Who is John Embry?

[Merlin King]

I am trying to trace back my family (OK, that's obvious isn't it, wouldn't be here otherwise).  On my mothers side I have managed to go back to the late 1700's and a John Embry.  Where I am getting stuck is in deciding if there is just one John Embry or if there were two.
The John Embry (also Embery) I am after was born in gloucestershire, I believe in Frampton.  And he died in March 1872.  On the 3 Apr 1815 he married Maria Ann Price.  So far, so good.
My difficulty is that looking at different records then he could have been born anywhere between 1784 and 1791.
To make it more difficult, in 1838 he is recorded as a waterman, and in the 1871 census as formerly waterman.  But in the 1841 census the John Embry I have found is an agricultural labourer, in 1851 a bricklayers labourer, and in 1861 simply a labourer.
Have I got one person here with records that have become confused over the years, or am I confusing two different people?

[genechaser]

Hi

If all of the other information except his job that you have regarding John Embry is correct, the chances are that you have the right person. You have to remember that in those days, no work, no pay, no food, so they would take any work that they could.

[KGarrad]

The only John Embry/Embury/Embrey I can see in the censuses, with a wife Maria, is born 1784 in Monmouthshire?

That is also where the 1872 death occurred - John Embry aged 89.

He is also the Bricklayer's Labourer in the 1851 census, born Monmouth?
Class: HO107; Piece: 2445; Folio: 313; Page: 25

In 1841 he is also in Monmouth, but not born in county.
Class: HO107; Piece: 752; Book: 3; Folio: 17; Page: 25
His stated age is 55, but in 1841 ages were rounded down to a multiple of 5 years, so aged between 55 and 59!

[garstonite]

www.freebmd.org.uk
1872 deaths  mar qtr ...jan /feb/mar
EMBRY John  aged 89  Monmouth 11a 26 ......so if he was 89 - it means he was born 1782 or 1783

[giggsycat]

Hi

These baptisms may help? Look at John's occupation on each one.

William Embry bapt 29 Nov 1818 Monmouth son of John - labourer - & Maria
Richard Embrey bapt 23 July 1823 Monmouth son of John (Bargeman) and Maria
Hannah Maria Embery bp 22 Jun 1825 Monmouth daughter of John (waterman) and Maria

I think the following parents are the same couple? She married as Marianne.
   
John Embery bp 20 Sep 1827, Monmouth, son of John (labourer) & Mary Ann
Thomas Embry bp 4 Dec 1829, Monmouth, son of John (bargeman) & Maria
Emily Embry bp 3 Mar 1832, Monmouth, daughter of John (waterman) & Maria
Emma Embry bp 17 Apr 1835, Monmouth, daughter of John (waterman) & Maria

Sarah Embrey bp 23 Mar 1838 Monmouth, daughter of John (waterman) & Maria

John Embry bachelor otp married Marianne Price spinster otp 3 Apr 1815 at Monmouth

This looks like the 1872 death quoted, but age on burial record is 80?
John Embry bachelor otp married Marianne Price spinster otp 3 Apr 1815 at Monmouth   

So it does look as though he worked as a labourer when he had no goods to transport on the barge. Maybe!

[giggsycat]

Sorry - duplicated marriage! Here is burial record.

John Embry of Monmouth buried 31 Mar 1872 aged 80