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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: Stuart P on Thursday 07 August 08 11:01 BST (UK)
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I am doing a single parish study of the genealogy of Cabrach which was split between Aberdeenshire and Banffshire. Anyone with links to this parish please get in touch (with requests or with information).
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Hi,
I'd be interested in comparing notes - I have bits and pieces that may be of use (some better researched than others), but I suspect you've probably got most of it already. Give me a shout anyway.
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my grandfather was a James Gordon, son of Isabella McDonald and John Gordon born in Gaugh or is it Gauch or Daugh in 1895. How do you pronounce this place name?
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Wilma
See all this new found knowledge I now have on Cabrach down to your James Gordon ;)
Stuart, I'm sure you have come across this link already but for Wilma's benefit in case she hasn't. threestones, not connected to this site are you ::) given that it carries your user name?!
www.threestones.co.uk/books/index.html
Monica :)
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Yes, it's my site - a little hobby that I can put down/pick up when I've got the time
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A little hobby ::)...that's a massive amount of work you have done - well done you!
Monica
PS: Welcome to RootsChat :)
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thanks for the link Monica have just looked at some of the content. I have now sorted out some of Granda's roots. It has been an interesting journey. Still some searching to do. My sister in law and I all being well are proposing to make a trip there next summer. it is so strange but reading about the Cabrach is bringing back memories and names places and people that I must have heard in my childhood as they seem so familiar. Its a pity I did not listen more :-))
regards Wilma
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I'm not sure about the pronunciation of Gauch (Gaich, Geach). Threestones is the man to answer that since his people are still in the Cabrach.
Your grandfather James Gordon was the illegit son of James Gordon, an ag. lab at Greenlone, and Isabella McDonald domestic servant. I don't know which James Gordon was the father, but his signature does appear on the birth certificate.
5 yr-old James appears in the 1901 census at Gauch with his maternal grandmother Beatrix (more commonly Elizabeth) Gordon. Her daughter Isabella McDonald (b 18 May 1869 at Gauch) was one of 2 illegitimate children she had with a John McDonald who was resident at Largue in 1856 when the first child James was born.
Elizabeth Gordon (10 Mar 1835 - 21 Jan 1918) was one of 3 children born at Gauch to Alexander Gordon & Elizabeth McDonald (married 1832 in Cabrach). She died at Largue.
Elizabeth McDonald born 6th Jul 1799 at Cromdale, Moray, died 31st Mar 1890 at Gauch.
Alexander Gordon b 8th Jul 1786 at Gauch, died 2nd Jul 1878 at Gauch. One of 10 children to John Gordon (died 27 Jul 1813 age 70) & Isobel Scott (died 1818 age 71). Most of their children were born at Gauch, but the first, in 1765 was at Alduny, which is probably where Isobel Scott was born. She was a daughter of Alexander Scott and Anna Henry, and Alexander was the son of John Scott the 7x gt-grandfather of "Threestones". You are probably also directly related to me, since I have Scott and Henry ancestors in Cabrach.
All the placenames mentioned apart from Greenlone are in Upper Cabrach, traditionally the Aberdeenshire part of the parish.
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Thanks for all this. I have only just started researching my Gordon connections. My mother was a Gordon. My granda lived with us on and off when I was young but I moved away from home when I was sixteen and I was out of touch with my Gordon relations. I am very grateful for all the help I have been given just found this site by trawling through the Internet and its been great.
I find family history fascinating but it is so time consuming, thank goodness for the pc. i am uploading a photo of granda i do not know why he is in the Seaforths and not the Gordons, I imagine it must be in WW1.
Hello to a new found relation by the way.
regards Wilma
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I wonder if you can help me. I am an Englishman trying to help my Welsh brother-in-law trace his Scottish ancestors.
His gtgt grandfather was John Watt born 29 Aug 1821 in Cabrach, his wife was Annie Brodie c1835, place unknown. John Watt had 5 siblings:-
Margaret c1818, possibly married James Jessiman.
Janet c1822
Beulvin c1831 (name as appears on Ancestry)
Helen c1833
Mary c1835
If you could help with any information we would be very grateful.
Roy
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Sorry but I know of no John Watt born 29 Aug 1821. The Margaret Watt who married James Jessiman was bapt 27 Jul 1816, daur of James Watt & Margaret Kellas. She had 13 known siblings including the 4 present at the 1841 census at Nether Ardwell in Lower Cabrach - Beatrix 1829, Helen 1832, Mary 1834 (who was with the Jessimans in 1851) and John 30th Nov 1818 (enumerated as age 20, rounded and not actually specified as son of the widow Margaret Kellas).
According to a transcription of a grave at Wallakirk, in next-door Glass parish, John the son of James W and Margaret Kellas died in 1847. Alternatively, according to the diary of John Taylor, John the son of the late James Watt died 26th April 1840 at Nether Ardwell.
Looking at IGI results for birth of John Watt in 1821 in Scotland, the nearest I can see is birth 19 Aug in Cathcart, Renfrewshire.
In the 1851 census at Haremire, Kinnethmont parish in Aberdeenshire there is a 28yr-old John Watt, unmarried ag lab, born Cabrach Banffshire who I have NOT identified.
I cannot find a marriage John Watt to Annie Brodie, even on Scotlandspeople using J* Wat* & Ann* Brod*.
Could you give more info? Where did you get the birth date? Marriage details?
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Thank you for your very full reply.
The birth date, 29 Aug 1821, was written in a family bible, when written I don't know.
I traced John Watt back through the Welsh census returns, on all of them it just says born in Scotland.
I found the 1851 entry, on Ancestry, that you mention and hoped the 1841 census might be his family but obviously not.
I am afraid I have no information about their wedding.
Thank you again for the time and effort that you have put in.
Roy
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I think you found another distant relative. I too have just resumed digging into "The Gordons" now that Scotlands People have made more censuses etc accessible.
My great grandfather, Peter Gordon was living in Gauch in 1851 and 1861 with his brother John Gordon as the 'Head' of the family, his father, John, being deceased by then. Beatrix Gordon was aged 30 in 1861, also living with them.
Also in the house were Margaret simpson aged 17 - niece of John, and Peter McWilliam, aged 11 in 1861 , nephew of John
My greatgrandfather, Peter, was born in 1833 and married in 1871 to an Elsie Milne at Glenlivet.
There is a parish record from 01.06.1833 which says that on May 26th 1833 John Gordon and Jean Forbes had a son in Guach baptised and named Peter. Witnesses were Peter Gordon and Alexander Gordon.
Anything you can tell me other than the above would be very interesting.
I don't understand what is "The Gauch". Is it one house/farm/croft, or a group of houses/village? There seem to be an awful lot of Gordons there.
Have you seen the photographs of Gauch at www.flickr.com/photos/slackeratslack/2815416598/
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Please see my message to mrsaird. My greatgrandfather was Peter Gordon of Gauch born 1833, died 1913 (I think).
Please tell us more about Gauch.
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Gauch is at the southern end of the habitable part of the Cabrach, sitting at the foot of the hills which separate the parish from Glenbucket and Towie to the south. Immediate neighbours were Reekimlane, Aldivalloch, Bowmans and Aldunie. Sitting at an altitude of 1150ft, the farm would have concentrated on sheep & cattle rather than crops.
John Gordon & Elspet Milne had 4 chilren at Geach 1738-1749, the first, John being at "Reckomlane of Geach". The mother is not named for the 1st 2, John & James 1738 & 1741.
John Gordon (b ca 1743) & Isobel Scott had children there 1768-1786.
His son John Gordon & Jean Forbes had children there 1813-1833.
Another son Peter had children at Reekimlane with Helen Lindsay.
Daughter Beatrix (1767-1864) married William Bain and had children at Poneed & Little Bracklach 1790-1810.
Another son Alexander Gordon (1786-1878) had 3 children at Gauch between 1833 & 1837 with Elizabeth McDonald. One daughter Isobel (1833-1913) married William Gordon of Largue and had 8 children at Gauch between 1852 & 1863 then 6 in Auchindoir parish. A son Alexander had 3 children at Gauch 1833-1837 with Helen Aird.
William Gordon (son of Jean Forbes) had 6 children with Helen McWilliam 1855-1865, the first at Aldivalloch, the rest at Gauch.
Alexander Gordon (son of Jean Forbes) had a son at Gauch in 1846 with Rebecca Walker, then 9 in Aberdeen 1850-1869.
Other lines of Gauch Gordons:
Isobel Gordon dr of Robert Gordon in Aldivalloch married an Adam Gordon 1759, had 4 children at Craigencat 1760-1765 then a further 7 at Gauch 1767-1782.
A Robert Gordon married Agnes Green of Leslie in 1759 and had 4 children at Gauch 1761-1766, then 1 at Tornichelt 1772.
Elizabeth Gordon & William McGregore/Gregore/Gregory had 4 children at Gauch 1748-55, then 2 at Tornichelt 1758-62.
The earliest records in the OPR are for the sons of John Grigor in 1724 & 1728.
The 1696 poll book has Peter Gordon & wife as tenants at Geach.
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Thanks for this once more Stuart. I have now found out quite a bit of info regarding my Gordon ancesters. I have had an email from a Ian Gordon who is descended from the same family and he has kindly let me see his family tree. It has been so exciting and I never expected to find out so much in such a short time. Thanks for all your help. :)
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I am doing a single parish study of the genealogy of Cabrach which was split between Aberdeenshire and Banffshire. Anyone with links to this parish please get in touch (with requests or with information).
Good morning.....
Am doing similar study re neighbouring parish of Kildrummy, and are researching, amongst others, two Scott families originating from Cabrach :
Alexander Scott/Mary Robertson - children so far Ann (1777) + Alexander (1778) + David (1789), and
James Scott/Jean Forbes - children found so far (Elizabeth (1779) + Alexander (1785) + James (1787).......
Ysabeau
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...... doing similar study re neighbouring parish of Kildrummy, and are researching, amongst others, two Scott families originating from Cabrach :
Alexander Scott/Mary Robertson - children so far Ann (1777) + Alexander (1778) + David (1789), and
James Scott/Jean Forbes - children found so far (Elizabeth (1779) + Alexander (1785) + James (1787).......
Ysabeau
Before answering your query, if you are responsible for the Kildrummyfamiles website then congratulations on a very nice job. My own interest in the Cabrach started through my father who was born at Mill of Kildrummy. His grandparents were George Duncan and Ann Coutts who had the mill and were both descended from Alexander Duncan b at Drywells, Cabrach in Feb 1788.
The Scotts have been in Cabrach from at least the mid-C17th, traditionally associated with Aldunie in the Upper Cabrach. The first mention I have found is of a John Scot at Aldeunie who was one of a group of 12 parishioners who appeared before the Alford presbytery in 1673 to complain about their minister.
I have been unable to work out who were the parents of James Scott/Jean Forbes. None of their 3 known children were in the babtismal register, but they all appear at Aldunie in the censuses. 2 children James & Elizabeth never married and they lived together until Elizabeth's death 7th Nov 1858. James died a pauper 24 Jul 1867. Both deaths were at Aldunie. The other son Alexander also lived at Aldunie from 1823 to 1871, and previously at Hillock. He married Isobel Stephen of Huntly in 1813 and had 9 children in Cabrach.
Alexander Scott b25 Sep 1748 at Aldunie, husband of Mary Robertson was one of 4 children born at Aldunie to Alexander Scott and Anna Hen(d)ry. Alexander sr is known to be the son of John Scot, probably the one mentioned in 1673. Mary Robertson's children were :
1:Ann Scott who married William Ronald 1803 - their son James married Janet Scott daur of Isobel Stephen above.
2:Alexander Scott who married 1806 Jean Forbes dr of William Forbes & Jean Laird
3: David Scott who married 1816 Elspet Seivright.
I have attached descendants reports for these people. My own Scott ancestor in the Cabrach was Isabel Scott who married James Ferrior in 1764. She had various Aldunie Scotts as baptismal witnesses for her children.
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Good morning....
Firstly, thank you for your comments re my website...
Secondly, have death certificate for Alexander Scott (c1785), he died @ Keig (29/03/1881) - son-in-law Angus McDonald registered the death.
Have found various MIs relating to both the Scott families mentioned - @ Auchindoir and Keig - and can/will forward transcriptions, if interested......
Ysabeau
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Researching Isobel (Isabella) STRACHAN, born 1771-1773, CABRACH, Banffshire. This is the place she listed on 2 later census'. She married William Patrick 20 Mar 1803 in Cupar, Fife. I am looking for her birthdate and parents and any other ancestors. Isabella is my husband's 4th Great Grandmother.
Kathy Dunn
Reno, Nevada, USA
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my grandfather was a James Gordon, son of Isabella McDonald and John Gordon born in Gaugh or is it Gauch or Daugh in 1895. How do you pronounce this place name?
Hi, I'll attempt to give you some sort of pronunciation (as to how me/my family say the name):
So two parts: Gau - ch
Gau = pronounced like the "Ja" in Jack
ch = pronounced like the "ch" in loch ( and just to be clear loch doesn't sound like lock when spoken :) )
I'll add the following -
I've had a quick look at how you're supposed to represent pronuciation - so according to http://www.scots-online.org/grammar/pronunci.htm - what I should probably be telling you is:
ja/x/
So good luck with that - if you're wandering around the Cabrach please feel free to practice on my folks who'll take great delight in telling you exactly how it's done ;)
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Hi, I'm researching the PEDDIE/PEDIE/PEDDY family who lived in the Cabrach, in Belcherie/Bellcherie and Findouran, in the 18th century. I wonder if anyone knows anything about them? Based on all the posts in this thread, I'm wagering someone does. :)
The family seems to have left a pretty light mark in the parish records, though intriguingly there is a Peddie's Hill just a few miles to the east in the direction of Craig's Castle, and just south of Whitehillock, Longlands, and Tolophin. A family member has speculated that one of our ancestors met his (un)timely end there, hanged for illicit whisky distilling or some other crime. I haven't been able to find out anything about this toponym, apart from its name, location, and elevation.
I hope to figure out where the Peddies came from before they started to appear in the Cabrach OPR (see below), and also to determine whether they were in fact the progenitors of the Peddies who were crofters of Forgue in the 19th century--my established, documented line.
Here in chronological order are the entries from the Cabrach OPR (paraphrased by me):
1 Jan 1727 -- John bapt., son of John PEDIE in Belcherie
1 Jan 1727 -- [same event apparently, as recorded in the extracts] -- John bapt., son of John PEDDY in Bellcherie
12 Dec 1758 -- Alexander FIFE m. Christian PEDDIE (both of Cabrach), after regular banns
10 Dec 1759 -- Theodore PEDIE (of Cabrach) m. Janet BREMNER (of Strathdon), after banns
16 Apr 1762 -- John bapt., son of Theodore PEDDIE in Findouran & wife Janet BREMNER; witnesses John TAYLOR of [Milltown] of Lesmurdie & John Douglas in Findouran
18 Oct 1767 -- William bapt., son of Theodore PEDDIE in Bellcherie & wife Janet Bremner; witnesses William Smart & Robert Chrystie [sic] both in Bellcherie
4 Dec 1791 -- Theodore PEDDIE m. Jean MEARNS (both of Cabrach), after banns
31 Aug 1792 -- Margaret bapt., dau. of Theodore PEDDIE and Jean MEARNS; witnesses Margt. Smith in Bellcherie & Margt. Roach [?] in [Gris Hoane???]
Does anyone know anything about this family from monumental inscriptions, parish lore, etc.? The first Theodore, who is either the father of or the same person as the second one, is currently assumed to be the earliest known ancestor of my family, though the evidence is thin and in fact the name Theodore is never again repeated as far as I can tell. My best guess is that the family left Cabrach for Drumblade and Forgue near the end of the 18th century.
And if anyone can shed light on the aforementioned Peddie's Hill, that would be a bonus.
Thanks,
Daniel
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Hi, I'm researching the PEDDIE/PEDIE/PEDDY family who lived in the Cabrach, in Belcherie/Bellcherie and Findouran, in the 18th century. I wonder if anyone knows anything about them? Based on all the posts in this thread, I'm wagering someone does. :)
I don't have much to add except the origin of the name Theodore may have been Theodore Gordon who was minister at Cabrach between 1731 and 1739. For nearly all of his tenure the baptismal and marriage records are missing.
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Thanks so much, Stuart; that may be a helpful lead.
It brings to mind a question I've had while trying to make sense of these Cabrach Peddies. Based on your research experience, is it possible that what I'm seeing in the parish records is a 'village name' or nickname of an ancestor, as opposed to his original baptismal name? I've often wondered whether 'Theodore' was another name (maybe even a middle name that 'took over') for the John son of John b. 1727 (see list in my original post). I'm trying to think of all the possibilities as I reconstruct the chronology.
By the way, there's another Peddie-Gordon connection--tho' it probably doesn't mean much, this being Gordon country after all. My 4x ggf John Peddie, perhaps the son b. 1762 to Theodore and Janet in the list, later married Bessy Gordon 12 Mar 1786 in Drumblade.
I say 'perhaps' the son of Theodore because, although most genealogies have him as such, for some reason the Pedigree Resource Files want him to be the child b./chr. 9 Apr 1735 to a John Peddie in Drumblade. I haven't been able to find such an entry in the Drumblade OPR. Maybe I missed it. But at this point I have no idea where that PRF is sourcing from.
Finally, can we confirm that Peddie's Hill has always belonged to Auchindoir and Kearn, or did the boundary with Cabrach around those parts change dramatically? Do you think there's historical info. about this in a gazetteer or other source? I haven't been able to find anything yet, but I may not know all the good materials.
Thanks again.
Daniel
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Peddie's Hill definitely well inside Auchindoir. The Cabrach borders never really changed apart from the union with Strathdoveran well before any genealogical records, and are all defined by hills except the boundary with Glass.
Definitely no "village" or nicknames in the Cabrach OPR, or anywhere else I have looked at.
Theodore Peddie was at Nether Ardwell in Jan 1764, as baptismal witness for the birth of Elizabeth Grant daur of James Grant & Isabell Robb at Upper Ardwell. In Feb 1768 he is at Bellcherie.
Origins - if there are no clues from baptismal witnesses in the OPRs, and no graves, then one possibility is a mention in the Kirk Session. Unfortunately not available online, but can be viewed on intranet at the National Archives in Edinburgh. These are especially useful for identifying the parents of illegitimate children, where the parents are "encouraged" to marry. Also there, post 1855 baptismal records (as opposed to birth certificates).
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Great info ... thanks so much!
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A quick follow-up for anyone interested in the history of a toponym :)
There's an entry for Peddie's Hill in John Milne's Celtic Place-names in Aberdeenshire (1912). I haven't read the description in full--it's shown only as a snippet at Google Books--but according to Milne, the name comes from the Gaelic "Tom Paite," or "hill of the hump," which later, through anglicization, I guess, was taken or mistaken to be a personal description, i.e. Tom Paite's hill. Apparently this evolved into Peddie's Hill--maybe because of the presence of the family in the area.
Google Books = fantastic
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Researching Isobel (Isabella) STRACHAN, born 1771-1773, CABRACH, Banffshire. This is the place she listed on 2 later census'. She married William Patrick 20 Mar 1803 in Cupar, Fife. I am looking for her birthdate and parents and any other ancestors. Isabella is my husband's 4th Great Grandmother.
Kathy Dunn
Reno, Nevada, USA
Sorry but I can't tell you much about the Strachans.
I've just put my Cabrach research onto a website http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie/ - a genealogy for the whole parish including all the OPR data, census files, etc.
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I am researching the family of Peter GRANT and Anne McPHERSON. According to the 1841 census, Peter was living at Ardluie with 2 of his daughters (Elizabeth and Jean), and there is no mention of Anne (she probably had died by then). Peter was listed as the Blacksmith. By 1851, ther is no mention of Peter.
I am descended from Peter and Anne son, John (I can't find a registration of his birth, but he was born between 1828 and 1832, I've seen dates within that range). According to John's marriage certificate, his parents were both deceased by the time of the marriage (in Kincardine O'Neil, Aberdeenshire) in January 1859.
I found a satellite view of the Ardluie/Balymulloch area of Lower Cabrach, and am not sure if there were several dwellings at the site (it looks like a large farm now). All that is left of Balymulloch are the stone walls on 2 buildings.
Any idea where the family might be buried (they aren't in the Upper Cabrach churchyard, and I'm not sure where else they might be)? Any help with the family would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Lara
Wisconsin, USA
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I am researching the family of Peter GRANT and Anne McPHERSON. According to the 1841 census, Peter was living at Ardluie with 2 of his daughters (Elizabeth and Jean), and there is no mention of Anne (she probably had died by then). Peter was listed as the Blacksmith. By 1851, ther is no mention of Peter.
I am descended from Peter and Anne son, John (I can't find a registration of his birth, but he was born between 1828 and 1832, I've seen dates within that range). According to John's marriage certificate, his parents were both deceased by the time of the marriage (in Kincardine O'Neil, Aberdeenshire) in January 1859.
I found a satellite view of the Ardluie/Balymulloch area of Lower Cabrach, and am not sure if there were several dwellings at the site (it looks like a large farm now). All that is left of Balymulloch are the stone walls on 2 buildings.
Any idea where the family might be buried (they aren't in the Upper Cabrach churchyard, and I'm not sure where else they might be)? Any help with the family would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Lara
Wisconsin, USA
Peter Grant in Bridgend had a child born about the beginning of February 1828, but did not apply for registration. This MAY be John as there is an ag lab born Cabrach of the right age at Culsh, Kildrummy in 1851. Another unregistered child born Bridgend about Jun 1830 is likely to be Jean Grant.
The OPR record for the birth of an illegitimate Adam Grant in 1853 names the father as John Grant son of Peter Grant in Ardluie. The only Peter Grant there in the 1851 census was a servant (ag lab) the husband of Elspet Dow born ca 1816 and actually the illegitimate son of Peter Grant the blacksmith and Elspet Mitchell.
Traditionally there has been a smithy at Bridgend within living memory and it looks as though the Alluie smithy transferred to there.
An alternative burial place for Cabrach folk was at Wallakirk (sometimes called Dumeath) near Beldorney Castle in Glass parish to the east. There is in fact a Peter Grant, blacksmith, buried there who died 2nd Jul 1890 at Haugh of Glass age 73 but I don't know of a connection.
Stuart
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I have a website http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie/ which attempts a complete genealogy of the Cabrach along with complete census download and some diaries.
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Thanks Stuart. :) I checked out your site (wow that's a lot of work!!) I'll check out the 1851 Kildrummy census for John (hopefully he's the same one).
Since Anne was from Mortlach, would she possibly been buried there (her parents were still living in 1841 and in Mortlach, but again, I don't know where they are buried)? This side of my family has been a "brick wall" for too long.
Thanks again,
Lara
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......Since Anne was from Mortlach, would she possibly been buried there (her parents were still living in 1841 and in Mortlach, but again, I don't know where they are buried)? ........
You can use http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp to get grave records from Banffshire and there is http://www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index/ for indexes to most of the Aberdeenshire graveyards.
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Hello StuartP,
I'd like to thank you for all the work you've done on your website.
I've managed to find a considerable amount of information about my ancestors linked here:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie/ind655.html#@I3095@
I live in Canada, and have been finding it difficult to get a handle on the area, and you've helped me to flesh out my line a bit. My line goes on down through MacDuff Taylor.
The amount of detail you've managed to get is astounding.
By the way, I find there were a number of people around that time giving their children the first name of "Duff" or "MacDuff". I assume it was due to the MacDuff family in the area being very popular at the time. Any ideas on that?
Thanks again!
Bryn Taylor
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--- My line goes on down through MacDuff Taylor. ---By the way, I find there were a number of people around that time giving their children the first name of "Duff" or "MacDuff". I assume it was due to the MacDuff family in the area being very popular at the time. Any ideas on that?
Bryn Taylor
MacDuff Taylor's gt-grandparents, William Taylor & Jean Fettas, were also my 6xgt-grandparents, so I have more information about certain lines of descendants once they leave The Cabrach. If you contact me via the website perhaps we can share information, I'd like to know more about Macduff and his descendants.
Normally when you see a christian name like MacDuff, Gordon, Forbes, etc you start to search for a family connection with that surname, but it can also be named after the local laird, minister or some other obscure reason. The Duff family were powerful landowners in Banffshire. Whether they were "popular" or not is another matter.
Stuart
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Hi Just found this site it looks good. My mother was born at Blackwater in the Cabrach. Her grandad Alexander Gordon lived at the Guauch. Pronunciation Jach.
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Hi Just found this site it looks good. My mother was born at Blackwater in the Cabrach. Her grandad Alexander Gordon lived at the Guauch. Pronunciation Jach.
Which Alexander Gordon do you mean - Alex b. 1870 at Gauch, husband of Sarah Third or his father Alexander b 1837 at Gauch, husband of Helen Aird? If the former, I do know a bit about the Third family as they have connections to my wife.
I would appreciate any details of people born in Cabrach to include on my website.
Stuart
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Hi folks,
just a note for anyone interested -
The Upper Cabrach Church Annual Service ( a great chance to meet your long lost relatives ;) ) will be held on the 16th of August 2009 at 3pm
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Thanks for that we will be in Scotland - that week will try to make it
Jobarnesmum
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Hi,
We are preparing to leave Australia Monday 10 August to be in Huntley for this Annual church service, I know Carol from Canada will be meeting us as well, looking forward to catching up either at the Grouse Inn for lunch or at the church, then again onto the Inn.
Cheers
The Upper Cabrach Church Annual Service ( a great chance to meet your long lost relatives Wink ) will be held on the 16th of August 2009 at 3pmHi folks,
:)
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Hello,
I would love a photo from the church service if anyone is able to get one. I'm happy to give my email address.
I'm in Australia and unable to travel. My family from Cabrach are Grant, Gordon and Kellas.
Thanks.
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We didn't get there in the end --- long story !!
Maybe next year - if anyone has a photo they can share that would be great
Jobarnesmum
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Never mind......hope everthing is OK.
Maybe somebody else has a photo. Thanks for letting me know.
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2010 service is on 15th August at 3pm
Hi folks,
just a note for anyone interested -
The Upper Cabrach Church Annual Service ( a great chance to meet your long lost relatives ;) ) will be held on the 16th of August 2009 at 3pm
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How I would love to be there. I hope everyone who can make it has a wonderful day.
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thanks for the info on this years service ..
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It was a beautiful day for the annual church service, about a hundred people turned up from far and wide, with a buffet at the Grouse Inn afterwards and lots of stories about old Cabrach characters.
My Cabrach Genealogy site at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie has just had a revamp - the notes and sources are much easier to read now and there are lots of new entries. I went to the registrars and got them to print off hundreds of birth, marriage and death certificates, apparently I created some sort of record.
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Stuart,
I'm glad it was a lovely day.......I am still hoping one day to see that part of the world where my grandmother's family came from. Thank you.
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Stuart.....I've just got back to have a look at the work you've done. It is brilliant.
My grandmother was Doris Grant, daughter of John Charles Grant. They were born in Australia. John Charles Grant's parents were Peter Grant and Jean/Jane Gordon. Jean/Jane was born in Alldovalloch. Her parents were Paul Gordon and Anna Kellas.
It is great to be able to put a little flesh on the bones of the family history.
Thank you.
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Hi Stuart,
I'm a decendant from James Gordon, who was one of 3 sons that immigrated to New Zealand in the early 1900's. My grandmother spent 20 years studying her ancestry so I have been given a book she wrote on the hisory of each family member and what they did with their lives. The family originally lived at the Auchmair farm in Cabrach and the book includes a bit of history about the town of Cabrach as well. Let me know if you would lke me to send you any info, I am happy to send you the details, otherwise all family members are loaded in the Later Day Saint www.newfamilysearch.com website which goes back 300 years.
Good to know there is still family in Cabrach.
Melissa
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Hi Melissa,
My family was originally from Auchmair as well. They are Grant, Gordon and Kellas.
Your book sounds great.
Libby.
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Hi Libby
What country are you in now? I have been trying to trace the living decendants and have the family tree of the Kellas, Grant and Gordon families you are talking about, are you related to Jean Gordon birth 12/02/1808 who married Peter Grant, just curious if this is from your mums side or your dads side. My great grandfather was James Gordon who immigrated to New Zealand in 1912 with his 2 brothers while the rest of the family stayed in Auchmair Cabrach.
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Hi Melissa,
Yes......my gg grandparents were Jean/Jane Gordon and Peter Grant. They came to Australia in 1839. I'm still here...
It is my father's side. His mother was Doris Moselle Grant, daughter of John Charles Grant. John Charles was the son of Peter and Jean (Gordon).
I can't work out how to private message you as I wanted to send my email address.
Regards,
Libby.
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Hi Libby, My email is (*) what part of Australia do you live in? I'm visiting Melbourne in May and Sydney in July if you are close to either of these area's I would be happy to give you a copy of all the research my grandmother has given me. Plus would be great to meet some other relatives on this side of the world.
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Hi Stuart,
Do you know when there is the Annual North Cabrach Church Service this year, i've talked my mother into finally making the trip from New Zealand so wouldn't want to get the date wrong. If anyone else knows that would be really helpful.
Thanks
Melissa
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I haven't heard yet about the church service, but the last 2 have been 16th August & 15th August so I would guess that this year it will be the 14th.
Hi Stuart,
Do you know when there is the Annual North Cabrach Church Service this year, i've talked my mother into finally making the trip from New Zealand so wouldn't want to get the date wrong. If anyone else knows that would be really helpful.
Thanks
Melissa
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I've completed another update to the Cabrach database at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie/ having included all the available statutory births, marriages and death certificates plus some more info from the Kirk Session records.
If anyone has downloaded any 1911 census pages from the parish I would love to see them so I can do a full transcription to add to the 1841-1901 censuses downloadable from the web site (which has a "Contact Me" button).
Stuart
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Hi, I am looking for dawsons/deason and grants from the cabrach also, I believe George and Grace sailed the Loch Katrine to Australia but stuck on records, your web site is amazing , well done.
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Lovey.....do you have any idea of dates?
Were George and Grace Dawsons or Grants?
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My (second-hand) information is that George Dawson died at Boldow, Knockando, Moray 30 Oct 1863. Girzel Grant appears to have died Jul 1848 - Knockando OPR has a burial of "Mrs Dawson in Boldow" 5th July.
Hi, I am looking for dawsons/deason and grants from the cabrach also, I believe George and Grace sailed the Loch Katrine to Australia but stuck on records, your web site is amazing , well done.
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Hi , George and Grace were Dawsons, grace was also known as Girzal Grant, I think they left scotland around 1878 on the Loch Katrine, and returned about 5 years later ,
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Thanks for that , they must of got the dates wrong or somebody else went to sail, i have a look at other dawsons on the passenger list, i am trying to find out if we can go further back than 1730 but it seems that the names appear as Dasson, Dason, Deason.
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The normal pattern is for it to be on the 3rd Sunday in August which would put it on the 21st this year - it's usually not definitely confirmed until nearer the date though so I can't guarantee that.
Neil
I haven't heard yet about the church service, but the last 2 have been 16th August & 15th August so I would guess that this year it will be the 14th.
Hi Stuart,
Do you know when there is the Annual North Cabrach Church Service this year, i've talked my mother into finally making the trip from New Zealand so wouldn't want to get the date wrong. If anyone else knows that would be really helpful.
Thanks
Melissa
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Hi Stuart P
I have traced my ancestors back to a Francis Bannochie who was born in Cabrach on 29 Oct 1749. He married a Jean Moir in Knockando on 15 May 1773 and raised a family in Huntly. Have you come across him in your research?
Colin
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Hi all,
service has been confirmed as 21st August for 2011 - 3pm as usual.
(If anyone is going to miss that date but still wants to see inside the church please drop me a line - access to the building should be possible at other times as long as we have enough notice.)
Neil
I haven't heard yet about the church service, but the last 2 have been 16th August & 15th August so I would guess that this year it will be the 14th.
Hi Stuart,
Do you know when there is the Annual North Cabrach Church Service this year, i've talked my mother into finally making the trip from New Zealand so wouldn't want to get the date wrong. If anyone else knows that would be really helpful.
Thanks
Melissa
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So this thread is failry old and i am new to this.. Some of you may still be out there searching?? just started researching. I am a Gordon with my ancestors from cabrach and noted on here that some may be related to me as my ggg g/father was alexander Gordon who married Margaret Kellas in ?1790... Stuart if your still around your work is fantastic and has given me a great start... but still loads of gaps especially from his decendents...I am in Aberdeenshire wow my family travelled far
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"The Genealogy of The Cabrach" website at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie/ was updated 17 Oct 2011. The census download now includes a complete transcript of the 1911 census and a map of the parish. If when you log on to the site it shows an earlier date then hit the Refresh button on your browser otherwise the census link will not work. Also, if you enter the site from a Google search for a name it is possible that the link might be outdated and shifted onto another page.
I am currently going through the Kirk Session records (a slow process). This brings in new names and clarifies the identity of some others.
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I am in Aberdeenshire wow my family travelled far
<grin> I can beat that - my family are still in the Cabrach.
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Stuart....you are doing (and have already done) a brilliant job.
I got a surprise with my tree the other day. I thought all my Gordnon, Grant and Kellas family came from Cabrach.
However, my Paul Gordon (my 3x great grandfather) who married Anna Kellas was born in Kingussie. His parents were John (sometimes with Roy as a second name) and Marjory Kennedy. I found their marriage in Kingussie 1730.
Marjory was from Pitmain (a big Kennedy area) and John was from Laggan. Someone has found a John Gordon who survived the battle at Culloden. Right place and time-frame but no proof he's my John. However, there were only two Gordons in Culloden, John and James.
I am now trying to find if he's mine and maybe James is his brother.
That may be where my Gordons came from on that side. I have more on the Cabrach Grant side.
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The name Paul Gordon first appears in Cabrach in 1767, when James & Paul Gordon in Gaich are witnesses to the baptism of Isabel Gordon daughter of Adam Gordon & Isabel Gordon in Gaich. The next references are in 1771 & 1774 in Poneed, then 1776 to 1823 at Aldivalloch.
By oral tradition the phrase "Gaich Gordon" meant someone who settled in Cabrach as a fugitive after Culloden, and who may have changed his name to avoid detection. I do not know the original source for the idea that Paul Gordon was from Kingussie.
If you want to see all the mentions of a particular person on the Cabrach website, go to the Chronology of Events page, then use "Find on This Page" on your browser.
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Stuart...I wish I had a tiny bit of your knowledge about Scotland....
My Paul Gordon married Anna Kellas (1789) in Cabrach. One of the family had a Bible with names, but very few dates or places.....I suppose they knew who they were writing about.
Paul's parents were written as John Roy Gordon and Marjory Kennedy.
Paul's date of birth was also written.
There is a baptism on SP for Paul with the correct parents and dates.
There is a marriage on SP for John Gordon and Marjory Kennedy.
Paul was baptised Kingussie (district anyway).
John (from Laggan) and Marjory(Pitmaen) were married 1730 in the Kingussie register.
I also found another marriage for a Paul Gordon to Margaret Gordon in Cabrach 1768. I think that is the same fellow, but not sure yet.
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Hi all,
service in the Upper Cabrach Kirk is set for 3pm on Sunday 19th August 2012. All welcome.
cheers,
N
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We hope to be at the Annual Service this year, coming up from Southampton, if there are any changes would you be able to email me, (*) thanks
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Very unlikely to be anything change now (posters are up, minister has been confirmed) but if it does I'll let you know.
As usual I suspect the Grouse Inn will be the place to be before and after for the reunions and stories ;)
N
We hope to be at the Annual Service this year, coming up from Southampton, if there are any changes would you be able to email me, (*) thanks
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Brilliant thanks, not been into the Grouse Inn, so that will be interesting as well. Very new to this area so looking to make a few connections.
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There's a tune, "Roy's Wife of Aldivalloch", would this be Marjory from Pitmain?
Skoosh.
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There's a tune, "Roy's Wife of Aldivalloch", would this be Marjory from Pitmain?
Skoosh.
Hi,
I'm afraid I don't really understand the question - according to this page - http://www.scotsindependent.org/features/singasang/royswife.htm - Roys wife was called Isobel Stewart. Does that help ?
N
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Hi all,
service in the Upper Cabrach Kirk is set for 3pm on Sunday 18th August 2013. All welcome.
cheers,
N
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stuart wonder if you could help with these names if possible yates/yets and mill have found chrisnting of james yates and a Gordon name is mentioned. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,630230.0.html
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Yes the Cabrach marriage record 2nd Jun 1772 for Charles "Yate" and Janet "Milne" states that Janet was in Aberlour and Charles was in Cabrach. Any of the witness names mentioned for the baptism of James "Mill" in 1775 at Aberlour (james mill,william stewart,helen stewart elspet gordon) could be Cabrach people.
I have not seen any evidence to suggest who Charles' parents were. What about the baptism of Elizabeth "Yate" to Charles Yate and Janet Milne 14 Feb 1779 in Aberlour?
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yes have looked at Elizabeth but still trying to put Elizabeth as Charles and janets child also have came across a Helen yate/yates could this be Helen stewart on baptism many thanks for your reply david.
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do have a james mill born 1756 but unsure if hes janets brother have his father as a Charles mill mother as a Margaret grinlay but not sure on these any help please regards david.
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sorry for another post but do have Charles yates born abt 1758 and a death for him in Glasgow in 1797 Charles yeattes died of consumption but found it difficult to have any concreat evidence this is him abt 90 per cent sure tho regards david.
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yes have looked at Elizabeth but still trying to put Elizabeth as Charles and janets child also have came across a Helen yate/yates could this be Helen stewart on baptism many thanks for your reply david.
Sorry but not sure what your problem is with Elizabeth. The mother's surname Mill or or Milne is interchangeable, milne meaning mill in Scots. As for Helen Stewart the witness, this is more of a problem. Although a Scottish baptismal record invariably names the mother by her maiden name, the naming of female witnesses seems to be more varied, using either married or maiden name according to the whim of the Session Clerk who wrote the record.
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sorry for another post but do have Charles yates born abt 1758 and a death for him in Glasgow in 1797 Charles yeattes died of consumption but found it difficult to have any concreat evidence this is him abt 90 per cent sure tho regards david.
There is a baptism of an Elisabeth Yates to Charles Yates and Janet Stuart in Glasgow 28 Apr 1794. It is far more likely that there is simply no surviving record baptismal for your Charles. There are Yeats in Cabrach in the early 1700s, but there is a gap in the baptismal record for most of the 1730s, and anyway, even without lost records, not every birth was recorded in the parish records.
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thanks for all this stuart will do some more researching in to my yates have been for a while trying to connect the yates family from cabrach to the yates in Glasgow maybe a break throught at last regards david.
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Hi all,
service in the Upper Cabrach Kirk is set for 3pm on Sunday 17th August 2014. All welcome.
cheers,
N
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Hi all,
service in the Upper Cabrach Kirk is set for 3pm on Sunday 16th August 2015. All welcome.
cheers,
N
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Hi all,
service in the Upper Cabrach Kirk is set for 3pm on Sunday 21st August 2016. All welcome.
cheers,
N
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Hi all,
service in the Upper Cabrach Kirk is set for 3pm on Sunday 20th August 2017. All welcome.
cheers,
N
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I am doing a single parish study of the genealogy of Cabrach which was split between Aberdeenshire and Banffshire. Anyone with links to this parish please get in touch (with requests or with information).
My g g grandfather George Watt claimed his place of birth as Chapel of Garioch. Could this equate to Cabrach? Unfortunately, his death certificate claimed his parents' names were unknown. Various details with dates and names have me wondering if the George Watt born in Cabrach to Isobel Clark/Clerk and George Watt 11 March 1810 might in fact be him. Do you have available any further details of this particular George Watt and what became of him? Perhaps his origins will continue to elude ... Thank you.
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My g g grandfather George Watt claimed his place of birth as Chapel of Garioch. Could this equate to Cabrach?
I think that is pretty unlikely. 'Garioch' is pronounced like 'geary' so there is little chance of the two parishes being confused.
But the only way to prove it with certainty would be if you found a death certificate for the one born in Cabrach.
Is your George Watt the one who died in Waimate, New Zealand in 1876? It looks as if he was in Drumagrain, Inveravon in 1851 with wife Elizabeth and three children.
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Hi,
Chapel of Garioch is a different area to the Cabrach - if you check Google Maps you'll see it's near Inverurie (and about 25 miles from the Cabrach).
Don't know specifically about your ancestors but it's a bit of a stretch maybe to link the two without more to go on.
Regards,
N
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Hi, I have been following this thread with great interest. My ancestors were Alexander Forbes and Barbara Thomson, who married in Gartly, Cabrach 5 September 1811. They were farmers at Inverharroch from approx 1800 to 1836. Three children were born at Inverharroch, Cabrach, Banff - William Forbes 1812, Barbara Forbes 1814 and Margaret Forbes in 1817. The three children emigrate to Tasmania, Australia in 1836 to sort out a property inheritance left to them by Alexander Forbes' brother William. I do not know what happened to Alexander and Barbara who were my 3 x great-grandparents. I hope you can help. Regards, Susan
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Hi,
some years ago my Brother Michael was corresponding with you about family gealogies in the Cabrach. He shared info with me, as he knew I was similarly interested. My brother died in 2015, and I am trying to continue with his work. Any help much appreciated. I spent my childhood in Craigellachie, father's family were in the Cabrach area for some centuries. I found a message from Michael on RootsChat where he says that although we appear to be related to all the Cabrach families, he is still mystified as to where/when the first Scotts appeared, and why.
Father's sister Annie had a story that seven Scott brothers came north to fight in a battle (it's always seven, or three, in stories, or so it seems !).
I have admired Stuart Petrie's researches, and also ThreeStones.
Philippa10
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Hi, I have been following this thread with great interest. My ancestors were Alexander Forbes and Barbara Thomson, who married in Gartly, Cabrach 5 September 1811. They were farmers at Inverharroch from approx 1800 to 1836. Three children were born at Inverharroch, Cabrach, Banff - William Forbes 1812, Barbara Forbes 1814 and Margaret Forbes in 1817. The three children emigrate to Tasmania, Australia in 1836 to sort out a property inheritance left to them by Alexander Forbes' brother William. I do not know what happened to Alexander and Barbara who were my 3 x great-grandparents. I hope you can help. Regards, Susan
Hi,
apologies - haven't looked at this thread in some time - there were quite a lot of Forbes in the Cabrach at one point but it's a name that seems to have disappeared. I think they may well have moved out to some of the neighbouring areas, maybe down towards Huntly but I'd need to poke around a bit more to see properly.
Regards,
Neil
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Hi,
some years ago my Brother Michael was corresponding with you about family gealogies in the Cabrach. He shared info with me, as he knew I was similarly interested. My brother died in 2015, and I am trying to continue with his work. Any help much appreciated. I spent my childhood in Craigellachie, father's family were in the Cabrach area for some centuries. I found a message from Michael on RootsChat where he says that although we appear to be related to all the Cabrach families, he is still mystified as to where/when the first Scotts appeared, and why.
Father's sister Annie had a story that seven Scott brothers came north to fight in a battle (it's always seven, or three, in stories, or so it seems !).
I have admired Stuart Petrie's researches, and also ThreeStones.
Philippa10
Hi,
if I've got it right you're a Scott from the Milton ? (In which case we've got a shared history way back).
I suspect you've got the same problem I do - I can push my history as far back as there are easily available family history records for and I know (from scraps of info that turn up in older manuscripts) that we were in the Cabrach many years before that but so far the full story remains out of reach.
I keep mining for little nuggets of information - if I ever hit the motherlode I'll let you know 8)
Regards,
Neil
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Hi all,
service in the Upper Cabrach Kirk is set for 3pm on Sunday 19th August 2018. All welcome.
cheers,
N
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Hi Stuart,
I see your Tiscali/TalkTalk hosted site has now expired - are you going to put the family tree info up somewhere else ?
cheers,
N
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Hi all
A bit late in joining this chat but I too am fascinated with the Cabrach area. My ancestors were Stewart, Fletcher, Watt, Kellas (Margaret and Ann), Henry (Alexander, shoemaker). Would love any information on those.
I had a quick fleeting visit last May (2018) and went to the Upper Cabrach Kirk (gorgeous). I'm going back for a few days in September but if the service is on in August may try and come up for that (from Nottm).
I'm too am interested in Stuart's site - any news on that.
Many thanks
Karen
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Hi all,
service in the Upper Cabrach Kirk is set for 3pm on Sunday 18th August 2019. All welcome.
cheers,
N
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Hi guys,
Not much activity in this one recently but my name is Corey from Australia, and looks like there are links to family noted by previous posts here such as Elspet Sievewright in the Scott family history attachments from the earlier posts. Don't really have any questions but wanted to post rather than simply lurk. :D:D
Cheers,
Corey
P.S If anyone's interested in the Robertsons from Tomnaven I've been adding anything I'm 90 to 100% certain of accuracy on the wikitree website including a relative to the aforementioned Elspet Sievewright; Elspet Sievewright (Merson) Robertson 1873-1930.
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Hi, I realise this is an old thread but just thought I'd add in my wee bit.
Connected to the Cabrach through Jane/Jean Taylor (born @ Fordownan 1808), sister of the aforementioned MacDuff Taylor. Her grandparents George Taylor and Isabella Kelman were married in the Cabrach in 1777
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There are a couple of groups on Facebook - "Cabrach Memories" and "Cabrach Lives" - where a lot of discussion including genealogy researach happens these days.