogden

[mg]

That's right, in 1901 they were living in Spring Lane Northampton, no James though?

I haven't been able to find them in 1891 at all, Clara born in 1891 Northampton, Arthur & Susan were both born in London.

It is very strange indeed!

[snowyw]

I've tried searching for clara & Arthur with no surname, with parents James & Susan...no luck.  Maybe James went by his second name.

[mg]

That's a possibility, yes.

I do know that Arthur's son was named William John, but was known locally as John, so....you could well be right.

[snowyw]

James wouldn't be on the 1901, he had died by then, but I still can't find them in 1891.

[Valda]

Hi

Susan's age seems to move about it.

20th March 1860 St George in the East born 29th March 1854
Susan Barginal parehts Joseph and Elizabeth, 8 James' Place, father's occupation waterman


On her marriage in 21st September 1884 she was a 39 year old spinster - father Joseph deceased waterman

1901 census in St Sepulchre Northampton a widow aged 43 born Shoul? London

On that census she has two children

Arthur born Shoul? London aged 16 and Clara aged 10 born Northampton

Clara was probably born after the 1891 census

Births Sep 1891  Ogden  Clara Elizabeth     Northampton  3b 70


Difficult to tell whether from that census whether Arthur was the son of James and his first wife, or Susan's son.

James William's father William was a shoemaker as stated on his marriage.


It is important to give the full information from the marriage. It makes the search a lot easier.

On James William's marriage he states his occupation as paviour - 'Lays paving stones etc.' and that he was a widower

The 1881 census is searchable by occupation


1881 census RG11 214 folio 123
32 Grafton Terrace St Pancras
William J. Ogden 43 Head Married Paviour Clainground? Huntingdon
Sophia Ogden 40 Wife Married Gt Barton, Suffolk
Ann M. Ogden 17 Daughter  Machinist March, Cambridgeshire
James H. Ogden 14 Son Paviour Kentish Town Middlesex
Barnaby R. Ogden 6 Son Kentish Town Middlesex
William L. Ogden 2 Son Kentish Town Middlesex


Births Jun 1878   OGDEN  William Leo    Pancras  1b 211



Deaths Dec 1883  Ogden  Sophia  43  N. Witchford  3b 353

Marriages Sep 1860  
Ogden  William     N Witchford  3b 851    
Sargent  Sophia     N. Witchford  3b 851

Births Mar 1864  
OGDEN  Ann Maria    N Witchford  3b 622

1871 census RG10 206 folio 46
9 North Western Terrace Oval Road Pancras
William Ogden 32 Head Married Railway labourer Peterbro Northampton
Sophia Ogden 30 Wife Married Gt Barton Suffolk
Frances M Ogden 9 Daughter March Cambridge
Annie M Ogden 7  Daughter March Cambridge
James H Ogden 4 Son Pancras Middlesex



Regards

Valda

[snowyw]

There you are...he did go by the name of William, so Sophia was his first wife.

I'd like to say I was pipped to the post, as I was about to ask James's occupation.......

[Valda]

Hi

1861 census RG9 1044 folio 111
Binnimoor March Cambridgeshire
William Ogden 22 Head Married Ag lab Stanground Hunts
Sophia Ogden 20 Wife Married Bury St Edmunds Suffolk

St Pancras Old Church 15th October 1869 born 1st October
William Ogden parents  William and Sophia, Workhouse, father's occupation labourer

1851 census HO107 17?5 folio 715
Hurst Lane March Cambridgeshire
John Hopkin 41 Head Unmarried Ag lab March Cambs
Martha Ogden 31 Servant Widow Standground Hunts
William Ogden 12 Son Stanground Hunts
Richard Ogden 11 Stanground Hunts
James Ogden 7 Months March Cambs



Regards

Valda

[mg]

Hi

I have Arthur's birth cert, which states he was born 28th July 1885 at 7 Caroline Street Camden Town, father-James Ogden, mother Susan Ogden, formerly Bargneill, father's occupation Pavior.

Sorry, I didn't realise that you could search the 1881 census by occupation.

Thank you,

Mary

[Valda]

Hi

That really is why it is important to give full information because other Rootschatters may know more about what records and what search features are around. If you'd known yourself you could search the 1881 census on occupation you would probably have found him. That's the beauty of Rootschat it gives you access to lots of people and all their different areas of expertise.


There doesn't appear to be a birth registration for William

Births Mar 1840
Ogden  Richard    Peterbro'  15 347

It might be worth obtaining his brother Richard's birth certificate to see who his parents were (mother's maiden name). If William's father died young, or his mother wasn't married, he may simply have given his father the same name as himself on his marriage.


Births Sep 1850  
Ogden  James Henry     N Witchford  14 147


Marriages Mar 1854    
Hopkin  John     N Witchford  3b 803    
OGDEN  Martha Frances     N. Witchford  3b 803

1861 census RG9 1044 folio 81
Whittle End March Cambridgeshire
John Hopkin 51 Head Married Ag lab March Cambs
Marathy Hopkin 40 Wife Married ? Northamptonshire
James Hopkin 10 Son March Cambs


Noy easy to spot the Ogdens on the 1841 census.



Regards

Valda