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What exactly was the Industrial School next to 71, Gem St, Birmingham 1861
« on: Thursday 16 October 14 13:47 BST (UK) »
Hi, Everyone,
Tracking a Benjamin Eyres, aged 12, born in Chatham, Kent, I was surprised to discover him in an Industrial School next door to 71, Gem Street, Birmingham, in the 1861 Census.
Can someone with local knowledge tell me something about this institution, and why a young lad would have been so far from his origins there...?
Many thanks, Keith
P.S. Can't quite read the word before "Industrial School" on the Census entry, either

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Re: What exactly was the Industrial School next to 71, Gem St, Birmingham 1861
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 October 14 16:19 BST (UK) »
  I  seem to  recall   on Brian Blesseds'   WDYTYA programme  ,  his  ancestors   were   placed in  a London workhouse   ( though  they   lived  in Portsmouth)   the reason  being  was  the  parents  originally came  from London ,   so  after their  deaths  the children  were  returned to London    for the  original parish of the  parents ,  to   take them  in .   Maybe this was the  case   for   your  Benjamin Eyres  also

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Re: What exactly was the Industrial School next to 71, Gem St, Birmingham 1861
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 October 14 17:35 BST (UK) »
Jan and Deebel,
Thanks very much for responding to my query!  And I shall try and see whether I can find his entry form anywhere at the TNA...
Having since now discovered that his father was in the army in the 17th Foot, the Leicestershires, it's quite possible if his father (and mother too, maybe) went away with the regiment, that that might have been the reason why he had been admitted to this school, and to learn a trade of some sort...
Keith


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Re: What exactly was the Industrial School next to 71, Gem St, Birmingham 1861
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 October 14 17:38 BST (UK) »
Industrial schools were set up for children who were considered out of the control of their parents.
Begging,getting up to mischief or not attending school were common reasons. It was designed to "catch" children before they became criminals. Typically the term was 5 years.
Boys were taught a trade & girls domestic skills.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: What exactly was the Industrial School next to 71, Gem St, Birmingham 1861
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 October 14 17:51 BST (UK) »
The blurb:
Before 1846 the education and care of children in Birmingham and other expanding cities was neglected.  Children over the age of 7 years who broke the law were treated as adults and could be hanged, transported or imprisoned.  In 1850 more than 11,000 were admitted to prisons in England and Wales.

The origins of the Martineau Centre are in the founding of the first Ragged School in Lichfield Street Birmingham, by the Revd. Grantham Yorke; also in the free Industrial School, which was opened in Gem Street in 1849.  The Bishop of Worcester was a patron of the new institution and the Mayor of Birmingham was a member of the Management Committee.

The new Gem Street school had 3 departments:-
1. A Day School teaching the 3 R’s, moral and religious values, history, geography and singing.
2. An Industrial class, teaching  practical trade skills, including carpentry and metalwork.
3. An Asylum for deserted and orphaned children offering full board up to the age of 14 years.

In  1850 the daily diet was:- Dinner at 12 noon - bread and dripping or pea soup and bread or boiled beef and potatoes and :- Tea at 4pm - thickened  milk and bread or seed cake, or bread and cheese, depending on the day of the week.

By  1864 the standard diet had improved and included, green vegetables, fruit, coffee. Roast meat and butter with bread.


This is it.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: What exactly was the Industrial School next to 71, Gem St, Birmingham 1861
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 16 October 14 18:18 BST (UK) »
Jim,
Just my kind of place, bread and dripping, yum!
Seriously, Benjamin didn't seem to manage to pick up the rudiments of a trade there, as he appears to change his occupation almost from Census to Census.  At least he was safe and warm and fed, with a roof over his head, wherever his parents were supposed to be...
Keith
All very interesting, Jim, thanks so much for all the blurb, too...!

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Re: What exactly was the Industrial School next to 71, Gem St, Birmingham 1861
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 16 October 14 19:08 BST (UK) »
"Free Industrial Schools, Gem Street
The school continues to increase in numbers, and to maintain its character as an educational establishment suited to the wants of almost destitute poor, offering daily gratuitous instruction to the children of those who from various distressing causes are unable to pay the ordinary school fees; and an asylum to many deprived of the fostering care of parents. Industrial training continues to form a distinguishing feature in its system, employment being found for by far the greater number of children attending the school whether as inmates or day scholars. For those resident in the house ample employment is provided by the requirements of the domestic establishment. For the girls the housework, washing, ironing, cooking and needlework, while for the boys, besides some domestic employment, there remains the tailor's and shoemaker's shop; and for those who are too young to be engaged in such work, other employment of a remunerative kind  is provided"

(Birmingham Journal, 15 Jan 1859)   

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