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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: kerry1212 on Thursday 04 September 08 21:38 BST (UK)
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Hi all hoping to find any people with canal boatmen or women in their trees, mine come from the harrison line, in tipton but being boatmen they travelled all over so have a lot elsewhere too, if anyone has any let me know
thanks kerry
For reasons and circumstances that have happened today i would like to add that the contents and photo's on my webite are from family members, the information is from numerous family members and years of searching with help also from family members and numerous geneaology sites including rootschat without them i would never have found the family members who have helped me, the cover of my website is my husbands grandmother emily harrison wife of jack/john harrison.
If your family do appear on the website and you are not happy with it being there please let me know and i will delete it
thank you all kerry
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Hi Kerry,
You might find this thread interesting:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,319181.0.html
Although Greg's ancestor was not from Staffs he moved many Tipton/Bilston/Staffs people up from there to Derbyshire (including mine ;)).
Hope you get some more responses - good luck.
Paulene :)
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thanks willow
kerry
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Hi
I have a few boatmen in my Husbands tree, from the Cheshire and Staffordshire area.
Regards
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Welcome to rootschat - I hope you find it interesting, and helpful. :)
I'm curious to know what your ancestors (and Kerry's) went on to do later - I know the Bonser family, on the Erewash Canal at Ilkeston, moved on to doing pleasure trips in the 1920s. (see thread on post).
Paulene :)
I recently visited St.John's Chruch, Kate's Hill, Dudley, to find the grave of my ancestor - William Perry, also known as the Tipton Slasher, is buried there.
http://nelldixonrw.blogspot.com/2007/12/friday-fun-20.html
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Kerry
I have Whitehouse.
Names assoc.by marriage.
Hodgetts
Williams
Woodward
Smith
Fletcher
Asson
All boatmen.
Jackie
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Hi All
Surnames of Boatmen in Family Tree
Wood - Stafffordshire
Fradley - Stone, Staffordshire and Middlewich, Cheshire
Leese - Middlewich, Cheshire
Hollinshead - Cheshire
Dewis - Cheshire
Moore - Tipton, West Midlands and Cheshire
Leeson - Cheshire
Hough - Cheshire
and other boatmen related by marriage
Regards
Ann
Regards
Ann
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hi ann i have john fradley married eliza harrison in 1880 in my husbands tree is john your relative?
kerry
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Hi everyone
As Willow has said I have boatman from Derbyshire area, They are Thomas Bonser and some of his sons also in my tree there is a John Bradley he is from Derbyshire and a couple of his sons. If anybody has seen these names in there research let me know and I will keep a look out for yours.
Thanks
Greg
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Hi Kerry
I have a John Fradley b:1858 don't know who he married but I have come across the Harison Family in previous searches.
John Fradleys siblings I have are Benjamin, Joshua, Elizabeth, Sarah, Thomas, Mary, William, Rachel, Ann, Rebecca and Charles.
My husbands tree has the boatmen in it.
Elizabeth Moore married Joshua Fradley after the death of his brother Samuel Fradley and had four children.
I am away on holiday at the moment and all the information I have is at home, I will have a look when I get home for any Harrison informaton I might had written down, have plenty of names of boatmen that I have come across whilst doing my research, never know when you might need them.
Ann
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Other boatmen in Family Tree
Kingston - Staffordshire
Winfondale - Staffordshire
Ann
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Hi, I have the Bromage family of boatmen appearing in my tree - they seem to have been on the Oxford to Coventry canal. They were William Bromage and his wife Sarah - I have them on several census entries from Market Bosworth, Rugby and one address says California Oxford Canal. All very interesting.
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hi ann thats the john fradley he married eliza i have the tree, we are making a canalboatmen website which has all the boatmen in the family with photos i will post the address as soon as the website is up hopefully in the next few days ;D
kerry
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Thanks Kerry
Look forward to receiving the web address
Regards
Ann
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Hi everyone,
I have Moore, Broadbent, Fradley, Fereday, Wood, Franks, Edwards and Nicholls in my family, all related by marriage and mainly from Tipton, West Bromwich and Braunston.
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Hi Jackie
My Moore, Fradley and Wood Families are all connected by marriage, we must be connected by one of the marriages
Ann
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A Samuel S. Moore was a witness to a Whitehouse -
Hodgetts marriage in 1845 at Tewkesbury Gloucs.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
The only Moore information I have is Thomas Moore b: 1866 Tipton mar: Pheobe Wood b: c1865
Children of Thomas and Pheobe are:-
Minnie b: 1902 married: George Leese Occ: Boatman
Milicent
Ethel b: 1897 Tunstall, Staffordshire
William b: c1900 Tunstall, Staffordshire
Elizabeth b: c1895 Stafforshire
Ellen b: c1892 Wolverhampton married: Charles Kingston Occ: Boatman
Cornelius b: c1900
Elsie
Pheobe married Stanley Winfondale Occ: Boatman
Haven't managed to get any further back than Thomas at the moment - work in progress
Where do your Fradley and Wood families come into your tree
Ann
Ann
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Hi All
Interesting Reports found on Boatmen
Birmingham Daily Post Sat March 19th 1881
Obstructing the Birmingham Canal
At Walsall Guildhall, yesterday, John and William Godfrey and William Mountney, Boatmen, Birmingham, were summond, at te instance of the Birmingham Canal Co. for having obstructed the canal. The testimony of several witnesses went to show that on the night of the 1oth inst, the defendents went to the Top Locks, Birchills, with a boat, and owing to a dispute as to who should be incharge of it, John refused to produce the ticket to the Lockkeeper who would not let the boat past till he got it, and the boat stayed in the lock for six hours and detained twenty boats. - John was fined 10s and costs, or 14 days imprisonment, and the other two 20s and costs, or one months imprisonment.
Other Reports available
Ann
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hi all still trying to get my website sorted there is so much ;D anyway the trees and families i have so far are Harrison,Wood,fradley,green,willington,mander,diggory,humphries,wilson,corker,duckett, plus more
please bare with me and i will give the address for the website ;D
kerry
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Hi i wondered if you had come accross the dunn family or statham family in your tree they are in my family and were boat people in sedgley and wolverhampton.
All the best sharon
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hi sharon do you have any of them i have found dunn boatmen on the censuses if you want the info let me know
kerry ;D
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Hi Kerry,
I have very little info on them so all help is very much appreciated.
Thanks Sharon
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can you give me any names i have found a cornelius dunn in 1881 with sarah he is a boatman is this your ancester?
kerry
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sorry also found caroline and charles dunn it looks like charles is a boat maker?
kerry
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sharon just found george statham he is also a boatman m,arried to ellen?
found quite a lot of statham has boatmen...
kerry
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jackie have also found whitehouse boatmen joseph and betsy with family
kerry
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The only one i have at mo Kerry is james Dunn i know he has a daughter called Hannah sometimes calls herself Priscilla Johanna and he has a son Frederick, My Statham is Joseph his father was William this is all the info i have on them im afraid.
Sharon
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Hello Kerry
What dates do you have for Joseph + Betsey Whitehouse.
So far,have'nt found a Joseph in my W.line.
Jackie.
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hi jackie this is joseph in 1881 with family in tipton staffs
Betsy Whitehouse 47
Daniel Whitehouse 18
George Robt. Whitehouse 21
Joseph Whitehouse 45
Joseph Jas. Whitehouse 13
kerry
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sharon i found your james dunn on 1841 census looks like the mother is sarah
James Dunn 40
Sarah Dunn 50
Frederick Dunn 15
Hannah Dunn 12
kerry
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Hi Jackie
Just been looking through my list of Boatmen that I have found during my research
This may or may not be any connection to your Williams Family
1881 Census
Joseph Williams Head Unmarried Age 25y b: Drayton, Shropshire Occ: Assistant Boatman
Others in Household
George Swain Unmarried Age: 19y b: Llanymynech, Shropshire Occ: Asst Boatman
George Evans Unmarried Age: 17y b: Chester Occ: Asst Boatman
Living on Boat 'Thames' Laver Wharf, Chester
Source: FAMILYSEARCH
1341852 RG11 3560/35 Page 64
Ann
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Hi Jackie
And another one
Thomas Williams Head Unmarried Age: 29y b: Bunbury Occ: Asst Boatman
Others in Household
George Jones Unmarried Age: 18y b: Newport, Shropshire Occ: Asst Boatman
Joseph Pritchard Unmarried Age: 17y b: Chester
Living on Boat 'Castle' Northgate Lock, Chester
Source: Familysearch
1341852 RG11 3560/35 Page 64
William Williams Head Unmarried Age:30y b: Ellesmere, Shropshire Occ: Boatman
Others in Household
William Jones Unmarried Age: 50y b:Ellesmere, Shropshire Occ: Boatman
Living on Boat 'Minto' Basinend Canalwharf, Henhull
Source: Familysearch
1341849 RG11 3546/43 Page: 21
Charles Williams Head Unmarried Age: 19y b: Stafford Occ: Master
Others in Household
James Sanders Unmarried Age: 19y b: Middlewich, Cheshire Occ: Mate
Living on Boat ' 7 Freedom', Middlewich, Cheshire
Source: Familysearch
1341845 RG11 3530/20 Page:32
Ann
Source: Familysearch
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Hi Kerry
Is the following person any connection
1881 Census
Richard Harrison Head Unmarried Age: 29y b: Northwich Occ: Master Barge
Others in Household
David Hemming Unmarried Age: 19y b: Sheffield, Yorks Occ: Mate Barge
Living on Boat 'Lilly' Weston in Runcorn
Source: Familysearch
1341843 RG11 3517/108 Page: 53
Ann
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hi ann never seen him but thanks
kerry
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hi all here is the addy for the website tell me what you think and if you have any family conections or any info and i will add or photos ;D
http://www.wix.com/boatmen/miners
kerry
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Hi Kerry
Just had a look at the website and here is some additional information for you
Fradley
William Fradley b: c1775 Stone, Staffordshire
father of
Benjamin Fradley b: 08/10/1795 Stone, Staffordshire, Chri: 13/10/1795 Married: Elizabeth Hassal
and
Solomon Fradley b: 1797 Bapt: 22/10/1797 Stone, Staffordshire Occ: Boatman
Children of Benjamin and Elizabeth
1. Alice Fradley b: 03/05/1816 Bapt: 03/05/1816 d: c 09/1866 Age: 50y Registered in Stoke on Trent Mar: Henry Calkin b: 30/08/1811 Staffordshire Bapt: 31/08/1811 St Mary, Stafford Occ: Painter Mar: 21/08/1837 at Bucknall, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire d: c12/1874 Age: 63y Registered at Stone.
1841 Census
Lists Henry, wife Alice and children Harriet Age: 2y and James Age: 10mths living at Canal Bridge, Stone, Staffordshire
1851 Census his Occ: Painter and Glazier
1861 Census Henry Age 45y? living with wife and 5 children at 41 Stafford Street, Longton, Staffordshire
Alice Age:44y Occ: given as Painters wife
Henry and Alice had 7 Children (I have some details available)
2. Benjamin Fradley b: 02/01/1818 Chr: 11/01/1818 Stone, Staffordshire. d: 28/01/1818 Stone, Staffordshire
3. Anne Fradley b: 04/11/1819 Stone, Staffordshire Chr: 07/11/1819 Stone, Staffordshire
4. Charles Fradley b: 23/01/1822 Stone, Staffordshire d: 1822
5. Harriet Fradley b: 1826 Stone, Staffordshire Bapt: 08/10/1826 Stone, Staffordshire Mar:(1) Abraham Chadwick b: 1817 Goldenhill, Staffordshire Occ: Boatman Mar: (2) James Ashley b: 01/02/1822 Newcastle, Staffordshire Bapt: 04/03/1822 Lower Street Wesleyan, Newcastle, Staffordshire Married 12/06/1843 Stone, Staffordshire d: c 1844
4 Children from marriage (1)
6. Mary Ann Fradley b: 1828 Bapt: 21/12/1828 Stone, Staffordshire
7. Eliza Fradley b: 1831 Bapt: 30/01/1831 Stone, Staffordshire
8. Sarah Fradley b: 1835 Bapt: 05/08/1835 Stone, Staffordshire
9. Benjamin Fradley b: 1838 Bapt: 04/11/1838 Stone, Staffordshire Occ: Boatman
1861 Penkhill RG9 1938 41
1871 Middlewich RG10 3700 52
1881 Odd Rode RG11 3536 74
1891 Odd Rode RG13 3345 16
10. Charles Fradley b: 1847 Stone, Staffordshire
11. Elizabeth Fradley b: 18/05/1823 Bapt: 25/05/1823 Stonefield, Stone, Staffordshire
I have also found Fradley burials in Middlewich, Cheshire, do you want these details.
Have plenty more Fradley information on paper.
Happy reading
Ann
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Hi Ann,
My connection is through the MOORE family and I have the same information as yourself, i.e. Thomas MOORE born abt 1868 married Phoebe WOOD and their daughter Elizabeth, born 1893 married two FRADLEY brothers, Samuel and Joshua.
Thomas MOORE's parents were
William MOORE born abt 1838 Tipton and Hannah FEREDAY born abt. 1842 Oldbury. They had the following children
1. Hannah born abt. 1864 Tipton.
2. Thomas (as above) born abt, 1868 Tipton.
3. Joseph born abt. 1871 Wolverhampton
4. John born abt. 1873 Tipton.
5. James born abt. 1877 Wolverhampton.
6. Henry born abt. 1881 Wolverhampton
7. George born abt. 1883 Wolverhampton
Parents of William, born abt 1838, were Isaac MOORE born abt. 1812 Wolverhampton and Rebecca NICHOLLS also born abt. 1812 Wolverhampton.
Like yourself it's still work in progress, but we do seem to have the same family connections by marriage.
Jackie
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Does anyone have a Job Allen in their boat families?
He wed Eliza Whitehouse in 1842 at Dymock Gloucs.
Father Thomas Allen boatman.
Have just discovered this marriage + I believe Eliza to be
a sister to my 2xg.grandad Jacob Whitehouse.
Can anyone find Job + Eliza in census please.
Thankyou
Jackie.
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I saw a post from Ann Cooper re Solomon Fradley born abt 1797. I wondered if Ann could very kindly give me any other information about him and his family as Solomon is my great great great grandfather. All I know of him is that in later years on the 1851 and 1861 census he was an Inn Keeper of the Bell and Bear pub in Snow Hill,Shelton,Stoke-on-Trent. Solomon had a son, Solomon, who had a son, Wilbraham, who had a son Alfred ,this was my grandfather.
Any information regarding this family, however small, would really be appreciated.
Many thanks, Linda Rhead
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I have two generations of boatmen called Thomas FRANKS from Staffs in my tree.
Tx
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Mitchell
William, b. 1819, Todmorden, m. Jun. 1844, Maria Lamb,b. Northwich, Cheshire. Children :-
William Lamb, 1843
Reuben Mitchell, 1847
James 1849
John , 1851
Charles , 1855
Mary , 1857
Maria , 1860
Reuben b. 1847, Runcorn, m. Dec. 1866, Maria Buxton, b. 1848, Manchester, Children :-
Reuben Mitchell, b. 1871,
Mary 1877
Sarah 1881
Reuben, b. 1871, married, 1896, Elizabeth Heywood or Wood, my connection comes thru his 2nd marriage , Mar. 1924, to Catherine Dobson, b. 1889, Manchester, she was my wifes grand aunt. Bodger
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Hi,Kerry,
Had a look at your Boatmen website today..I loved it.....:)
It was great to see my ancestors listed up there. Mine are the Fradleys.Benjamin Fradley born 1796 was the brother of my three times great grandfather Solomon, who was also a Boatman until he became an Inn-Keeper in or around 1851. Do you know if any of the photos on the website have any of the Fradley family on them?
Linda..:)
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Does anyone have any info on a John Fradley born Gayton,Staffs, 1807?
Many thanks, Linda
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Hi all -
My boatmen were named Johnson, working on the Mersey-Trent Canal between Runcorn, Stoke-on-Trent and Wolverhampton throughout the 19th century. Some of the family were born at Barnton and others at Sandbach. I'm descended from Peter Johnson, born c.1810 at Barnton, the son of Michael Frederick Johnson. His brothers, both boatmen, were George (born 1806 Liverpool) and John (born 1807 Liverpool).
Peter's children included William (born 1853 Wolverhampton) who became boatman of the 'Barlaston' and married Jane, daughter of Edward Wordsby, also a boatman.
- judijee
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Hi
Don't know if these are any connection but came accross then when researching my Mother in Laws family tree.
Buried at Middlewich Cemrtery
ID: 79
Entry No. 79
Name of Person: Edward Johnson
Description of Person Buried: Son of Joseph Johnson Boatman
Age: 3y
Place Death Occured: Newton
Date of Burial: 26/10/1868
Grave No. : 374
ID: 106
Entry No: 106
Name of Person: William Johnson
Descripton of person Buried: Boatman
Age: 48y
Place Death Occured: Newton
Date of Burial: 14/01/1869
Grave No. 560
Regards
Ann
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Thanks for that information, Ann - much appreciated. I think Joseph was one one of 'my' Johnson brothers, but he's a bit of a shadowy individual and I haven't found out much about him. The William Johnson in my family got married in the 1880s, so can't be the one buried at Middlewich. I'll put him on file, though.
Thanks again -
judijee
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Looking for the Syner family of Kingswinford around 1700. There were Syner trowmen on the Severn and the Wye at this time so wonder if they were boatmen there then???
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Hi All
Surnames of Boatmen in Family Tree
Wood - Stafffordshire
Fradley - Stone, Staffordshire and Middlewich, Cheshire
Leese - Middlewich, Cheshire
Hollinshead - Cheshire
Dewis - Cheshire
Moore - Tipton, West Midlands and Cheshire
Leeson - Cheshire
Hough - Cheshire
and other boatmen related by marriage
Regards
Ann
Regards
Ann
hi, i am a direct descendent of thomas wood boatsman who married lois daniels in 1813 they come from tunstall staffs.
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hi, kerry got your PM but could not find your website to click on. from dumb sonia
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lol sent you a pm but if you look to at my name on the bottom it has 3 icons hover over them and the one that says www that is my website:))
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Hi Sonia
Got your message, haven't much information on the Wood Family but my Mother in Law is connected to Woods family through marriage. Her father George Leese was a boatman
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thanks ann...does anyone have any info on the siblings of thomas edward wood born 1901 his parents were david wood and ellen slater nixon from staffordshire. or eliza nixon who was ellens sister. thanx :-*
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Hi guys
new to this,so you'll have to bear with me
i have 4 generations of boatmen in my family tree,by the name 'Wright', and all have links to Tipton, Toll End Road.
William Wright 1875-1918, Boatman, married Mary-Ann Bailey in 1892, Tipton
daur Bertha Wright (my great grandmother)
-Son of-
John Wright 1845-abt 1918 Boatman, Married Elizabeth Ralph (father John Ralph, Boatman)
John was born in Stanton, Derbyshire. Censuses show him living in Toll End 1881-1901
-son of-
William Wright 1823-1889 Boatman, Married Maria Currey Wagstaff in 1846, Tipton (Parents James Wagstaff and Mary Currey, Boatman)
William was born in Stourport in 1823, along with 5 other siblings,yet none are shown on familysearch.com- i have copies of baptisms.
Both are buried in Tipton Cemetery, Spent their later lives at Toll End again
-son of-
Thomas Wright and Sarah.....
This is where i hit my dead end.All 6 children are baptised in Stourport
John Wright, 1821
William Wright, 1823
Benjamin Wright, 1825
Sarah Wright, 1827
Elizabeth Wright, 1829
Samuel Wright, 1834
All are extremely patchy on cesuses, but i cannot get the wright line in Stourport any further back.I know there are another 5 Wright families Baptised in Stourport, But none are Boatmen, and none seem related.Can you or anyone else help??
If not, i hope some of the info i have collected can help others.Other Boatman names i have linked to my Wrights are:
Ashley
Ralph
Diggory
Beresford
Nixon
Whitehouse
Broughton
Hope i can help someone, even if they cant help me
thanx
Stuart
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Hello Stuart
I have Whitehouse boatman, and also a link to Stourport with Hall (early 1800's) .
Two Hall sisters married Hodgetts brothers who also were boatmen.
What whitehouse names do you have.
Jackie.
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Hi
The Whitehouse info i have is a marriage certificate from St. Marks, Ocker Hill Tipton.
apr. 29th 1872
William Wright,of age, Boatman,Toll End Father was William Wright Boatman
Matilda Whitehouse, 20, spinster,Toll End, Father John Whitehouse Furnaceman
Hope this helps
stuart
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Stu
Thanks, sadly not one of mine.
Jackie.
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shelly look at my website some of your names are there
http://www.wix.com/boatmen/miners
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Hi Sonia
Had a look at my information and the following is what I have found
David Wood son of Benjamin and Harriet (Harrison) Wood born: 1873 at Oldbury. He married Ellen Slater Nixon born: at Penkridge
David employed as a Boatman
Children of David and Ellen(Slater Nixon) Wood
1. John Wood born: Penkridge
2. jane Wood born: Penkridge
3. David Wood born: Tipton
4. Emily Wood Born: 1900 Wolverhampton
5. Thomas Edward Wood born: 1900 Penkridge
Think this is what you are after
Have a bit of info on Benjamin and Harriet (harrison) Wood
let me know if you want this
Will have a look on my Boat Register information and see if any off these appear
Regards
Ann
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Hi Sonia
Was Lois Daniel born 1792 the 2nd wife of Thomas Wood?
If this is the right family I have some information that might be helpful to you.
Regards
Ann
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Sonia
Boat information
Hanley Archives - Boat Registers
Master C Wood
Boat Name Nora
Boat No. 1104
Boat Owner Anderton & Co.
Date of Inspection 02/05/1934
Boat Registered Runcorn
Master W Wood
Boat Name Gosport
Boat No. 1266
Boat Owner Fellows, Morton, Clay
Date of Inspection 26/11/1934
Boat Registered Birmingham
Master G Wood
Boat Name Nora
Boat No. 1104
Boat Owner Aderton & Co.
Date of Inspection 03/12/1934
Boat Registered Runcorn
Master J Wood
Boat Name Ophin?
Boat No. 990
Boat Owner Anderton & Co.
Date of Inspection 24/05/1935
Boat Registered Runcorn
Master W Wood
Boat Name Dorothy
Boat No. 534
Boat Owner Fellows, Morton, Clay
Date of Inspection 19/10/1935
Boat Registered Uxbridge
Master D Wood
Boat Name Stateley
Boat No. 855
Boat Owner J Rayner
Date of Inspection 14/05/1936
Boat Registered Stoke on Trent
Master W Wood
Boat Name Shad
Boat No. 1583
Boat Owner Fellows, Morton, Clay
Date of Inspection 08/06/1936
Boat Registered Birmingham
Master E Wood Jnr
Boat Name Mullitt
Boat No. 1558
Boat Owner Fellows, Morton, Clay
Date of Inspection 24/08/1936
Boat Registered Birmingham
Master E Wood
Boat Name Westminster
Boat No. 859
Boat Owner Anderton & Co
Date of Inspection 26/09/1936
Boat Registered Stoke on Trent
Master E Wood
Boat Name Spain
Boat No. 917
Boat Owner Anderton & Co
Date of Inspection 03/11/1937
Boat Registered Stoke on Trent
Master Ernest Wood
Boat Name Westwood
Boat No. 789
Boat Owner Meakin Ltd.
Date of Inspection 04/12/1941
Boat Registered Stoke on Trent
Master E Wood
Boat Name Violet
Boat No. 757
Boat Owner Anderton Co
Date of Inspection 16/12/1941
Boat Registered Stoke on Trent (Cut up in 1952 Used by NCB
Master Ernest Wood
Boat Name The Pine
Boat No. 1106
Boat Owner Anderton Co
Date of Inspection 08/06/1942
Boat Registered Runcorn
Chester Archieves -Boat Registers
Master Charles Wood
Boat Name Rhodesia
Boat No. 575
Route Worked Ellesmere - Wolverhampton
Cargo General
Boat Owner SUR & Co
Date of Inspection 01/10/1897
Place of Insp Chester
No. of Cabins 2
Type of Boat Horse Narrow not Fly
Boat Registered Chester
Master A Wood
Boat Name Albert
Boat No. 1412
Route Worked ?
Cargo ?
Boat Owner Fellows and Morton
Date of Inspection 23/03/1928
Place of Insp Chester
No Cabins
Type of Boat
Boat Registered Birmingham
Master F Wood
Boat Name Dane
Boat No. 83
Route Worked
Cargo
Boat Owner T Clayton, Oldbury
Date of Inspection 15/08/1932
Place of Insp Chester
No Cabins
Type of Boat
Boat Registered Tamworth
Master John Wood
Boat Name Irene
Boat No. 583
Route Worked Ellesmere - Wolverhampton
Cargo General
Boat Owner SUR & Co
Date of Inspection 24/06/1902
Place of Insp Chester
No Cabins 1
Type of Boat Horse Narrow Not Fly
Boat Registered Chester
More to follow later from Chester Archieves
Ann
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Hi Everyone,
My direct line is Moore, who were boatmen. My Gt. Grandfather, George Moore, born 1851 at Spon Lane, West Bromwich, lived mainly in Tipton, although he is shown on the 1901 census as living in B'ham, working for Fellows, Moreton & Co. I've no information regarding names of boats he worked on, or what happened to him after 1901. No trace to date on the 1911 census.
The following may be of interest to anyone with Nixon boatmen in their family. I've just discovered that Annie Louisa Moore married John Nixon on the 2/4/1893 at St. Gabriels Church, Deritend, B'ham. John was a boatman, as was his father Wiliam Nixon. The 1911 census shows that John Nixon, aged 40, was born on a boat at Toll End, West Bromwich.
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Hello Kerry,
One branch of my family (Williams) were boat people and they lived and worked on canal barges with their families from 1860 - 1900.
My earliest info is that of my Gt Grandfather Enoch & his wife Ann from about 1865 onwards. My Grandad, William Williams was born in 1876 in Wembury, Nantwich.
Records show that their main route was between Trevor, near Llangollen, North Wales, to Wolverhampton and the Midlands, via Nantwich in Cheshire, transporting stone and lime.
I have already posted a request in the Common Room for ' Photo's of Boat People, 1860 - 1900 era'
In addition, I have posted a request on the Cheshire board for info on a Geoge Williams & Sarah Lloyd who were Boat People in Chester, in the hope I may be able to trace relatives.
I 've been guided to your post by another Rootchatter and I really wish I'd seen it earlier because I could probably have put both requests together on your post.
Ah well, hope someone may be able to help.
Barbara.
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My Statham is Joseph his father was William this is all the info i have on them im afraid.
Sharon
Hi Sharon,
your post has prompted me to join! I am also following my tree, my Grandfather and all his ancestors were boatmen from the Midlands. The exciting thing is that his mother was Hannah Statham who married George Henry Smith in 1908. George Henry Smith's brother Solomon Smith married Hannah's sister Mary Jane Statham in 1911. The Statham sisters' father was William Statham.
They could be linked with your tree so I would be interested in any information. I have the certificates but have not managed to find many census returns.
According to family, there is a link somewhere with the Stokes too but I have not yet found where due to a lack of evidence. Stokes was the maiden name of one of the wives.
The Moore family were known by our family and I have Moores as witnesses at weddings. eg Elizabeth Moore at Statham + Smith marriage in 1908 and J B Moore at my Grandfathers marriage in 1948.
There is also a link to the village of Barnacle near Coventry, where we have memories.
I look forward to anybody's news from the clues!
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I have Elizabeth Moore b: c1895, Staffordshire wife of Joshua and Samuel Fradley in my tree all where members of boatfamilies.
Elizabeth was the daughter of Thomas Moore b:1866 and Phebe/Pheobe Wood b:c1885 Tunstall, Staffordshire
Ann
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Might be a bit young?
Barbara, why do you need the photos as I have a few of the Smiths?
Just found a Clue!! My Smith and Statham families are written about in the book Ramlin Rose (page 51!!)
Only they are the names I already know!
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Just started researching my husband`s tree.
The names James and Hollinshead have come up, from Staffs.
I can`t access the wix site another poster has mentioned, but I have noticed these names are mentioned by a couple of others. Any connections greatly received !! Any assistance gladly given!
Thanks.
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Hi
I have some Hollinshead information, what are you looking for?
Ann
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Hi there,
Well, so far I have Alice James nee Hollinshead, born Tunstall. Her father was Moses Hollinshead who married Eliza Fradley. I have them on a couple of census.
I have only just started researching them, Alice is my husband`s maternal G.G/mother.
So, I`m interested in just about anything at the moment!!
Mel
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Moses Jenkinson Hollinshead b:Penkridge, Bapt: 16/12/1827 Penkridge, d: 21/11/1908 Wolstanton, Staffs Occ: Boatman
married Eliza Fradley 19/06/1848 Penkridge
(also have some Fradley information)
Siblings of Moses
Thomas Hollinshead b:1813 Bapt: 14/03/1813 Penkridge
John Hollinshead b: 1809, Bapt: 19/03/1809 Penkridge
Maria Hollinshead b:1810 Bapt: 18/11/1810 Penkridge
Sarah Hollinshead b: 1815 Bapt: 14/05/1815 Penkridge
Benjamin Hollinshead b: 1817, Bapt: 16/05/1817 Penkridge
Joseph Hollinshead b: 1819, Bapt: 07/03/1819 Penkridge
George Jenkinson Hollinshead b: 1821 Bapt: 29/04/1821
Eliza Hollinshead b: 1823, Bapt: 18/06/1823 Penkridge
Emma Jenkinson Hollinshead b: 1825 Bapt: 28/06/1825
Moses Jenkinson Hollinshead was the son of Thomas Jenkinson Hollinshead b: 1781 Middlewich, Cheshire Bapt 19/12/1781 Middlewich married: Sarah Heath b: 1787 they married 02/02/1802 St James Longton
Father of Thomas Jenkinson Hollinshead b: 1750 married Hannah Lowe they married at Middlewich 14/10/1776
I have also the details of Moses and Eliza's children do you want these?
Ann
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Sorry forgot to enter Thomas Jenkinson Hollinsheads fathers name
George Hollinshead b: 1750
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Wow thank you, that`s brilliant!
I`m off to work now, I`ll try and get back on later ( it`s so horribly addictive, this family history lark!!)
Mel
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Hollinshead info cont
Eliza Fradley b:c1829 Stone, Staffordshire, d: 1899 Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Moses Jenkinson Fradley was widowed before 1901, living with daughter Alice James at 164 The Coppice, Tunstall, Staffordshire Occ:Boat Loader
Children of Moses and Eliza
1. Ann Jenkinson Hollinshead b: Penkridge Married: 25/12/1865 at Etruria,
Staffordshire to Eli Jinks b:1845 Sandbach, Cheshire (Jinks were boatfamily)
2. Sarah Hollinshead b:c1851 Penkridge
3. Thomas Jenkinson Hollinshead b:c1855 Penkridge
4. Elizabeth Hollinshead b: c1856 Penkridge
5. Mary Ann Hollinshead b: c1856 Penkridge
6. Harriett Holinshead b:c1858 Penkridge/Tunstall Married: Jame Bunn at All
Saints,Odd Rode, Cheshire on 29/10/1877
7. Joseph Hollinshead b:29/09/1859 Penkridge
8. Moses Hollinshead b:1863 Etruria, Staffordshire Married: Sarah ?
9. Benjamin Jenkinson Hollinshead b:c1866 Etruria, Staffordshire Occ: Boat
loader
10. William Jenkinson Hollinshead b:c1868 Penkridge
11. John Hollinshead b c1870 Penkridge
12. Elizabeth Ann Jenkinson Hollinshead b: c1871 Penkridge
13. George Henry Hollinshead b:c1873 Penkridge
14. Alice Hollinshead b:c1875 Penkridge Married Thomas James b:c1872
Weston, Staffordshire
15. Mary Ann Jenkinson Hollinshead b:c1877 Tunstall, Staffordshire
Will leave you to digest the above information, still have more
Ann
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error should read Moses Jenkinson Hollinshead not Fradley
additional info
1. Eliza Ann Hollinshead married on 19/10/1891 at Penkridge to Matthew
Wenlock b:1872 Tipton, West Mids
2. Alice Jenkinson Hollinshead b:03/03/1873, d:10/12/1950 married Thomas
James on 26/11/1892 at St Michaels & All Angels,Penkridge
3. Mary Ann Jenkinson Hollinshead Married on 31/07/1893 at St Michaels & All
Angels, Penkridge to Philip James
4. Thomas Jenkinson Hollinshead married Mary Wood b:1855, Stoke on Trent,
Staffordshire (The Wood family were a boatfamily, have some information)
5. Joseph Hollinshead married Sarah Dash Redman b: 08/03/1859 Oxford
6. Moses Jenkinson Hollinshead b: 1863 married in 1883 at St Pauls, Burslem
to Sarah Ann Wood b:1863 Tunstall
7. Benjamin Hollinshead married in 1889 at Cannock, Staffordshire to Minnie
Eddowes b: 1869 Manchester
Ann
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Alice Jenkinson Hollinshead and Thomas James
Children
1. Mary Ann James b: 1894 Penkridge married John Meaney
2. Alice James b: 1895 Penkridge married (1) Arthur Atkins
(2) Thomas Baden Nixon
3. Ada James b: 1897 Sandbach mar: Edwin Peel
4. Thomas James b: 21/09/1893 Clay Hills, Bapt: 04/10/1898
St Marys, Tunstall
5. Ellen James b: 23/09/1899 Cop Houses, Tunstall Bapt: 1
0/10/1899 St Marys
Tunstall married John Wildblood
6. George Henry James b: 15/02/1902 Cop Houses, Tunstall,
married: Lucy Brooke
7. Gladys May James b: Cop Houses, Tunstall, Bapt:
15/07/1902 St Marys,
Tunstall married Edward Bossons
8. Harold James b: 01/04/1910 Cop Houses, Tunstall Bapt:
21/04/1910 St
Marys, Tunstall
9. Florrie James b:11/12/1911 Cop Houses, Tunstall Bapt:
30/12/1911 St
Mary's Tunstall married William Winstanley
10. Lillian James b: 1913 op Houses, unstall married Harry
Bentley
11. Thomas James b: 08/05/1919 Cop Houses, unstall died:
30/12/2000 married Elsie Bannister b 22/06/1918 died:
21/04/1981
Ann
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Wow Anne, you are an absolute star!
What , if any , is your connection?
Do you mind if I use your info. to build my husbands tree?
Mel
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Hi Mel
My connection is through my Mother in Law who is a Leese is connected to Wood and Fradley Family.
Yes you can use the information, I still have more on the Hollinshead family as well as some on those connected via marriage to the Hollinsheads.
Ann
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Anne,
I can`t believe how much info. you have been able to give me. It`s taken me ages to get where I am with my own tree. The awful thing is, my husband hasn`t been very interested in his own family history, and it`s all there on a plate for him!!!! Typical ! It`s my elder ( teenage ) daughter who is very keen to know, so this will be an excellent surprise when she gets back from holiday.
Many thanks,
Mel
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Hi everyone,
I have just found this wonderful site and would like to post my surname interests. They include PRICE, FRADLEY, HAMER, WALTERS , COPE and MEREDITH, and I am very happy to share information.
Unfortunately I have hit a brick wall with my Merediths. I know Richard Meredith , born c1816 married Elizabeth Cope in Dudley in 1839 and have found their children using the Wolverhampton Archives site. However I have not been able to link him with any other Meredith family and would appreciate any ideas. I know that he died in 1866 and he only appears in1861 census as being from Hopton Bank, Salop.
Children John, Sarah Jane, Francis, Charlotte and Harriet Meredith all married at Acton, near Nantwich between 1872 and 1883.
Does anyone recognise this family?
Many thanks, Jan-P
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great website
my aunty recognises someone in one of your photos, sent you a pm
waterbaby
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thanks waterbaby have replied :)
kerry
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hi all, i am updating my website, but for reasons i will not go into i would like the people of the families if possible who are related to the harrisons,willington,wood,fradley,brooks,clegg,stokes,wright,mander,parker,
wilson,humphreys,duckett,paton,howell,kendall that were canalboatmen to please contact me if you could,
thanks all kerry
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Hi Ann,
Thank you for your reply re: Fradley connections. Unfortunately, as I am new to this site, I am having trouble trying to contact you and i am being told that i need to make 3 posts before I can reply. I will therefore try again when I have made them. Thank you again. Jan
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hi all, i am updating my website, but for reasons i will not go into i would like the people of the families if possible who are related to the harrisons,willington,wood,fradley,brooks,clegg,stokes,wright,mander,parker,
wilson,humphreys,duckett,paton,howell,kendall that were canalboatmen to please contact me if you could,
thanks all kerry
Hi Kerry, I think your website is great, I found quite a lot of boatmen on three pages of 1841 census in Harbourne, Staffs whilst looking for my Godfrey/Bishops boatmen family. HO 107/980/7 p.30, 31 & 32.
John Bishop (boatman) married Sarah Ann Godfrey in 1843 her parents were William Godfrey (boatman) and Sarah Holbrook. Any info on these families would be useful. I a beginner at this site and not sure how to post this message, I clicked on quote but I don't think thats right, how do I post a message properly?
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hi morris dancer i have found john and sarah in 1841 they are with greens doesn't look like these greens are boatmen has it says brass founder
Piece: HO107/1147/3 Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: B'ham (St Thomas) Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 22 Page: 3
Address: Wharf St
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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BISHOP William M 25 Boatman Outside Census County (1841)
BISHOP Sarah F 25 Warwickshire
Page: 23/4 BISHOP William M 2 Warwickshire
BISHOP Sarah F 3m Warwickshire
GREEN Jno M 25 Brass Founder Warwickshire
GREEN Mary F 20 Outside Census County (1841)
GREEN William M 4 Warwickshire
GREEN Henry M 1 Warwickshire
hope this helps
kerry
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also found these could be related?
Piece: HO107/1900 Place: Antony -Cornwall Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Saltash Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 465 Page: 63 Schedule: 263
Address: -
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BISHOP Richard Head M M 51 Boatman Gloucestershire - Gloster
BISHOP Mary Ann Wife M F 43 - Cornwall - Saltash
BISHOP Richard Son U M 12 Scholar Cornwall - Saltash
Page: 466/64 BISHOP Joseph Son U M 8 Scholar Cornwall - Saltash
BISHOP James Son U M 6 Scholar Cornwall - Saltash
kerry
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i have found quite a few bishops that are boatmen, if you want the info let me know
kerry
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hi all, i am updating my website, but for reasons i will not go into i would like the people of the families if possible who are related to the harrisons,willington,wood,fradley,brooks,clegg,stokes,wright,mander,parker,
wilson,humphreys,duckett,paton,howell,kendall that were canalboatmen to please contact me if you could,
thanks all kerry
Kerry
I am researching the descendants of Betsy HARRISON and Thomas WILLINGTON who married in the Wolverhampton area (probably Tettenhall) in 1854. I have just ordered their marriage cert so, hopefully, will know more soon. Do you have any info on this canal family?
Greg
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H i Greg,
sent you a pm
kerry :)
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Hi All
Check out this web page for Wolverhampton Boatpeople
http://www.canalmuseum.org.uk/collection/holtsindex1.pdf
Bapt and Marriages 90 pages worth of info
Ann
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Hi I am new, to this site but have done a lot with my family tree. I have always thought we had a barge/canal link and finding this site is brilliant.
My grandfather was one of the many John Fradleys(1),
his dad was John Fradley(2)
and his dad was John Fradley,(3)
brother of Edward Fradley who was the father of
John Fradley(4) 1858 from Stone married to Eliza. Still with me!
Now John Fradley(2) married a Mary ann Burditt from Lubenham, Leicester, the only way we feel they could have met was through canal links as the canal is close to both places.Many of my Fradleys were farmers, John(1) and John(2) were.
My tree is on ancestry.com, if any family member would like to view it please let me know as I need an e mail address to send you an invitation otherwise its a paid subscription site.
Any further information I will be watching for
Look forward to getting to know you all.
Val
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Hi Lindarhead
I haven;t got a John Fradley 1807 but some of my lot came from Gayton, any more names that may link?
I have a John Fradley(yes another!!)1775 in Gayton, his dad was John !! 1741 also was born in Gayton. Would be interesting to hear from you
Val
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Hi
I have a John Johnson c1820 as a boatman in my family, his father might have been Thomas also a boatman. John had a daughter Sarah (1857ish) but I can't find a baptism for her or find them in the census.
Do you know where I can find any info on boatmen from Staffordshire, did they register in the census if they were on the canal and would they have registered births?
Joanna
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1871 census Burslem Staffs RG10/2850 folio 18 page 27
John Johnson 50 boatman Staffs Talk o'the Hill
Mary 45 Shrop.Madeley
John 16 salop Tunstall
Hannah 8 ......
Thomas (father) 88 boatman Staffs Stoke
Jackie.
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Thanks Jackie
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iS THIS ONE A
NY CONNECTION
Walter Johnson Head Age: 29 b: London Occ: Boatman Barge
E Johnson wife Age: 25 Alrewas, Staffordshire
Arthur Johnson Son Age: 5 b: Alrewas, Staffs
Eliza Johnson Dau Age: 3 b: Alrewas, Staffordshire
William Johnson Son Age 1 b: Alrewas, Staffordshire
Source: 1881 Census 1341645 RG11 2691/31 19
Residence: Boat moored at Little Heywood Wharf, Colwich, Staffordshire
Burials at Middlewich Cemetery, Cheshire
ID: 79
Entry No. 79
Name: Edward Johnson
Description of Person Buried: Son of Joseph Johnson, Boatman
Age: 3yrs
Place of Death: Newton
Date of Burial: 26/10/1868
Grave No. 374
Ann
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Hi Anne
I don't know. As I can't find Sarah with her parents I haven't been able to trace her siblings.
I noticed that the census you found it says "moored at" - does that mean that if they weren't moored they might not have completed the census - although I guess if they were just going up and down a canal they would have to moor overnight.
Joanna
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Hi
If you look at various census records for boatmen, they moored up for the night in some cases they give the name of the boat.
In this case they had moored up on the night of the census.
Ann
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How old was Sarah, she may not have been travelling with her family but on another boat. Restrictions on the number of people living on a Boat ie number of cabins.
You could try checking the boat records at the county archives. Stoke (Hanley)archieves have records, Stafford possibly as well.
Ann
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Hi Ann
Sarah was born in 1857ish. I assume the county archives are not online - I live in the south! In the 71 census John is living on land although it does say something under Brownhills which I can't read.
Joanna
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Afraid not, you have search them yourself.
Stoke archives have a lot of Boat Registers, to go through, when I did my research spent about 5hrs.
You could try contacting them and see if they do searches, they may charge for the service.
Ann
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Joanna
It's possible that the family may have been moored out of the census enumerators reach, I believe this is the reason why
some of my boatmen ancestors can't be found on census. Re 1861, I have quite a few missing from that one.
Jackie.
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Well I think that I might wait for retirement and the kids to move out then get myself off and around the country searching!!
Maybe they were moored out of reach and didn't register the childrens birth. I'll keep seaching!
Thanks
Joanna
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Hi Jan-p
Whilst looking for info I came across the following
Wolverhampton
St Marys - Marriages
169/338 11th July 1866
Samuel Evans Bach Boatman Cannock Roadson of Edward Evans deceased
Elizabeth Meredith Full Age Widow Canock Road dau of Francis Cape Boatman
marriage witnessed by William Chumbley and Hannah ?
St Marys - Baptism Records
133/1059 23rd May 1857
Elizabeth dau of Richard and Elizabeth Meredith Where Born: 'On Boat' fathers Occ: Boatman
Ann
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Hi JoTH
Found the following
St Marys - Wolverhampton
Marriages
Pg 24
34/67 28th may 1883
John Bannister Age: 21y Bach Boatman Residence; Boat 'Pelican'
Son of George Bannister
Sarah Jane Johnson Age: 20y Spinster Residence: Boat 'Nelly'
Dau of John Johnson Occ: Boatman
Witnessed by: J Mulharky and Eliza Mason
71/142 3rd April 1885
William Johnson Age:32 Occ: Boatman Residece: Boat'Barlaston'
Son of Peter Johnson Occ: Retired
Jane Wall Widow Age: 31 Occ: Boatwoman Residence: Boat 'Barlaston'
Dau of Edward Wordsby Occ: Boatman
William Foster Full Age Widow Occ Cabinet Lockmaker Residence: Montrose St,
Son of Thomas Foster Occ: Decesed
Ellen Johnson Full Age Spinster Residence: Montrose St, Dau of John Johnson Occ: Boatman
Witnessed by Richard and Anne Dobson
156/311 9th Feb 1855
William Guest Age: 25y Bach Occ: Waterman Residence: Springfields
Son of John Guest Occ: Weaver
Sarah Jane Johnson Age:19 Spinster Residence: Springfields
Dau of Peter Johnson Occ: Boatman
Witnessed by: Rebecca morris and Charles Bunn
84/168 28th may 1862
Frederick John Cartwright Full Age: Occ: Baker Residence: Montrose Street Son of John Cartwright Occ: Potter
Maria Johnson Age: 19y Spinster Dau of Peter Johnson Occ: Boatman
Witnessed by: William Brindley and Eliza Johnson
86/171 24th july 1862
John Johnson Full Age bach Occ;Boatman Residence; North Street
Son of John Johnson deceased
Sarah Dawson Full Age Spinster Residence: North Street
Dau of James Dawson Occ: Boatman
Witnessed by: C Moseley and Jane Yardley
163/325
Michael frederick Johnson Full Age Bach Occ: Goods Guard Residence: 24 Montrose St Son of peter Johnson Occ: Boatman
Emma Bentley Spinster Residence: Montrose St dau of Thomas Bentley Occ: Brewer
Witnessed by: William Brindley and eliza Bentley
St Marys - Baptism Records
4/30 24th October 1852
Mary Jane dau of Peter Johnson and Mary Residence: Springfields
Fathers Occ: Boatman
17/129 24th October 1853
William Son of Peter and mary Johnson Residence: Springfields Fathers
Occ: Boatman
141/1125 5th July 1864
Elizabeth Dau of William and Latitia Johnson Residence: Cannock Road Fathers Occ: Boatman
You might already have the above info
Ann
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Hi Valigene
Eliza Fradely (nee Harrison) is my 1st cousin 3 times removed.....
I am from the Harrison line if you check on our family website 'Boatmen and Miners' you will see there is a fair bit on many of thecanal boat families.
www.canalboatmenandwomen.co.uk
Cheers
Ginger
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hi val web addy is www.canalboatmenandwomen.co.uk
hi ginger ;)
kerry
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We also have a George Moore 1851, Spon Lane, he had a child born Hannah Moore 1884, born by the cut in Rowington. Any link here?
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We have a George Moore in our family tree, he was born in Spon Lane 1851. did yours have a daughter named Hannah(but liked to be called Annie or Nance) born about 1884, Rowington?
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Hi thereaper
My Gt. Grandfather was George Moore born 1851 Spon Lane and he did have a daughter Hannah. She was my Grandmother's sister. I don't know much about Hannah, but I'll sort my papers out and get back to you later. Perhaps we can compare notes.
Regards, Jackie.
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By all means. Hannah Moore or Annie as she's known is on my wifes side of the family. I have set up a site of GenesReunited & ancestry.co.uk, but still have some rooting around to do. I think we have a photo somewhere so I'll scan it & send it on.
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A photograph of Hannah Moore would be wonderful. The only photo I have is of my Grandmother, Esther, in later life, but you are welcome to a copy if you would like one. I've done some research on the family, but it's still work in progress, but you are welcome to any additional information I might h
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Can you contact me on (*) & we can see who we have in the trees.
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Some of the Johnson family members listed by Ann Cooper in her 10 April post were my forebears. John and Peter Johnson were brothers, working on the Mersey-Trent canal from the late 1830s onward. Some of their children were born at Sandbach in Cheshire, others at Stoke-on-Trent, and some at Wolverhampton. Quite a few of them were baptised - and later married - at St Mary's church, Wolverhampton, which was close to the canal basin. Another of the Johnson brothers was George, also a boatman, whose youngest son Reuben was landlord of the White Horse Inn at Middlewich. I have quite a lot of information about 'my' Johnsons, and I would be very happy to share it.
- judijee
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Some of the Johnson family members listed by Ann Cooper in her 10 April post were my forebears. John and Peter Johnson were brothers, working on the Mersey-Trent canal from the late 1830s onward. Some of their children were born at Sandbach in Cheshire, others at Stoke-on-Trent, and some at Wolverhampton. Quite a few of them were baptised - and later married - at St Mary's church, Wolverhampton, which was close to the canal basin. Another of the Johnson brothers was George, also a boatman, whose youngest son Reuben was landlord of the White Horse Inn at Middlewich. I have quite a lot of information about 'my' Johnsons, and I would be very happy to share it.
- judijee
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hi judijee,
if you have any photos i would be happy to put them on my website.
www.canalboatmenandwomen.co.uk
kerry
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Hi Kerry
Alas, I don't have any photos of my canal family - I wish I had! - but if you would like a family tree for your website I'd be glad to let you have one.
Cheers
-judijee
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Hi, I'am new to this so please be patient with me, I noticed Thomas Fradley born 1884 and died 1954 was being mentioned, well Thomas is my ggrandad... his parents i know were Benjamin born 1861 and Eliza Ann Williams born 1864 I don't know when she died, know he had a brother named Joshua, Samuel... would love to here from anyone else researching this family.
Regards Janet
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Hi Janet
Welcome to Rootschat - The Fradleys are in my family tree way back - have a look on Kerry's site which shows my family the Harrison and lots of others as well.
cheers
Ginger
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Hi, Ginger and thanks alot for replying,
Had a look at kerry's site it's very good, sent a e-mail to her with some additional info.... with regards Janet
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Hi
can you forward the email to me so I can update my info?
cheers
ginger
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Hi Ginger
Nice to hear from you again, well this is what I have Benjamin Fradley 1861-1896 married a Eliza Ann Williams 1864, don't know when she died they had the following children Thomas 1884-1958 (my ggrandad) he married a Drucilla Matilda Garratt 1885-1937 they had Benjamin, Betty, Drusilla, Edith (my nan) 1907-1968 and Rhoda 1915-2007.Benjamin also had a Samuel 1888-1920 who married a Elizabeth Moore, a Joshua 1886 who when Samuel died lived with Elizabeth Moore there is no record they actually got married, a Martha Ann 1889 who married a George Jackson a train driver who apparently drove the train with the Duke of Glouseshire's body in when he died in a plane crash in Scotland, Henry 1892 and a Eliza Ann 1894-1986 who married a Joel Leeson 1868-1940... Hope this helps and If you have any more info please let me know.. regards Janet
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Thanks for all that - I will put them on my tree and hopefully see who is related to who!!
cheers
Ginger
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Hi,
I thought you'd like to know that my connection with boatmen and women is through the Moore family and Elizabeth (Moore) Fradley married Joshua Fradley, March Quarter 1921 Wolstanton District, following the death of Samuel in 1920.
Regards, Jackie.
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Hi Jackie, nice to hear from you. Joshua was my ggrandad's brother (Thomas), do you by any chance have a photo of them, my uncle Bill remembers going and visiting Joshua when he lived at Albermarl Road, did you know that Joshua and Thomas both owed boats from the age of 13. Sorry about the mix up about Joshua and Elizabeth not being married I was told this by Joshua's ggrandaughter, she had tried to get their marriage cert and couldn't find a record of it only that of Samuel the other brother and Elizabeth.. but i will pass on to her the info you have given me, and thanks for that....regards Janet
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Hi Janet,
The only picture I have of Joshua and Elizabeth is via Ancestry.com. and is attached. Unfortunately I haven't got any other photos. I've been trying to find family photos for years. I hope this helps.
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Hi Janet,
Sorry, I don't think the attachment worked, so I'm trying again.
Regards, Jackie
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Thanks for the photo, I have a Photo of Thomas and his wife and a photo of the mother to Joshua and Thomas which was Eliza Ann Williams. When I get them scanned I can send them to you if you want...Thanks again regards Janet
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Hi Janet,
Thanks, it would be nice to have some photos. Let me know if the one of Joshua and Elizabeth is too small, because I've found the same one, but a little larger.
Regards, Jackie
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Hi Jackie sorry yes it was too small, are you on ancestry.com? is it easier to send it to my tree? I don't know not very good with the computor, my tree goes under Pass and Doorbar, as soon as I sort those photo's out and I get them scanned I will send you those photo's. Have to take them into work for a work mate to do them for me even though I have a 18year old who is a IT Tech but it's hard enough just getting him out of bed...regards Janet
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Hi Janet,
Unfortunately the photo of Joshua and Elizabeth is quite small, but this one is a little better, although if you enlarge it too much it becomes blurred.
Regards, Jackie.
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Sorry about this Janet but for some reason it hasn't worked again, I'll have a go at sending it to you via Ancestry.
Jackie
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Hi Janet,
Third attempt it's worked.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie it worked, god help me if it took you three attempts, but hopefully a workmate will scan Thomas tomorrow for me and I can return the favour.
Thank you so much..... Kind regards Janet
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Hi Jackie, here as promised is a picture of Thomas Fradley, Joshua's brother, the other photo is of Eliza Ann Williams Joshua's and Thomas's mother...hope you get them.. please let me know if you don't
Regards Janet
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Hi Janet,
Received photos ok, they are great. Thanks very much, I really appreciate you sending them to me.
Regards, Jackie.
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Hi, Jackie are you on ancestry.com by any chance if you are let me know and i can send you an invite to join my tree... as I have photo's of Thomas's first and second wife, glad the photo's worked out.. they looked very big.
Regards Janet
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Hi Janet,
Sorry for delay in replying, but due to family illness I've only just got round to reading my e-mails. In answer to your question, yes I am a member of Ancestry.com.
Regards, Jackie.
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Hi, Jackie
Nice to hear from you, hope the family illness was not to serious my e-mail address is (*) you can contact me that way if you want to.
Regards Janet
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Not boatmen, but lock keepers and toll collectors on the Staffs. & Worcs. Canal from around 1841 to 1906. Bradley, Johnson, Piddock
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Hi all hoping to find any people with canal boatmen or women in their trees, mine come from the harrison line, in tipton but being boatmen they travelled all over so have a lot elsewhere too, if anyone has any let me know
thanks kerry
For reasons and circumstances that have happened today i would like to add that the contents and photo's on my webite are from family members, the information is from numerous family members and years of searching with help also from family members and numerous geneaology sites including rootschat without them i would never have found the family members who have helped me, the cover of my website is my husbands grandmother emily harrison wife of jack/john harrison.
If your family do appear on the website and you are not happy with it being there please let me know and i will delete it
thank you all kerry
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Hi Janet,
Unfortunately I haven't received your e-mail address as you have to send it via the Personal Message system.
Jackie.
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Hi Kerry, I originally placed a post (Reply 62 &th Feb 09)
just to say that one branch of my family (Williams) were boat people and they lived and worked on canal barges with their families from 1860 - 1900.
My earliest info is that of my Gt Grandfather Enoch & his wife Ann from about 1865 onwards. My Grandad, William Williams was born in 1876 in Wembury, Nantwich.
I now know that my Gt Uncle George Williams (also a boatman) was working as a Flatman and living in Chester with his family.
Daughter Susan married Samuel Busby, daughter Emily married John Taylor.
Anyone recognise names at all? - ' Williams ' line.
Cheers
Barbara.
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Hi All
I posted this message this morning on the strays page with no replys so I am trying again here.
I am trying my best to research my family and boatmen play a large part in it My Grandmother born in 1895 in Tipton was the daughter of John Godfrey ( boatman) and I have managed to trace back from there three generations of boatmen. This is where I get stuck. In the 1851 census I have the following:
Thomas Godfrey 37 boatman
Sarah 37
Maria 11
Jane 5
Elizabeth 7
John 3
James Wm 9 Mo
Living in Ladywood Birmingham
I have been trying to move to the 1871 census to find further information regarding Thomas and Sarah but come to a sudden stop. I looked in the BMD and I found death notes for both of them in 1866. The question is was there an accident about that time or could there be another simple reason. Of course I might be barking up the wrong tree, so any advise would be useful.
I was born and raised in Tipton and lived opposite Burnt Tree Primary school
in Whitehouse Street where I spent my formative years.
My Interests
Humphries
Jones
Turner
Godfrey
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My Great Grandfather Thomas Smith c 1852 was a boatman working from Hardingswood Kidsgrove, He was married to Sarah Archer, whose father Samuel Archer 1822 Leek, lived Hollins and Odd Rode, Cheshire, working as a boatman. Samuel Archer was married to Sarah Jones born Kidderminister, But her parents Thomas Jones and his wife Hannah and Sarah's siblings were all born Staffs. In 1841 The family was in Butt Lane, near Kidsgrove, Thomas Jones was a boatman. Samuel Archer's father was Joseph b1789 and was also a boatman.
Going back to The Smith's Thomas' father Henry b1828'ish Stoke was a boatman but I cannot find him in 1841, although by 1851 he was living near Shelton wharf. His father John on marriage certificate was a woodturner, can't find him in 1841 either? Any links and will check out the website thanks Nel
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Hi Kerry
Just had a look at the website and here is some additional information for you
Fradley
William Fradley b: c1775 Stone, Staffordshire
father of
Benjamin Fradley b: 08/10/1795 Stone, Staffordshire, Chri: 13/10/1795 Married: Elizabeth Hassal
and
Solomon Fradley b: 1797 Bapt: 22/10/1797 Stone, Staffordshire Occ: Boatman
Children of Benjamin and Elizabeth
1. Alice Fradley b: 03/05/1816 Bapt: 03/05/1816 d: c 09/1866 Age: 50y Registered in Stoke on Trent Mar: Henry Calkin b: 30/08/1811 Staffordshire Bapt: 31/08/1811 St Mary, Stafford Occ: Painter Mar: 21/08/1837 at Bucknall, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire d: c12/1874 Age: 63y Registered at Stone.
1841 Census
Lists Henry, wife Alice and children Harriet Age: 2y and James Age: 10mths living at Canal Bridge, Stone, Staffordshire
1851 Census his Occ: Painter and Glazier
1861 Census Henry Age 45y? living with wife and 5 children at 41 Stafford Street, Longton, Staffordshire
Alice Age:44y Occ: given as Painters wife
Henry and Alice had 7 Children (I have some details available)
2. Benjamin Fradley b: 02/01/1818 Chr: 11/01/1818 Stone, Staffordshire. d: 28/01/1818 Stone, Staffordshire
3. Anne Fradley b: 04/11/1819 Stone, Staffordshire Chr: 07/11/1819 Stone, Staffordshire
4. Charles Fradley b: 23/01/1822 Stone, Staffordshire d: 1822
5. Harriet Fradley b: 1826 Stone, Staffordshire Bapt: 08/10/1826 Stone, Staffordshire Mar:(1) Abraham Chadwick b: 1817 Goldenhill, Staffordshire Occ: Boatman Mar: (2) James Ashley b: 01/02/1822 Newcastle, Staffordshire Bapt: 04/03/1822 Lower Street Wesleyan, Newcastle, Staffordshire Married 12/06/1843 Stone, Staffordshire d: c 1844
4 Children from marriage (1)
6. Mary Ann Fradley b: 1828 Bapt: 21/12/1828 Stone, Staffordshire
7. Eliza Fradley b: 1831 Bapt: 30/01/1831 Stone, Staffordshire
8. Sarah Fradley b: 1835 Bapt: 05/08/1835 Stone, Staffordshire
9. Benjamin Fradley b: 1838 Bapt: 04/11/1838 Stone, Staffordshire Occ: Boatman
1861 Penkhill RG9 1938 41
1871 Middlewich RG10 3700 52
1881 Odd Rode RG11 3536 74
1891 Odd Rode RG13 3345 16
10. Charles Fradley b: 1847 Stone, Staffordshire
11. Elizabeth Fradley b: 18/05/1823 Bapt: 25/05/1823 Stonefield, Stone, Staffordshire
I have also found Fradley burials in Middlewich, Cheshire, do you want these details.
Have plenty more Fradley information on paper.
Happy reading
Ann
Hi Ann,
I'm new to this site and have not previously been on any other chat line. I have concentrated more on my ancestry( on paper and as yet incomplete) the history is still in my head( I must write it down!) I see that you are related to the Fradley family. Charles the youngest son of Ben and Ann Fradley was my Grandfather. William, my ggg grandfather married Margaret (babtised Peggy, the daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Bloor,( bn/bbt 25.6.1762 at Stone) on 1.11.1778 at Stone. He and the Bloors are not natives of Stone. I traced William to Gayton where he was born to Thomas and Elizabeth Fradley on 16.4.1758. Thomas appeared to be an agricultural labourer as they moved around several adjacent parishes , I found no record of any more Marriages in the films of Parish records available to me at LDS family history library. but the I.G.I. has a record of the marriage of Thomas to Elizabeth Pritchard at Stowe by Chartley on 20.7.1755.I double checked the parish record with negative result. I was beginning to think that they were common law marriages and have now only tenuous links through another Thomas and Elizabeth to Nicholas and Jane and an other Nicholas and Jane whose earliest entry in Gayton was a birth in 1646.I do have more detail but it is likely that you have already researched this. If you have or Know of anyone who has I would be interested to hear if you have had more success with the early marriages. The Bloor name crops up again later linked to my grandmothers family.
I hope this is of interest.
tony1439
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Hi Folks, I am new to the chatroom but I am trying to trace back my ancestors who are listed on some old marriage and birth certificates I have inhrited, as boatmen.
George Walker, my great grandfather was married to Mary Ann Pearton who's father George Pearton was also shown as a boatman. Also my paternal Grandfather William Morris who married George Walkers daughter Caroline was listed on the marriage certificate as a boatman. The all seem to have been in the Paddington area of London around the 1800's but might have been originally from the Tipton/Dudley area of Worcestershire.
Any further info would be appreciated.
Thanks
Joy
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Hi Tony,
I noticed your posting regarding the Fradleys, I dont know if this helps or if you already have this info.
Samuel Bloors wife her maiden name was Dix b 1742 Eccleshall, Staffordshire they married 28/7/1781. William Fradley who married Margaret (Peggy) b 1775 their daughter, they had a son Soloman b 1797. William is also said to have married a Jane B 1758 they had a Martha b 1783, George b 1788 and a Thomas b 1789.
The Benjamin and Ann you mentioned I take this to be Ann Stanworth and their son Charles b 1962 he married a Emma Barnett, well Charles's brother Benjamin Born 1861married a Eliza Ann Williams and they had a Thomas, who was my ggrandad, it's funny to see your posting as if this is right and Charles did marry a Emma, I was at All Saint Church Rode Heath yesterday and saw their grave, I photographed it.. anyway please get in touch regards Janet
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On my tree I have Robert Doughty and quite a few other Doughty,s who owned and worked on canal boats also John Doughty . his wife Ann Geary made a will in the 1700s
she states that she is having a trow built at Stodds yard ,which when finished
is to be named {The Three Brothers }.
Marie.
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to Janet Smith,
Hi Janet,
thanks for the info on Elizabeth Bloor (nee Dix). I haven't started her line yet. From the parish records at Stone I traced half of
Elizabeth Hassall's line but lost her father Joshua due possibly to the poor state of the records or the fact that he came from elsewhere. I have leads but have not done anything on it for ages. I had more success with my grandmother Emma Barnet over the last few months. You g grandfather Thomas was my mother's cousin. We lived across the road from him until I was 17. We new him as uncle Tom
I knew your grandma Edith and her husband Frank, as I was growing up with Bill and Jim. Elizabeth I knew but she was younger. I remember Dru very well and her children Jean and John but lost track when they moved to Scholar Green( I think) Likewise Rhoda and her son Michael when they moved to Nuneaton( again I think that's right). I haven't seen any of them for a very long time. Bill was the last and that must be at least 15 years . I hope they are all well. I will keep in touch. kind regards Tony1439
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Hi Tony sorry it's taken me a bit of time to get back to you, I've only just seen it, we have been camping near to my mums caravan, near Wem. Bill and Joan have also been up and stayed for a few days, Auntie Rhoda died two years ago she was a lovely lady, I keep in touch with Rhoda's daughter Mary, she's trying to do the Garrett side of the family, Thomas's 1st wife was Drucilla Matilda Garrett, I don't know if you remember. I have a feeling Michael died a few years ago.
My nan Edith I don't remember as she died when I was only 1, uncle Jim now lives in Kidsgrove, very near to my mum. Uncle Bill and Auntie Joan still live in Rode Heath, Tony what's your full name (if you dont mind me asking so I can tell Uncle bill. Jean Druc's daughter changed her name by depole to drucilla.
Was I right about Charles and Emma Barnett being buried at All Saints then with their son? if so I have a photo of their grave if you want it, if you havent already got it.
anyway look forward to hearing from you Janet
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Hi, I'm new to all this so bear with me.
I've been researching my family tree & discovered that my ancestors were boatpeople. The family name is Betts, the furthest I've traced back is my Great Grandfather - Abraham Betts but I believe his Father & Grandfather were also boat people from the Bilston/Stafford area.
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Hi Janet.
yes you were right about my grand parents Charles and Emma Fradley, being buried at Rode church. There are quite a few buried there and also married there. They were mainly Methodists,though I do have a photo of my great grandfather Ben Fradley with Salvation Army cap. He is buried at Middlewich Cemetery with his wife Ann and elder son Joshua as you probably know. My Grand father was a Trustee of the Primitive Methodist's Chapel in Thurlwood which was closed but reopened for his funeral in 1962.unfortunately I was doing my National Service in the Far East at the time. His older sister Elizabeth Price donated ( if that is the word) the Font ,your uncle Bill will remember it as he used to sing there as a boy and had a good voice as I recall. I think he will remember me being the only one with this Christian name at that time. I can't scan photos at the moment but you can have a copy if you haven't got one.There is a Portrait of him at my cousin's in Alsager but I haven't got one of Ann.I have a few photosof their children Charles, Rebecca, William, Sarah, Elizabeth and Joshua but not Ben, I'm sorry. If you have and can fill in the blanks I would be grateful for copies!
regards Tony1439
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Hi Tony phoned uncle Bill and yes he knows who you are Emily your mum right.. Oh and I would love a copy of any photo's you have, I have Thomas my ggrandad and his first wife Drucilla, Joshua and Samuel his brothers and their wife as they married the same woman, also Eliza ann Williams there mum, I also have a photo of Elizabeth and her husband William Price and two of their daughters Elsie and Bertha.. let me know if they are of any use, are you on ancestry? Kind regards Janet
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Hi Janet( & anyone else researching the Fradley family)...Linda here...well to say I'm confused is an understatement, so confused in fact that I'm thinking of deleting everyone after Solomon & Benjamin as I'm no longer sure of their parentage, and starting again. Most folk on Ancestry.co.uk have, like us, their parents as William Fradley & Anne Podmore, but on the birth records for both Solomon & Benjamin parents are given as William Fradley & Margaret ( no maiden name given)...they're also given as parents to Hannah Fradley ( b1803 if memory serves without checking my tree) Now the only marriage record I can find for a Wm F and a Margaret is years before Benjamin's and Solomon's birth which is not to say that that isn't possible, but if it's right then we have completely the wrong William as their father.
Anyone with any helpful information please do get in touch.
Regards,
Linda
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To Kerry1212
Hi Kerry, what a great website you have created! You have my Fradley side( I will give you one or two additions later) My grandmother's side lists the following so far--Barnet, Grange, Brooks, Brereton, Egerton Doughand Palin( The last five from Middlewich records)
Assuming that you are not already aware of it, I would like draw your attention ( and everyone else) to a superb book called A Canal People by Sonia Rolt of the photographs of Robert Longden. Taken in the early 1950s a collection of first class photos of working life mainly around the Coventry and Oxford canals. The people including children belong to families with following names--Collins, Grantham, Berrill, Carter, Humphries, Humphreys, Skinner, Stokes, Bray, Ward, Wilson, Nixon, Monk, Hone, Taylor, Slater, Newbold, Beechey, Smith, Gibbons, Littlemore, Hanbridge, Lane, Lapworth, Whitlock, Wilson, Tonks, Beauchamp, Griffiths, Peasland, Harrison, McDonald, Anderson, Rogers, Jackson, Tom Rolt, Best, Merchant, Higgins, Boswell, Rice, Hough and others many of which will still be alive. The boats of Samuel Barlow Coal Co Ltd of Birmingham feature but there are others like Fellows Morton and Clayton and British Waterways. I would consider it a must for everyone interested in the history of families on the canals. It depicts what all our familes did. Published 1997, Paperback 1998 by Sutton Publishing Limited, Phoenix Mill, Thrupp, Gloucester, GL5 2BU. Paperback £12.99. Contains a list of books from 1878 to 1996 about Canals. I got my copy from Borders but I'm sure it could be bought through any bookshop. I'll be in touch later, Regards Tony1439
P.S. I dont have shares in shops or publishing.
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To Kerry1212,
Hi, I just saw that I had misspelled a name . Instead of Dough read Doughty. sorry.
Tony1439
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to Lindarhead.
Hi Linda, I spent a long time on the film of the parish records of Stone which shows that the records were in a poor state when filmed. Apart from some of the scribble( much of it was in a variety of legible scripts)many pages were either bleached out or indecypherable. Working from the most recent to the earliest I recorded the Fradleys as they appeared.Benjamin s/o Ben and Eliz Fradley was born4.11.1838, there were nine other births inccluding Benjamin born 2.1.1818 who had, I believed, died. I found no record of his burial. I have seen in many families the death recorded of one child and later another is given the same name. Benjamin (who maried Elizabeth) was born the son ofWilliam and Margaret Fradley. I recorded the births of their children as follows-William 10.1.1781 bt 13.1.1781.--Samuel 29.12.1783--Sarah 15.5.1786 bt22.5.1786---Thomas 4.9.1789. bt19.9.1789--John 9.6.1791 bt19.6.1791--Benjamin 8.10.1795 bt13.10.1795--Solomon 26.9.1797 bt 5.11. 1797. I also found a Solomon born 29.1.1800 and no record of death of the first Solomon. If William is working as a boatman the child could have been buried elsewhere, this could also account for the delay between birth and babtism of Benjamin.
I found that William married Margaret Bloor on 1.11.1778. she was christened Peggy on 26.61762 the daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Bloor. There were no Margarets recorded. At that time it seemed to be common practice to christen girls with a diminutive form of the name like Polly and Peggy. In the records I noted that there were other Fradleys who were probably cousins and as I said in an earlier note they came from the parishs just north of Stafford. I noted that a William was buried on16.6.1830. Does that help?
Regards, Tony1439
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To Lindarhead.
Hi Linda, I have just read what I typed late last night and realised that I had made a mistake.
Benjamin s/o Benjaminand Elizabeth Fradley born 2.1.1818 at Stone died and was buried on 28.1.1818. I was working from rough notes I made at the time and I was tired. Sorry.
Regards. tony1439
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Thanks Tony, that's excellent, absolutely brilliant!!... :)
I shall alter my family tree accordingly.
I sent you a PM with my email address in case there is any other Fradley info we can share.
Thanks again, Linda.... :D
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I've read with great interest the information collected on this site about the Fradley family.My great grandfather was William Fradley,son of Benjamin Fradley and Ann Stanworth.He married Ellen Firkins in 1892 in Congleton ,Cheshire and they went on to have John(my grandfather),Florence, Rebecca, Ellen, Emily, Violet and William.I would be pleased to see any photos anyone has of Benjamin and Ann's children as the ones my family had and there were many as I can recall from my childhood days were sadly destroyed.My grandfather John worked on the canal boats as a young man and
married my grandmother Harriet Wall whose father was a lockkeeper at Shelton Locks.
Regards
Joan
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Hello Janet, Thank you for the photo of William's sister Elizabeth.I can see the family resemblance to the photos that I remember seeing as a child of the Fradley males.They were probably of William and his brothers,but I do recall that they looked like my grandfather,John. I will try and contact other members of the family to see if they can help and will then be back in touch.Thanks again, Joan.
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On my tree I have Robert Doughty and quite a few other Doughty,s who owned and worked on canal boats also John Doughty . his wife Ann Geary made a will in the 1700s
she states that she is having a trow built at Stodds yard ,which when finished
is to be named {The Three Brothers }.
Marie.
Hi Marie,
In my ancestry I have an Eliza Doughty (Bn.c1831) married to a Daniel Barnett ( Bn. c 1823) my ggGrandparents, whose line I am currently working on.The census gives her birthplace as Worcester and her mother as Esther Doughty(Bn.c1798) of Worcestershire, who was with her in Congleton, Cheshire in 1871. Daniel and his son William are boatmen.I know that the name is quite widespreadbut I wondered if any of your ancestry came from Worcester and if there was any connection. I haven't yet chosen which parish to go for. Perhaps you could direct me! Looking forward to hearing from you.
Tony1439
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Hi Tony,
I haven't been here for a while but I am a direct descendant of Nicholas Fradley 1679 and Jane Holland.1672, are these the two you have.
My lot came from Gayton/Kingston, and were agricultural workers.
I don't know of canal links but often wondered how my great grandfather in staffordshire met my great grandmother in Lubenham, Leicestershire. The canals are near by??
Val
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I traced William to Gayton where he was born to Thomas and Elizabeth Fradley on 16.4.1758. Thomas appeared to be an agricultural labourer as they moved around several adjacent parishes , I found no record of any more Marriages in the films of Parish records available to me at LDS family history library. but the I.G.I. has a record of the marriage of Thomas to Elizabeth Pritchard at Stowe by Chartley on 20.7.1755.I double checked the parish record with negative result. I was beginning to think that they were common law marriages and have now only tenuous links through another Thomas and Elizabeth to Nicholas and Jane and an other Nicholas and Jane whose earliest entry in Gayton was a birth in 1646.I do have more detail but it is likely that you have already researched this. If you have or Know of anyone who has I would be interested to hear if you have had more success with the early marriages. The Bloor name crops up again later linked to my grandmothers family.
I hope this is of interest.
tony1439
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hello there my name is john meaney i was born in tustall staffs my g/g grandmother was alice james my grandmars name was mary ann meaney she married john my granddad i did not no the hollinshead side of the family if you would like any more info please let me no thanks john
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hi/i also have canal boatmen and women in my family
fereday
dench
mcdonald
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hi Tony,
The names do not sound familiar, but I will get my Doughty tree + information out and get back to you saturday . My Doughty,s are mainly from the Brosley ,Madley area, Its great to find someone else doing the Doughty,s of Shropshire .Other surnames connected from that area are : Bill , Geary,
Hartshorn and Smith .
Marie
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Hi Tony ,This may be a connection,
Hiram Doughty son of George Doughty and Margaret Hartshorne ( my 5 times gt Grandparents ) ,Hiram was born 1804 Jackfield ,Shropshire ,died 1875 ,he married Maria Wilkes (1st wife) 5-2-1833. Maria ,born Pershore Worcestershire.
children, George Hiram Doughty b1834 Pershore,Worcestershire.
Ann Doughty,born 29-9-1834 ,married Thomas Clark Johns 1863.
Alfred Doughty born25-9-1836,married Harriette Dance 11-2-1862.
Mary Ann Birch ,Hiram,s 2nd wife
son: Robert Joseph Doughty born 21-4-1863, died 1863.
Ann was born in Upton on Severn ,Worcestershire
also Alfred,he married Harriete in Claines ,Worcestershire.
George Hiram son of hiram married Elizabeth ? 2-7-1857 Claines Worcestershire.
I do not know the Worcestershire area at all but it sounds like Claines and
Pershore could be Parishes. I hope this is helpful , Iwill be in touch again if I find more for you.
Marie :)
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hi Tony , have found ;st Johns Church Wolverhampton August 22nd 1862 page
235 entry 470 Daniel Barnett 34 bach. boatman Green Lane. son of Daniel Barnett ,boatman witnessed by Charles and Martha Doughty.It dos,nt say who he marries, but Free b.m.d. may have her.
Marie
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hello mel my name is john meaney my grandmothers name was mary ann james her mothers name was alice who married tom james she was an hollinshead so me and your husband have the same great grandmother i wood be interested hearing from you all the best john
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Hi Tony
On a previous posting you told me about the font that was given by Elizabeth Price in respect of her brothers death Charles, well I have been trying to find it, Terry the vicar from All saints has e-mailed me and found a font waiting to be erected in his church that he dosen't no where it came from all that was on it was that it came from the old village. Also been in touch with Chester archives and they are going to do a search for any info on the trustee's of the methodist church apparently my grandad was also one. Anyway Kind regards Janet
Oh Uncle Jim says Hi Jumbo
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Hi
I have family links to canal people with the surnames, Brooks, Gardner, Smith, Powell, Wright, Chater and several others. Mainly from the Braunston, Coventry area.
Looking for any info.
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Hi everyone,
I'm descended from the Moore family of Tipton, my Grandmother Elizabeth Alice Moore was the youngest child of Isaac Moore b.1846 Tipton. They were nearly all boatmen & women and lived in Malthouse Road Tipton at various times. I'd love to hear from anyone with more info or related to anyone in my tree. If anyone needs to know more, please ask!
In my tree I have:
My Great Grandad: Isaac Moore
B. 1846 Tipton (or sometimes Kings Langley!)
M. Sarah A Jones
M. Charlotte sometime between 1891-1901
Lived: 1861 Factory Rd Tipton (boatman)
1871 5 Malthouse Rd Tipton (bargeman)
1881 5 Malthouse Rd (boatman)
1891 The boat “Elizabeth” New Brentford (master)
1901 The boats “Shamrock” & “Atlanta” Paddington
Children of Isaac Moore and Sarah A Jones:
John Moore B. 1869 Tipton Ann Jane Moore B. 1870 Tipton
Ada J Moore B. 1871 Tipton Joseph Moore B. 1873 Tipton
Sarah A Moore B. 1875 Tipton Isaac Moore B. 1877 Banbury Oxfordshire
Harry Moore B. 1878 Cheadle Staffordshire Martha Moore B. 1880 Weston upon Trent Staffordshire
Mary A Moore B. 1887 Bedworth Warks Hannah Moore B. 1883 Tipton
Elizabeth Alice Moore B. 1890 Wendover Buckinghamshire
My Great Great Grandad: Isaac Moore
B. 1813 Wolverhampton
D. 1889 Tipton
M. Rebecca Nichols 11/06/1832 St Martins Birmingham
Lived: 1861 Factory Rd Tipton (boatman)
1871 13 Malthouse Rd Tipton (railway porter)
1881 The boat ‘Derwent’ canalside Malthouse Rd (captain)
Children of Isaac Moore and Rebecca Nichols:
William Moore B. 1838 Tipton
M. Hannah (B. 1842 Oldbury)
Children: Hannah (1865- Tipton) Thomas (1868- Tipton) Joseph (1871- Wolves) John (1874- Tipton) James (1878- Wolves) Henry (1881- Wolves) George (1884- Wolves)
Thomas Moore
B. 1842 Spon Lane Staffs (probably Spon Lane canal locks West Bromwich)
D. Poss. 1923
M. Sarah Ann Franks (B. 1846 Leighton Buzzard) 1868
Children: George (1868-) Joseph (1873-) Louisa (1874-1962) Frederick (1879-) Ernest "Ernie" (1881-) Mabel E (1884-) Walter M (1888-) Harry (1890-) Arthur (1896-)
Mary Moore B. 1844 Spon Lane Staffs
Isaac Moore B. 1846 Tipton
George Moore B. 1852 Spon Lane Staffs
M. Elizabeth (B. 1854 Braunston Northamptonshire)
Children: Esther (1873- Tipton) Elizabeth (1875- London) Sarah J (1876- Tipton) Julia A (1878- Tipton) Hannah (1884- Rowington Warwickshire)
Rebecca (1885- London) Sarah (1889- Tipton)
Elizabeth Moore
B. 1853 Spon Lane Staffs
My Great Great Great Grandad John Moore:
B. 1769 Sedgley
M. Esther Bratt 10/10/1790
Children: Benjamin B.1791 Wolves Thomas B.1799 Wolves Esther B.1801 Wolves
Samuel B.1808 Wolves Margeret B.1805 Wolves William B. 1804 Wolves
Isaac B.1813 Wolves
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Hi to Jackie3, thanks for the reply. I'm unable to send a personal message (not enough posts maybe?) but am very interested in sharing info. Jon.
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Hi everyone - ;D
Fairly recently I discovered that my great-grandfather's eldest sibling, Elizabeth Booth, born Runcorn 1858 married a William Twigg, boatman from Wolverhampton.
For the first few decades of their married life they lived in Runcorn where he worked on the ship canal. Then between the 1901 and 1911 censuses the family (some of the sons) upped and moved down to Lilleshall. There they were living on their own barge "Leonard" which on the night of the census was moored at Humber Wharf.
Their sons Richard, George William, Harold and Ernest were all working as boatmen in various capacities, one or two surely with their father. (Elizabeth and William had several other adult children, but I'm not sure where they were at the time.)
Has anyone a Twigg on their tree? (I couldn't resist.) ::)
All the best,
Anne.
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Hi Folks, I am new to the chatroom but I am trying to trace back my ancestors who are listed on some old marriage and birth certificates I have inhrited, as boatmen.
George Walker, my great grandfather was married to Mary Ann Pearton who's father George Pearton was also shown as a boatman. Also my paternal Grandfather William Morris who married George Walkers daughter Caroline was listed on the marriage certificate as a boatman. The all seem to have been in the Paddington area of London around the 1800's but might have been originally from the Tipton/Dudley area of Worcestershire.
Any further info would be appreciated.
Thanks
Joy
Just to say in my family of Boatmen I have a Catherine Morris brn 1859 . She was my dads Grandmother and Married to James Payton Boatman areound the Tipton area. Her Father was Robert Morris who married Jane Longmore from the Kinver area . They lived in the caves just above the Canal and were boat people . Is there a link ? Regards Jean
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Hi Ann,
I'm Sonia (from page 4 of this thread)'s niece and i'm also looking for info on Banjamin Wood & Harriet Harrison, and Thomas Wood & Lois Daniels. I'm not sure if you have posted any info on them.
Do you have any?
Thanks,
Christy
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Hi i wondered if you had come accross the dunn family or statham family in your tree they are in my family and were boat people in sedgley and wolverhampton.
All the best sharon
Hi Sharon
Just to say that I have Statham in my family . Hannah Statham was married to my Granny Smiths Elder Brother George henry ( I have a photo of her with her children) Also her sister Mary Statham married to my Nans other brother Soloman Smith . Is this any help ?
Regards Jean :)
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hello
harriet harrison born 31 aug 1839
benjamin wood born 1835 oldridge occ boatman & lock keeper
married 14 jan 1856 @ st marys wolverhampton
harriet was my gg grandad allen harrison sister
if this ties in with your harriet & benjamin i can give you siblings details
best wishes
jeannette
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hiya i am linda ward the 5th eldest child of george and violet ward we are a very large family of 15 children i was born on the boats at wolverhampton my family and thier family was boat people i also know od the granthams and collins and most of the families mentiond on here i also have loads of photographs of the boats and families i am 62 now and live in wellingborough not far from the mill down the river where we took wheat to from brentford if you are intrested let me know hope to hear back from you soon linda
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hello linda
messed up a bit with prev dates so will go from another angle mark harrison born birmingham around 1911 1st wife ann second wife dolly ward they are both buried together @ braunston . mark was the youngest brother of my grandad allen harrison born 1901 @ brentford married to emma hale.
i live close to heathrow airport so not far from brentford
regards
jeannette
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hiya mark harrison is my uncle married one of my dads sisters dolly thier children are all married and got thier own famlies now annie and teddy live in braunston but i dont know where the younger sister lives she was named after her mam ted goes to coventry alot to drink with our lot im one of george wards family
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hi linda i am in contact with the daughter from marks first marrige & the sons of two of the sisters ten children born in all only 5 survived beond 5years of age. they have all passed on now,did you know the father james (jimmy) re married am at present looking into half brothers & sisters will tell more details when i can p.m. you
jeannette
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hello linda
acc made contact only last night with alfie & violet in coventry, spoke on the phone for over 2 hours she was going to get a message to teddy for me , i have a set of canal history post cards with 1 of them showing mark, dolly & 2 children the other shows mark.
jeannette
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Dear Harrissons
How lovely to you you all chatting as a family . Another success for this site . I am from the Smith/Payton family and we all found each other last summer and had a meet in September . It was wonderful , the most striking thing I think in boating families is the warm between them .
Regards Jean x
Attached is a 1910 photo with my Gran Sarah Smith as a young woman with her mum and dad Thomas and Eliza Smith also girls Eliza and Elizabeth and young man Edward .
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dear catsclaws
what a great photo .do you mind if i copy it to add to my own personal files of canal famlys & morton & clayton boats ? i dont suppose you have any guesses where it was taken.
regards
jeannette
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Hi
Sounds like you've got some interesting stuff linda. Do you have thing to do with Brooks, Chater, Wenlock, Smith, Gardner families? My rellies were boatman in the Midlands/Northants/Bucks area.
:)
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Hi Jeanette
Please be my guest . I havent a clue where the photo was taken . It is a well known photo in my family . Sonia Rolte's first husband George Smith was My Grans nephew . These were his grandparents and Aunts and Uncle . She used this photo in her book 'A Canal People' .
There are a few of their descendants on here .
I have a 1911 census of them on these boats too but the writing is unclear as to where they are .
regards Jean
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hi linda i have just pm'd you, as i have said my husband is from the harrisons his grandfather was john "jack"harrison and his grandmother was emily who sadly drowned in 1943, you can see a pic of emily on the front of my website www.canalboatmenandwomen.co.uk jacks father was samuel harrison who was james's brother
great to hear more people coming forward from the family
kerry
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hi Kerry I sent all my stuff to you again for your site . Did you not receive any of it ? :(
Its such a shame because I have managed to trace the payton family right back to the longmores and Coleys who lived in the Caves above the Canals nr Dudley .
Best Wishes Jean
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hi jean, not recieved nothing as yet, i keep checking every day too :'(
kerry
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Hi Kerry .. I just sent a quick E mail to both Mail addresses you sent me . Hoping one will get through . I shall send the stuff again to the address you send back to me .
Robert the Bruce and the Spider comes to mind . try try try again :)
Best Wishes Jean
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Helloo
Boatmen in my tree
Richard Jones b 1800 Kingswinford
son William Jones b 1838 Bromley later moved north to wakefield and lived at a village called Bottomboat.
cheers
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Hi Jeanette
Please be my guest . I havent a clue where the photo was taken . It is a well known photo in my family . Sonia Rolte's first husband George Smith was My Grans nephew . These were his grandparents and Aunts and Uncle . She used this photo in her book 'A Canal People' .
There are a few of their descendants on here .
I have a 1911 census of them on these boats too but the writing is unclear as to where they are .
regards Jean
thank you v much
jeannette
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hello
all you rellys out there to past canal boatmen & women not forgetting any originals still with us.
myself & pam are going to braunston boat festival again this year to meet up with some of my family members.
how about a roots chat meet for all canal linked men & women (first at the bar buys a round ha ha)
think of all the stories & photos we could swap
jeannette
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Hi Cats Claw
Lovely photograph! Are your Smith family related to Emmanuel Smith? I have quite a large family network boat related to Braunston etc? Do you have any record of the surname Chater or Brooks in your info.
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hello
all you rellys out there to past canal boatmen & women not forgetting any originals still with us.
myself & pam are going to braunston boat festival again this year to meet up with some of my family members.
how about a roots chat meet for all canal linked men & women (first at the bar buys a round ha ha)
think of all the stories & photos we could swap
jeannette
we're coming this time jeanette, phone ya later ;D
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Hi Canal babe
I am not sure if they are related . The guy on the photo is Thomas Smith 1858-c1937 . I know he was born in Penkridge though but I have his parents as James Smith 1881 and Hannah Hanley 1830.
His siblings are George Smith 1853 and Hannah 1854 and Soloman 1856 .
One of his sons is called George Henry Smith ( My nans Brother ) Married Hannah Statham boatfamily Here is a photo of him and his son George in the background . Also attached is his Grandson George Smith who was Sonia Roltes 1st husband . Hes my dads cousin and is amazingly still alive and sprightly . Any help with records is always appreciated .
They other side of my family are the Paytons . Mt nan Sarah Smith Married John Payton Boatman whos little sister Elizabeth married into the Price family Edward price . Boatman .
The Paytons married into the Morris family of Boatmen who in turn married into the Longmore and the Coley family also boatmen . Its never ending a huge family :)
Hope I haven t nattered too much .
Regards Jean
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Oh never mind my pics are too large oh well . But they are pretty good . George Henry is seen with a huge white horse on the Bank . The other is of Sonia Rolte and George on the Warwick .
Jean
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You may find this interesting; http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:pjZOSSnuVUUJ:www.moviemail-online.co.uk/film/57903/Painted-Boats/+ealing+studio+canal+film&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
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My ancestor Benjamin Hilton appears to have lived most of his short life in Brettell Lane, Staffordshire. He was a Boat Builder who died in 1838 aged 38. I assume that he built canal boats. He could be the Benjamin Hilton baptised 1801 at Brierley Hill. I do not know this area at all but understand that these two places are very close. Has anyone else come across the Hilton family? In 1861 Benjamin's daughter Emma married John Marchant, a Boatman, born Kidderminster. In the following censuses he appears as Coal Labourer or Labourer and then he disappears though I have not yet confirmed when he died. On the 1891 census there is a John Marchant age 61 an inmate in the Kidderminster Workhouse, he was a boatman. I would love to know if anyone has come across these names or has any advice to offer.
Thanks
Chirp
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Assuming that you are not already aware of it, I would like draw your attention ( and everyone else) to a superb book called A Canal People by Sonia Rolt of the photographs of Robert Longden.
Just found there have been lots of posts since I was last here so I am going to fill in some information.
The book above was written by the first wife of my Great Uncle George Smith, son of George Henry Smith. George Junior is my Grandads brother.
Yes I am related to Jeannette (CatsClaws) so we have found out, and have now met. Her Gran Sarah was George Henry Smith's sister.
By the way "Youngtug", that film Painted Boats had many extras that were "real life boatpeople". I have a copy - if you look at the pub scene, you will see my Uncle George with his curly hair - an extra in the film!
Jean - there are a couple of errors in your posts
the photo you posted is not in A Canal People but is in "Narrow Boats at Work" by Michael E Ware. It says it is on the Grand Union Canal.
They have made a jigsaw from it - but not in its original place - in Lincoln of all places!
The photo you were trying to post with the horse is in fact my Uncle George as a boy with his dad George Henry (who married Hannah Statham).
I will try to post both images. Please keep me informed of any progress or meetings and when I get a chance I will fill in more!
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Hi Sam .
Yus I realized I had the wrong book . I have bought both at home .Thanks for the tip about the film bTW .
I was trying to attach the other photo of Uncle George as a young man with his curly hair :)
Regards Jean x
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sammylou that jigsaw is lovely :)
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Hi, everyone out there with connections to the FRADLEY family. My husband and I started to research his family tree in September 2009, and up to now have been progressing slowly.
His Grandfather, who he never met, was Charles Fradley, born in Odd Rode in 1891, to John Fradley & Eliza Jane Fradley (formerly Harrison), who married in 1880.
We discovered Roots Chat quite by accident on Sunday, after we got back from our first ever visit to Odd Rode.
We have a Birth Certificate for a John Fradley, born in 1859, to Benjamin Fradley & Ann Fradley (formerly Stanworth), and also some info from the Census in 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 & 1901. As there seem to be so many Benjamin's & John's, we have been unsure if we are following this info correctly.
We are both really excited by the Posts we have been reading from the following people:
KERRY 1212, ANN COOPER, JANET SMITH, TONY1439, LINDARHEAD,VALIGENE
We have never seen photos of my husband's grandparents, let alone anyone who came before that.
I hope that, with your help, we will be able to find out a lot more.
Thanks, a lot.
A & B
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hello anb124
i am also from the harrison line of boat people welcome to this thread ,somwhere in my files i have a photo of joshua & elizabeth fradley. im on laptop @the moment but will look on main files tomorrow. i thik kerry may also have a copy in her files.
regards
jeannette
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I am interested in the Moore family. I am looking for EUNICE MOORE born 1850, HillTop, West Bromwich. On her marriage certificate to Joseph Henry Cole (my grandfather) she is down as Eunice Moore, but the only Eunice I can find is called Eunice Hampson, all the details fit, except that name! Can you throw any light on the problem please?
I have her father as Richard Hampson and her mother as Sarah Hawkins. Sarah born 1805 Wednesbury. Where does Moore fit? ???
Thanks,
Mavis
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Hi ANB14
Nice to hear from you and welcome to the site, saw your e-mail your Charles born 1891 was my Great grandfathers cousin, (Thomas Fradley) Thomas's father was Benjamin Fradley born 1861.
Hope you liked Rode Heath or Odd Rode which ever you want to go with, Did you find Clarkes Row where Charles lived? it's hard to find because it's not named.
Anyway Kind Regards
Janet
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Hi Golfer53
On Ancestry I've found the marriage of Eunice, but she is recorded as Eunice HAMPSON marrying Joseph Henry COLE on the 27 December 1874 at West Bromwich. Her father is Richard HAMPSON and Joseph's father is Benjamin COLE.
Regards, Jackie.
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Thank you Jackie, I did have that information, but something is amiss! ::)
Mavis
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Mavis,
The only thing I can think is that as Eunice's surname is shown on the GRO as HAMPSON, could it be that a mistake was made on the marriage certificate. I have a couple of certificates with name mistakes, although all other information was correct. Good luck with solving this one.
Jackie
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Thank you Jackie.
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Hi, everyone out there with connections to the FRADLEY family. My husband and I started to research his family tree in September 2009, and up to now have been progressing slowly.
His Grandfather, who he never met, was Charles Fradley, born in Odd Rode in 1891, to John Fradley & Eliza Jane Fradley (formerly Harrison), who married in 1880.
We discovered Roots Chat quite by accident on Sunday, after we got back from our first ever visit to Odd Rode.
We have a Birth Certificate for a John Fradley, born in 1859, to Benjamin Fradley & Ann Fradley (formerly Stanworth), and also some info from the Census in 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 & 1901. As there seem to be so many Benjamin's & John's, we have been unsure if we are following this info correctly.
We are both really excited by the Posts we have been reading from the following people:
KERRY 1212, ANN COOPER, JANET SMITH, TONY1439, LINDARHEAD,VALIGENE
We have never seen photos of my husband's grandparents, let alone anyone who came before that.
I hope that, with your help, we will be able to find out a lot more.
Thanks, a lot.
A & B
hi a & b
here is john with parents and siblings in 1861
Benjamin Fradley 65
Elizabeth Fradley 68
Benjamin Fradley 23
Ann Fradley 21
Charles Fradley 14
John Fradley 18 Mo
Benjamin Fradley 1 Mo
if you need help with this family message me and let me know
kerry ;D
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I have many relatives in my tree who worked on the canals.
On my fathers paternal side, Jesse Moore worked out of Coventry in 1901 and Spon Lane in 1911.
His son James T Moore also worked out of Spon Lane in 1911. I am quite keen to learn more about him if anyone knows of him.
On my fathers maternal side, Ethel Wood worked for Barlow Boats in Tamworth.
Keen to get in touch with anyone who has links to my relatives.
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Hi, Kerry
Thanks for replying to our first post.
We have looked at your website. It's great!
Your info seems to confirm what we have so far. I have been looking at replies 152,153, 154 & 157. I need to write some of the info down, so that i can see it all at once.
We are trying to collect photos of people, gravestones, canals, and places where they used to live. We are only looking at the one surname so far. :)
Found the 2 roads where Charles & his wife were living on the day they got married. It is next to Ellesmere Port Boat Museum. We are going to look round the museum asap.
Thanks Bev
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hi shazza i found a jesse moore on birmingham canal perry barr in the 1881 census with wife and children, james the elder was born in lough warwickshire is this him?
James Moore 37
Mary Ann Moore 32
Jesse Moore 11
Emma Moore 9
William Moore 3
James Moore 1
kerry
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Just discovered 2 more names on in my family with big canal links:
James
Wenlock
Anyone got any info on these?
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hi canalbabe
there ia a edward wenlock on the boat perseverance in 1881 he was captain aged 40 in linslade
kerry
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hi kerry.
yes that is the same jesse moore. jesse is my paternal grandfather :)
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shazza if you need help with finding your family let me know
kerry
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I am having a bit of trouble tracing Jesse's children. He had a son names James Thomas who in 1911 was working out of Spon Lane. I've not had much success finding marriage/death record for him.
It also appears Jesse had an adopted names Christie Bevington who in 1911 as aged 4. I have had no success finding further records for her.
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Hi everyone this is a fantastic thread I have enjoyed reading it emmensly. My husband's grandmother was born on a working canal boat her father was Morris from a long line of Welsh miners - a landie - he had married the daughter of (so I have been told) of two well established "boat families" from Shepshed, Liecestershire the Drapers and the Jennings the Morrises then worked the canals in the Midlands, Liecestershire and Northamptonshire another name that pops up is Whale who worked on the Dudley railway and became a boatie x
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New to roots chat
Lot of my wife's family and mine worked on the boats my wife's family name is priddy my mum side is gibbons his name was William born 1898 runcorn he then married my gran fanny James in 1918 who was the sister of Jack James born oxford who started the canal water way museum at stoke bruerne but its the gibbons side I'm stuck on i think William farther was thomas gibbons and his mum was Hannah
john1
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hi john i have found william with mother and father thomas and hannah also with jessie aged 2 and lottie aged 2 months, there are also a family named the dickinson's elizabeth 14,william 12,lucy 10, and ethel all saying they are thomas's children ???? this is from the 1901 census all born runcorn cheshire. on a barge thomas is listed as canalboatman.
any other help needed let me know
kerry
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hi again john on the 1891 census thomas is with mother jane and father william gibbons also brother william 16, brother joseph h 13, jessie 9, albert 7,gertrude m 4 and grandmother mary robinson 56 she was born marple derbyshire so she could be janes mother.
it says thomas and william are watermen, younger william is a drapers assistant and joseph is a grocers assistant
kerry
thomas's father william was born leigh in lancashire
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Thanks Kerry
That's a quick reply brilliant what a good start
john
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hi john no problem if you want me to look at anything else let me know
kerry
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I'm looking for any one who may have any old photos of bedworth hill on the coventry cut a lot of boat family's lived opposite the old arm all the houses and pubs have gone now wife's dad name was George priddy he lived there when he came off the boats other boat familys lived there also woods was one wenlock and wrays the arm was for loading coal from newdigate pit bedworth hill is at the end of coalpit fields bedworth
john
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Hi all
I'm new to this forum, but got here via a Google search. I'm a direct ancestor of Samuel Barlow - the founder of the Samuel Barlow Coal Co who had quite a big fleet of boats, based in the Midlands. My Grandma Hannah Barlow was born on a barge on the grand Union Canal and her family were all bargees. Her father John Barlow was a huge man, known as 'Big Jack', although I haven't yet pinned down his details. I have photos though. She talked to me for hours about her life on the boats, and it has always fascinated me. The family was based in Fazeley, Staffs, and my Gran settled in Wilnecote near Tamworth
I'd love any info on the Barlow family, and any pictures too. We have a few old photos of barges and canals from the early 1900s, but can't identify anyone on the barge pictures...
Hope you can help!
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hello racerman
mine and my wife's family's worked boats oxford cut and grand union will ask around for you can you put some photos on to have a look we all live at bedworth or you can try this magazine
www.narrowboatmagazine.com they do help and look for things to publish
john1
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hi racerman, if you can give us the details that you know i will have a look for you, i have put a link for my website below too
kerry
www.canalboatmenandwomen.co.uk
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Hi, I've followed this excellent message board since joining Rootschat last year and I wonder if anyone can help please :)
I know how difficult it is to keep track of boating families on the canals and I have tried posting this on another forum but without success so far but hopefully the "canal specialists" can help.
I'm trying to trace my 3x grt. grandfather Samuel Wise b.1812-1819. He married an Esther Collyer in 1840 in Simpson Buckinghamshire but I can only find him on two censuses.
1851 HO107 2048 Fol.81 pg1 in Kings Norton Worcs
1881 RG11 1560 Fol.85 pg 19 in Norton, Northants on boat "Swindle"
On the same page in 1881 is their daughter Margaret and her husband Joseph Hodgins on the boat "Dennis". These are my 2x grt. grandparents.
Can anyone find Samuel Wise on the other censuses? I realize that enumerators often didn't include those on boats so apologies in advance if I send anyone on a wild goose chase searching for something that isn't there ::).
jubee
(Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk)
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Hi again
Thanks for the replies. Here is the only photo I have here at the moment, that has both a barge and people on it.
http://www.t20suzuki.com/cz/barge.jpg
The writing on the barge is hard to decipher, but the bottom word is definitely 'Nuneaton', the top word(s) being 'Johnson' or 'John?Ensor'. These have no link to any of my family tree, but were perhaps friends of the family? Most of the other photos and postcards are of canals or locks with no boats or people on them!
I'm trying to get any info I can on the Barlow Family. My Grandma Hannah Barlow was born on 31st March 1904 on board a Canal Boat near Watford, but the family were from Fazeley/Glascote near Tamworth, Staffs. Her father John Barlow is listed as the Captain and owner, and he lived at 19 John Street, Glascote, Tamworth. He was a huge man (height-wise) and was called 'Big Jack' by everyone. I believe that he was the son, grandson, or nephew of Samuel Barlow founder of the Samuel Barlow Coal Co in 1867. Sam Barlow had a son who worked for him called John Barlow, but I can't find any more details than that.
There is quite a lot about the company on the internet, such as this:
http://models.bipolar4all.co.uk/samuel_barlow_coal_carrying_co.htm
but none giving much more detail.
Any help or pointers welcomed.
Thanks
Adrian
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Hi All
Just wondering if anyone else has been to the Boat Museum at Ellesmere Port?
We only had a quick look at the weekend, but will be going again soon. We were very interested to see the 4 restored cottages which were no's 9, 10, 11 & 12 Potters Row. What caught our attention, however, was the board outside the cottages which said that 6 members of the "HARRISON" family lived at no 8, until it was demolished in 1960.
We are going to see if we can find out the names of these 6 people, to see if they are connected to Eliza Jane Fradley nee Harrison, whose son was living in the next street, on the day he got married, presumably with his parents.
Thanks for reading
A & B
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hi anb14
i am direct line to the harrison boat family i would be very interested in your findings myself & pam plan to go to elsmere port in a couple of months time to do some research
regards
jeannette
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hi A and B,
thats good news, can't wait to hear if they were all related to the harrisons line,
kerry
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Hi John
I've got Wenlocks in my family, who is your one Wenlock?
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Hi John
Just read your previous post Re: Jack James & Fanny James
My Great Grandmother was Clara James (daughter of boater Phillip & Ellen Wenlock).
Clara married into another boating family, the Chater's, I think Fanny is a rellie of hers????
Do you have any other info?
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hello canalbabe
:( i only mentioned wenlocks in relationship to boat family's living at bedworth hill for info about it fanny James married a boatman William gibbons jack James the fanny came from oxford jack came of the boats at stoke bruerne and started the museum there so i think your side is a different James sorry if i come across anything will be in touch
john
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canalbabe
it s me again there were some wenlocks at bedworthhill but i only new a lad George wenlock will try and find who his parents where beworthhill is in bedworth nr coventry
:) john
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canal babe
i have a small amount of info on a james canal family mostly christnings the info i have appears to link into burton,wenlock,hollingshead,green,bently but then most of our canal people seem to link into each other at some point or other does rubin james born on canal boat kimberly christened on 21st jan 1933 @st lawrences brentford middx or his sister rose emily also christened there on 8th october 1936. fit anywhere into anyones records regards
jeannette
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canalbabe
sorry forgot to mention that these where the children of walter james & rose( carter
jeannette
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Thanks guys,
I have only gone as far back as Philip James at the moment so not sure who is siblings/parents were etc. Phillip was born Tewkesbury way and his daughter Clara was born in Tipton. She had a sister called Louisa who married a Joseph Jacques (another boating name). I know this 100% as my Great Aunt who is still alive told me some info last weekend. Shem remembers having an Auntie Lou & an Uncle Jo that were boaters.
I have the census record for Phillip, Ellen and Clara at Stoke Prior on board 'Hadley' & 'Brittania'
Like Jane says it's poss we are all linked in some way.
John, prehaps our James are related down the line. I will carry on digging and digging and digging............................. ::)
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canal babe was philip james born in tewksbury 1839?
kerry
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if it is the same philip here is his family philip and thomas married sisters :)
Philip James born approx 1839 Twekesbury Gloucestershire Married Ellen Wenlock
11/10/1860 St Marks Church Ocker Hill Tipton Staffordshire children from this
marriage are
Clara baptised 27/04/1862 Toll end Primitive Methodist church Tipton Staffs
Louisa baptised 08/11/1863 Toll end Primitive Methodist Church Tipton Staffs
married Edwin Burton 30/05/1887 Weston on Trent Staffs
Eliza abt 1865
Alice baptised 23/07/1865 St Marks Church Ocker Hill Tipton Staffs
Emily baptised 02/06/1867 St Marks Church Ocker Hill Tipton Staffs
Philip baptised 17/07/1870 Toll End Primitive Methodist Tipton Staffs married
Mary Ann Jenkinson Hollinshead 31/07/1893 St Michael and All Angels Penkridge
Staffs
Thomas baptised 17/12/1871 Toll End Primitive Methodist Church Tipton Staffs
married Alice Jenkinson Hollinshead 26/11/1892 St Michael and All Angels
Penkridge Staffs
John baptised 17/12/1871 Toll End Primitive Methodist Church Tipton Staffs
Henry born 21/03/1874 baptised 12/05/1874 Toll End Primitive Methodist Church
Tipton Staffs
George baptised 26/03/1876 St Lawrence Church Brentford Middlesex
Ellen born about 1879 Hayes Middlesex
Arthur J born about 1880 Cosgrove Northamptonshire
kerry
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here is ellen wenlock with parents in 1871, father is master of canal boat on the fradley junction,
John Wenlock 29 b worcester
Mary Wenlock 28 b worcester
Ellen Wenlock 9
John Wenlock 5 bloxworth northampton
George Wenlock 3 tiptton
Mary Wenlock 1 tipton
kerry
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Hi Kerry
I had Phillips DOB down as being c1834 Tewkesbury so it could poss be the same family!
Thanks, thats great.
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he did marry ellen wenlock ;D
kerry
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I am putting a large list of names of people's recorded deaths in the warwickshre section, some of these people were boatmen, please take a look and if you see a name you know let me know and i will tell you how when and where they died
kerry
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Hi Kerry
Thanks for all your help, I will have a look at the info you have, guess that will be on your website?
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FRADLEYS
Hi, everyone who is searching for info on the Fradley Family History.
We are hoping to spend a day in Stone soon. As we haven't been there before, we would like to visit several different places eg
The Canal
Churches/graveyards
Museum or Library
Archives
Places where family members may have lived or worked.
As we will only be there for the day, on this occasion, can anyone recommend the best places to see in such a short visit?
Thanks, A & B
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high kerry 1212 my family name is meaney we are from the potteries staffs my grandad john married mary ann james in 1914 mary anns mum and dad were thomas and alice james alice formily holinshead, alices mum and dad were moses and eliza holinshead, formily fradley from stone staffs they lived on the canal side at penkrige staffs, untill they moved to the poterries, ravens dale tunstall on the canal side, in a cottege called copps cotteges, alice and tom were married in1892 in penkrige they had 11 children, mary ann,born 1894 penk,alice,born1895,penk,ada,born,1897,penk,tom,born,clay hills tunstall,staffs,he died young ellen,born1899,copps cotteges tunstall,goerge born,1902,copps,harrold1910,copps florrie,born1911 copps, lillian,born1913 copps,and thomas, born1919 my,grandparants lived in ravens dale copps cotteges and reaerd,five children,peter,john terrance,winnie,and valerrie, mosses and elliza lived with alice and tom, in later life untill they both died my grandparrants moved from ravens dale in 1943 to tunstall in the town there are lots of family still there, if you need any more info i will try to help if i can
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sorry kerry i forgot my name is john
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hi john nice to hear from you, we are from the harrison line, the lady on front of website is emily harrison she married john/jacky harrison, she drowned in 1943 at the age of 43, we have been told she is buried with her best friend clara stokes in uxbridge, i am now trying to find out if the woman in the picture who is sitting down is clara? if anyone had a clara stokes in their tree please let me know
kerry
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Hello to all involved in discussions about Fradleys. I am ANB14's youngest daughter Sarah. I am really looking forward to visiting Stone next week with my mum and dad. Does anyone have any more information about Fradley's from Stone. Names of boats they might have owned/worked on, places they might have been to, photographs or locations of Graves etc.
from Sarah Fradley
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hello meaney 1955
moses jenkins hollingshead born in penkridge staffordshire died 21 nov 1908 in wolsanton staff. married 19 june 1848 in penkridge.eliza fradley born stone & died in 1899 in wolstanton moses was the son of thomas & sarah (heath) hollinshead. eliza was daughter to benjamin & elizabeth (hassal) fradley.
if this is your family they seem to have links also with woods,,james,jinks.bunn,nixon & bannister.all canal famlies . some of these also link at some stage to the nixon & banister in my harrison family tree,but there again most canal famlies married into each other
jeannette
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hello all fradley linked people visiting stone
children of benjamin & elizabeth (hassal) fradley
benjamin born in stone
sarah. born in stone christened @st michael stone 5/8/1836
mary ann born in stone
harriet born in stone 1st marrige @ stone
eliza born in stone
alice born in stone
benjamin born in stone
anne born in stone 4/11/1819 christened there 3 days later
charles born stone christened same day
so that should give you a days work hunting out these.
happy hunting
jeannette
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john fradley 1859 married eliza jane harrison 1859, eliza janes father george harrison was my gg grandads brother
jeannette
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Hollinshead & Fradley also appear in my tree and have links to James, Chater, Jinks & Wenlock who are my blood rellies.
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hello jane it was good of you to get in touch yes my familes are deffo james hollinsheads and fradleys i am bold over with the info on this site you are all brill with the hard work that you do also canalbabe yes we deffo have family links all the best meaney1955
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Hi again
I asked for some info on the Barlow's earlier and also posted this picture - wondering if anyone recognised the barge:
(http://www.t20suzuki.com/cz/barge.jpg)
Since then I've met an expert on the Barlows, who also has contacts to identify boats. He has told me that:
The barge is the HAROLD and it was built in 1911 and registered at Coventry No. 365 on the 13th February 1911 for John Ensor, proprietor of the Midland Quarry Company of Tuttle Hill, Nuneaton. Her master was Thomas Bromage at first, but in later years John Finch then Charles Ward worked her.
Although I can't see a direct link to my family, someone else might find this information useful.
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Awesome Piccy :) Loved it
Jean
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hi john (meaney), george harrison is my husbands gg grandfathers brother,
t20racerman one of the men mentioned is a relatives father, i will let her know, i agree with jean lovely pic
kerry
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hello john & all
as you can see my gg grandad & kerry1212 other half trevors gg grandad where brothers as i said before we all seem to be interlinked in one way or the other
somtimes more than once throughout the generations, even mine & kerrys lines seem to interlink in other places. so if one family line disowns you you are still connected elswhere. kerry if you read this the new addition to the tree arrived last night will call u later
jeannette
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high all great hearing from you again and it is a great photo makes you realize just how hard a liveving it was in those days i now when my great grandfarther thomas james came to the potterres he had his own boat takeing pots and wear to were ever and bringing in clay flint and coal my farther terance meaney told me he rememberd when he was a boy his grandad tom had shair horses they were called blue roan after there colour he told me that tom lost is contracts with the companies because he would not change with the times and move from boats to lorry transport is last job before he retierd was a boylerman my dad said he was a grand chap his daughter my grandmother used to have to lie on here back feet on the celling of the haercastle tunnell in tunstall and help push the barge through god i struggell on a exersize bike i wish we could turn the clock back if only for one day to stand on a brige and watch them work my wife says i am to nostalgic any way take care for now meaney 55
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Hi Meaney 55
Was your Great Grandad, Thomas James born c1898 Tunstall, the son of Thomas & Alice James (nee Hollinshead)?
If he was then he is was my 1st cousin 3 times removed, as Thomas's Grandfather Phillip James is my 3 x Great Grandfather.
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high canalbabe yes he was but i think you got the dates mixed up tom james was born in 1871 the tom you put 1898 was his son who died as a child in tunstall we the family used to think phillip was toms twin but on your web page it says john james was christened the same day as tom so you put us right on that one many thanks tom and alice are buried in tunstall church yard they had another son named tom born 1918 i met him nice man he died in 2000 any more i can help you whith just say by the way your web site is fab look forward to the rest esp the fradley side any way take care for now meaney55
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hi all,
hoping someone might have answers has this is a brick wall, and i can't seem to find anything,
i have samuel harrison and judith on the 1841 census birmingham in warwickshire with children on a canal boat, i looked at neighbours and there is a thomas harrison with wife mary and children, thomas is 55 does anyone know if they are related i.e brother or son or is it a coincidence? ::)
kerry
p.s redoing the website at the moment so if anyone has any info or pics they want adding please let me know and we add them ;D
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Hi Meaney 55
Sorry but it Kerry that's got the fab website!
Apologies for getting my Tom's muddled, is't so easy when they all appear to be named the same!!
Clara James was my Great Grandmother and she was Phillip & Ellens daughter, Clara went on to marry Edward Chater. The Chater's were also boaters and appear to come from the Birmingham / Dudley region. I have quite a bit of info on the families so if you need anything let me know. :-*
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canalbabe
elizabeth carter is still around very healthy for her age & living in brentford one of her daughters lives next door & the other not far away.if my memory serves me right she is 86 or 88 years old. its great to listen to the stories she has to tell .one of her neices is married to my grandads nephew
jeannette
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high again i am so sorry i got things mixed up about kerry brill web site apologies to both of you especially to kerry i was in a bit of a rush the football mach was not far from starting and you know what us blokes are like any way canalbabe thank you for the offer on info on claras side she was my great grand aunt i think thats how it works so any info would be great if kerry would like to use the children of my grand parents mary. ann. nee. james. and her husband john meaney she is most welcome to do so take care meaney55
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Hi Kerry I forgot to ask you if you are able to put my stuff on your site . I think what you are doing is very worth while :) When you are finished please may i have your website URL again.
Many Thanks Jean xx
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hi all,
thanks john will do :)
hi jean, we are redoing the website and thank you for your offer which i will take up ;D i will let you know as soon as its done, if anyone want us to put other boat families on let me know and i will put them in a seperate section ;D
kerry
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Hi John
I have Clara's parents as Phillip & Ellen nee Wenlock but as yet I have no parents or siblings for Phillip and no further generations. Don't know if you can fill in the gaps!
Phillip & Ellen had 12 children:
Louisa c1860
Clara c1862 (my Great Grandma)
Eliza c1865
Alice c1865
Emily c1867
Phillip c1870
John c1871
Thomas
Henry c1874
George c1876
Ellen c1879
Arthur J c1880
Mostly born around Tipton.
Clara married Edward Chater Snr Dec 1884 in West Bromwich and they had 3 children that I know of Edward Jnr, Louisa & Nellie but I think there are more that I'm yet to find.
Edward Jnr married Martha Lucy Brooks (boating family from Braunston) and had 9 children. John Edward was one sone who was my Grandad, he past away last month.
Edward Snr had a brother James who owned and ran canal boats one of which was called 'Hero of Kars'. Edward Snr also worked boats but was a master for George Hale and John Griffiths from Bedworth during the late 1800's early 1900's. Edward Jnr also worked boats and my 3 surviving Grand Aunts remember life on the cut in the early 1920's.
Edward & Martha left the canal life in the mid 1920's. Most of the family then grew up around Foleshill, Coventry. John Edward married Prudence Bramwell in Foleshill and they had one daughter, my Mum, called Monica.
Think this may mean we are distant cousins if we can get the connection right!
Mikala
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Boatmen in my husband's tree:-
Beaumont - Aire & Calder
Busybod
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high mikala thank you for the info found it realey helpfull it is so strange we also have a lucy brooke in our tree she married goerge henry james toms son they had 10 children if you look on kerrys site on the james family you will see it under tom and alices children what a coincidence ay also if you look on the same pages james you will see philips sibblings john, sarah, ellen,george, mary,philip,he must have died young then they had philip john who married ellen wenlock philip johns parrents are john and sarah nee mammett married 6/10/1823 at tewkesbury abbey it says john was a stocking maker this work is he you will allso see tom and alice jamess children the eldest one mary ann james married john meaney they are my grandparants this to meens if clara is toms sister have the same line this is all down to kerrys brill work on her brill site on a another note sorry about your loss take care john
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Thanks John
Will check out Kerry's site, don't think the James stuff was on there when i last looked so thanks Kerry for all your hard work!
Mikala
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I too have canal boatmen in my family! . Anyone have any links??
Holloway Family
Grandfather James Holloway b 1899 Oldbury Worcs remembers going on his grandfather James Holloway’s (b1852 Oldbury) boat taking coal from the midlands to London (Pre WW1)
Great Grandfather John Holloway b 1877 Oldbury is described as a Coal Boatmen Barge in 1901 and also on oldest Son James birth cert in 1899
Gr x 2 Grandfather James Holloway b 1852 had coal barges and a coal yard in Canal St, Oldbury . Described as a Boatman from 1871 census onwards . Died 1941 .( m Eliza Beaton)
Gr x 3 Grandfather Thomas Holloway b 1818 OLdbury described as Boatman D 1894 (M Hannah Chater) D 1894
Gr x 4 Grandfather John Holloway b 1790 Oldbury described as Boatman from 1814 (M Sarah Owen)
Beaton Family
Gr x 2 Grandmother Eliza Beaton b 1851 was the daughter of a Canal Boatman, Lot Beaton 1861 living in a boat with parents and siblings
Gr x 3 Grandfather Lot Beaton/Beighton b1826 Wolverhampton was a boatman 1841 and 1851 and master of a boat in 1861 , 1871 a labourer and 1881 and 1891 a Boatman . D 1896
Gr x 4 Grandfather John Beaton b 1791 boatman in 1841 in Wolverhampton ( not from county)
Bellou :) :)
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I have a Thomas Jenkinson Holinshead christened 18 Aug 1782, St. Michael's Penkridge Staffordshire, parent Dorothy Holinshead, also his burial at St. Michael's Penkridge 22 Feb 1837 age 54.
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dear jean hunter i also have a thomas jenkinson hollinshead my great, great, great grandfarther i have it down that he was born in 1781 in middlewich cheshire he was bapt on 19/12/1781 is wife was sara heath they married 2/2 1802 at st james longton staffs i wonder if they are conected to your tom as my hollinshead family and james family had strong ties with penkrige on the canal boats all the best meaney55
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Hi Meaney,
The Thomas Jenkinson Holinshead son of Dorothy is from Family Search Vital Records and was extracted from the parish records of Penkridge. I had a check of the IGI and there is a Thomas Hollinshead christened at Middlewich 09/12/1781 to George and Hannah Hollinshead which was also extracted from the local records is this your Thomas Jenkinson Hollinshead? I have Hollinshead ancestors who were living at Penkridge in the mid-18th century and suspect Dorothy might be an illegitimate daughter of one of my 5x great-grandfather's sisters, Elizabeth.
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hello agan Gene hunter yes my thomas jenkinson hollinshead had parrants by the name of george born 1750 middlewich is wife was Hanna nee lowe they married in middlewich in 14/10/1776 it just seems so strange that they had the same middle name jenkinson and the same conection to penkrige they must be connected in some way tom married sara heath they had 10 children john/maria/tom/sara/ben joseph/george eliza/emma/and/moses/ who was my g/g grandfarther he married eliza fradley on the 19/6/1848 eliza was from stone they had 16 children all with the second name jenkinson the first child was ann/second/tom/elizabeth/mary.ann/harriett/joseph/moses/ben/bill/john/elizabeth agan james/george henry/alice my grandmother married tom james/and/mary ann she married tom james brother philip moses my gr/gr grandfarther was born in penkrige there must be some conection i look forward to hearing fom you all the best meaney55
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canal babe i have all the james's tree, from 1823 with births and christenings if you want them 4 generations, let me know
kerry ;D
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hi john i have all of the hollinshead tree too from 1750 if you want it ;D
kerry
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what i should say is all the families that are mentioned on my website i can give the info for, that includes the families that are not showing yet ;D
kerry
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hi again all ;D
just found some more info, so if anyone has thomas willington who married rhoda ann howell please let me know i have a photo of rhoda with her 3 eldest children enoch betsy and william
kerry
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also found a photo of enoch thomas willington with second wife Sarah Ellen “Nell” CARTWRIGHT
kerry
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hi kerry please could you give me both james and hollinsheads to check a coupel of things
also i dont now wether you no but is the eliza fradley born 1831 to benjamin and ellizabeth nee hassal the eliza that married mosses hollinshead in1848 as there was one eliza mensioned
some were there was an eliza that was born in 1829 it would be brill if you could help on this one
thanks take care john m
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yes john the eliza you mentioned is the daughter of ben and elizabeth she did marry moses they maaried 19th june staffordshire
kerry ;D
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thanks kerry that as put some things right for me thanks john m :)
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Hi
That would be great, thanks Kerry.
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high kerry i wonder if you could help me once agane please i have had email off gene hunter asking
about thomas jenkinson hollinshead she says there is a thomas jens hollinshead in st michaels church yard penkrige he was crist on the 18/8 1782 she say his mothers name was dorothy hollinshead and she was not married and thinks that the name jenkinson comes from the unone
farther i have told her that most of the hollinshead clan had the second name jenkinson could it be that the thomas jen holl in penkrige church be the same thomas as was born in middlewich in 1781 to george hollinshead and wife hanna nee lowe have you got them on record as thay are both down
as having different parrants thanks kerry once agan john m
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sorry kerry i forgot in the bapts in penkrige in the 1830s ther are three bapts to a william jens hollinshead and ann hoolinshead do you allso know who these peaple are and there children
take care john m
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hi john i found a baptism for a john i know its a little early for what you asked for but it may help someone, this child died 8 months later poor liitle baby, annes maiden name is machin
22 Sep 1811 John, s. of William & Anne Hollinshead, born 04 Sep 1811.
Staffordshire: Wolstanton - Parish Registers,
11 May 1812 John, s. of William & Anne Hollinshead, aged 8 months.
(Burial)
Staffordshire: Wolstanton - Parish Registers,
anyway john here are yours i think ;D
Clara Holinshead
Female
Birth Date: abt 1838
Christening Date: 18 Feb 1838
Christening Place: Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
Father's Name: William Jenkinson Holinshead
Mother's Name: Ann
Ezekiel John Jenkinson Holinshead
Male
Birth Date: abt 1835
Christening Date: 26 Oct 1835
Christening Place:Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
Father's Name: William Jenkinson Holinshead
Mother's Name: Ann
Louisa Hollingshead
Female
Birth Date: abt 1832
Christening Date: 6 Jul 1832
Christening Place:Penkridge, Staffordshire, England
Father's Name: William Jenkinson Hollingshead
Mother's Name: Ann
found a load of hollishead while looking ;D
kerry
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john i just had quick look and it looks to me like george hollinshead who was hannah lowe's wife mother of Thomas Jenkinson Hollinshead, may not have been thomas's father has thomas is the only one out of his siblings to have the jenkinson in his name, i will have a closer look
kerry
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kerry you are brill hope you can find out wether the two thomas holinsheads are one and the same person i
am scraching my head thanks john m
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found new families in my tree dickins/dickens and birch
kerry
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t20racerman i have found this, has it is about your families boat company
http://models.bipolar4all.co.uk/samuel_barlow_coal_carrying_co.htm
also
http://www.nbbeatty.co.uk/1937___1960.htm
kerry
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Thanks Kerry. There is loads on the 'net about 'The Barlows' but unfortunately there were a lot of different family members doing different things with different 'Barlow' companies!
I have found loads of info since my first visit here and am meeting up with a Barlow family archivist (who i met online) next week! His grandma is my great grandfather's little sister. These siblings had the original Samuel Barlow as their Uncle. Samuel Barlow's brother Thomas was their father, and he ran his own Barges under the Barlow name. My parents even dug up a Photo of two of Thomas Barlow's barges taken pre WW1 - one of which my gran was born on in 1904.
My Great grandfather, John 'Big Jack' Barlow married Mary Ann Humphries around the turn of the century (dates not confirmed yet) and the Humphries were apparently a barge family who worked for the Barlows - so that fits. Mary Ann died on Oct 9th 1925, aged 53. Any info on her family would be great.
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hi t20racerman, mary ann and john are on the 1901 census mary ann was born in 1872 in oxford and john barlow was born 1877 in bedworth warwickshire they are in chilvers coton in nuneaton warwickshire 1901
kerry
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1881 john is with mom hannah barlow b1854 bedworth warwichshire and thomas born 1879 and mary a no age listed, hannah is a boatwoman and says she is married so husband must be on another boat somewhere ;D
kerry
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in 1891 hannah barlow (nee skinner) is with husband john b1853 bedworth and children joseph b1875, lucy b1884, elizabeth b1882,
very confusing census has there is a note next to each name saying skinner even john barlow but it also says theresa barlow is john's wife with skinner next to it i think teresa is hannahs sister,
the skinners are a family of boatmen too
kerry
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1881 john is with mom hannah barlow b1854 bedworth warwichshire and thomas born 1879 and mary a no age listed, hannah is a boatwoman and says she is married so husband must be on another boat somewhere ;D
That fits exactly with the info I have been given from elsewhere - thank you. Mary Ann was their daughter who was born in 1881. She died quite young in 1908. I have a picture of her as a young woman. Hannah's maiden name was Compton.
in 1891 hannah barlow (nee skinner) is with husband john b1853 bedworth and children joseph b1875, lucy b1884, elizabeth b1882,
very confusing census has there is a note next to each name saying skinner even john barlow but it also says theresa barlow is john's wife with skinner next to it i think teresa is hannahs sister,
the skinners are a family of boatmen too
This Hannah Barlow is a different one! (It does get confusing!). Hannah Barlow (nee Compton) married Thomas Barlow (no date yet) and her sister Mary Ann Compton married Thomas Barlow's brother, Samuel Barlow (1847 -1894) - the originator of the Barlow barge company. I haven't come across a Teresa though, or any mention of Skinner.
I have been given a lot of info of who's who in the family that I'm working through, but have not yet looked at any census information to firm it all up. Your help in this is much appreciated. Thanks a lot. :)
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must have been the other one i saw then ;D i will post that census some time today :)
kerry
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canal babe
i have a small amount of info on a james canal family mostly christnings the info i have appears to link into burton,wenlock,hollingshead,green,bently but then most of our canal people seem to link into each other at some point or other does rubin james born on canal boat kimberly christened on 21st jan 1933 @st lawrences brentford middx or his sister rose emily also christened there on 8th october 1936. fit anywhere into anyones records regards
jeannette
Hi Jeannette, Reuben James is my granddad and Rose is his sister! All the names above i have in my family tree, so if you need anything else, let me know
Jess
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KERRY1212 - can i just say what a fantastic website you have.!
It's confirmed all my family tree, the CARTER's and the JAMES'.
I'm going to Braunston next week were most are buried and am trying to take down the original boat by Grandad was born abroad. It's 'KIMBERELY' the one you have made reference to in your site!
Well Done!
Jess
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Hi Kerry, your website is great, beautiful photos. Are any of my Wrights (below) in your researcc?
On my Mum's side I have the Wright family, who lived in Tipton, in the Toll end road area. If you have any info would really appreciate it.
Here are "my" Wrights:
James Wright (Born approx 1857) Married 1882 to Mary Broughton (born 1862)
James' father, William, listed in the 1861 census as a boatmen, canalboat 216. His mother was Maria.
Some census' list Mary born in County Mayo Ireland, her mother Hannah.
Children: Born Place
William 1883 Tipton
Annie Agnes 1886 Tipton
Edward James 1887 Tipton
Helen 1894 Tipton
James 1897 Tipton
Mary 1899 Tipton
Kathleen Maria 1890 Tipton Married 2 Oct 1915 to William Haynes (born 1888)
Kathleen was my maternal grandmother. Thx. Jayne
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hello calabash
mary violet wright daughter to charles & mary (jackson) wright born 29 dec 1929 @ paddington basin london died 29 jan 2000 in stoke manderville married robert joseph harrison born 17 april 1926 tamworth they had 4 children to my knowledge all born on canal boats robert was son to robert harrison born 1885 & ann stokes (my granddads godparents) robert joseph was my grandads cousion. my grandad is allen harrison married emma hale pictured in kerry & trevors web site also robert harrison 1885 married twice his second wife being an alice selina wright.alice also married again around 1915 i belive her second husband was called dick lee so it seems like you have at least two links to our harrison tree
best wishes
jeannette
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william wright born abt 1823/1989 (boatman) married marria currey wagstaff( parents james wagstaff ( boatman)& mary curry in 1846 tipton. both william & mary are buried in tipton cemetery & app spent most of their later years @ toll end. williams fater was john wright 1845 who married elizabeth ralph daughter to john ralph(boatman) census show john living in toll end around 1881-1901
best wishes
jeannette
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pphoto of robert joseph harrison
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sorry photo wont attatch for some reason kerry im sure you also have this photo will it let you attatch it
jeannette
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Hi Jeanette,
Thanks very much for the information, family tree is starting to become alive.
I am currently living/working in South Africa so I really appreciate any help I can get.
My mother was told her father drowned in a canal when she was 4, approx 1931, would it have been the norm for this to appear in a newspaper? I've ben unable to find a death certificate for him, my hunch is that he may have merely left not died.
Thanks again. Jayne
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hi calabash
i dont think that many cant say that one or more of our relatives drowned in the canal . ocupational hazzard im afraid. i personally have lost over 6 relatives that way, last year i did extensive reserch for a lady more on kerrys line of the harrisons than mine. the things you need to take into account is that a lot of the folk could nither read or write,did not like authorities so tended to steer clear of them as much as poss,the person that drowned was prob not from the area they drowned in just passing through so local papers tend to not have been very interested & if they where the people had norm moved on esp if they had a load to deliver. i personally would try to find out more about the drowning & search the area for postmortem or police reports
best wishes
jeannette
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Anyone any knowledge of a Shires or Clapham on the Leeds/Liverpool Canal round about 1900?
Busybod
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jessicawebbit16
hello
did you go to braunston on the kimberly
jeannette
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think this relates to my grandfather thomas edward wood my dad was called kenneth eric wood
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I have: Joseph Harrison (1817) who married Eliza Hollinshead who then had a number of children one of the called Sarah Ann Harrison born 1866 who married John Wood. Joseph was a boatman as was Eliza's family...... If anyone can give me more info going back into 1700's that would be awesome.
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Hi Mel
My connection is through my Mother in Law who is a Leese is connected to Wood and Fradley Family.
Yes you can use the information, I still have more on the Hollinshead family as well as some on those connected via marriage to the Hollinsheads.
Ann
My ancestors are Joseph Harrison b 1817? Married Eliza Hollinshead who had Sarah Ann Harrison b 1866 who married John Wood b 1866? Who had the following children John, Lily, Ethel, Harold, Ada Jane, William. John died aged 12 1903 and Ada Jane b 1904 is my great grandmother, she kept changing her name from wood to Hollinshead as did her parents.
Can you help with this family. Joseph Harrison was a boat man
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Hi. Does anyone have any information on my great grandfathers side of the family? He was born in 1868 in wolverhampton and a canal bargeman. I can't find any birth certificate or other information for for the name john welsh.
Thanks.
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ok im trying to search my mums side of the family all of which came of the canal her dad was George Beresford his dad was Thomas Henry Beresford and his mum was Harriet Maud Beresford.and my mums mum was Gladys irene Nixon / franks I think origionaly gladys nixons mum was a Nixon but the married into the franks from what I know they a from around the long buckby and Braunston area
any help is much appriciated
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ok im trying to search my mums side of the family all of which came of the canal her dad was George Beresford his dad was Thomas Henry Beresford and his mum was Harriet Maud Beresford.and my mums mum was Gladys irene Nixon / franks I think origionaly gladys nixons mum was a Nixon but the married into the franks from what I know they a from around the long buckby and Braunston area
any help is much appriciated
HELLO
I expect you already might have this info Thomas, George, Evelyn Maud, Winnifred, Violet are all children to Thomas Henry & Harriett Maud Lillian Beresford ( the middle e appears to be missing in some surnames but i am sure they are all from the same family ) between 1920 & 1927 all these children where baptised at Braunston . i have boat family still living in Long buckby & Nixons are part of my family tree
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hi does my nan Gladys irene Nixon or her mum violet Gertrude Nixon appear on you family tree I only ask as my mum would like to know where she is possibly involved with the Nixon family though her first grandad also could you please email me what you have on the family tree I would be most grateful oh and thankyou for the Beresford history side of the family
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Hi Sonia
Had a look at my information and the following is what I have found
David Wood son of Benjamin and Harriet (Harrison) Wood born: 1873 at Oldbury. He married Ellen Slater Nixon born: at Penkridge
David employed as a Boatman
Children of David and Ellen(Slater Nixon) Wood
1. John Wood born: Penkridge
2. jane Wood born: Penkridge
3. David Wood born: Tipton
4. Emily Wood Born: 1900 Wolverhampton
5. Thomas Edward Wood born: 1900 Penkridge
Think this is what you are after
Have a bit of info on Benjamin and Harriet (harrison) Wood
let me know if you want this
Will have a look on my Boat Register information and see if any off these appear
Regards
Ann
Hi Ann,
I'm also looking into Benjamin Wood & Harriet Harrison and wondered if you had any info you would be happy to share?
Thank you
Mel
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Hi Sonia
Had a look at my information and the following is what I have found
David Wood son of Benjamin and Harriet (Harrison) Wood born: 1873 at Oldbury. He married Ellen Slater Nixon born: at Penkridge
David employed as a Boatman
Children of David and Ellen(Slater Nixon) Wood
1. John Wood born: Penkridge
2. jane Wood born: Penkridge
3. David Wood born: Tipton
4. Emily Wood Born: 1900 Wolverhampton
5. Thomas Edward Wood born: 1900 Penkridge
Think this is what you are after
Have a bit of info on Benjamin and Harriet (harrison) Wood
let me know if you want this
Will have a look on my Boat Register information and see if any off these appear
Regards
Ann
Hello Ann I am part of the long line of Harrison boatmen ( I was born Jeannette Ann Harrison) 6 generations in all
Harriett who married Benjamin Wood was my GG grandads sister my G G Grandad being Allen all the siblings became or married Canal Boatmen as did most of the next 3 generations of them all. as did Harriett & benjamin woods children .the connections are v complicated as there are 7 connections with the wood boat people throughout the generations also my g gran was from the stevens boat people 7 there are also wood connections there & my nanny also from a long line of boat people had several wood connections in her family .strong connections to the Slater & Slater Nixon
Hi Ann,
I'm also looking into Benjamin Wood & Harriet Harrison and wondered if you had any info you would be happy to share?
Thank you
Mel
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Hi Ann,
Thanks for your reply. I'd love to speak to you more about this if possible, are you able to send me your email address?
All the best,
Mel
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Hi Ann,
Thanks for your reply. I'd love to speak to you more about this if possible, are you able to send me your email address?
All the best,
Mel
MEL have messaged you on another forum
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On 5th March 1866, George Cornwall (aka Cornwell), born at Ipstones and a canal boatman on the Cauldon Canal, married Elizabeth Kent, daughter of Thomas Kent, boatman, at St Mark's, Shelton in The Potteries. Elizabeth was supposedly 20 years old (marriage certificate). Five years later, in the 1871 Census, Elizabeth was still 20 years old; in 1881 she was 30, in 1891 41 (Census) and 42 (death). Thus she was born, in Shelton or the adjacent Etruria, c1850 and was no more than 15 or 16 when she married.
While I know lots about the Cornwell family I can find nothing about this Thomas Kent and his daughter. I've checked out at least two of the Elizabeths born in 1850-51 and neither seems right. There's an 1861 Census Shelton entry for Thomas Kent, captain, born Cheddleton (near Ipstones) in 1824, with wife Jane 30, Goldenhill, and Elizabeth (7, Etruria). If accurate, the age of this Elizabeth in 1866 would be 12.
I cannot see any Kents listed in this current line of enquiry, but would like to know if any canal family researchers have encountered this father and daughter?
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On 5th March 1866, George Cornwall (aka Cornwell), born at Ipstones and a canal boatman on the Cauldon Canal, married Elizabeth Kent, daughter of Thomas Kent, boatman, at St Mark's, Shelton in The Potteries. Elizabeth was supposedly 20 years old (marriage certificate). Five years later, in the 1871 Census, Elizabeth was still 20 years old; in 1881 she was 30, in 1891 41 (Census) and 42 (death). Thus she was born, in Shelton or the adjacent Etruria, c1850 and was no more than 15 or 16 when she married.
While I know lots about the Cornwell family I can find nothing about this Thomas Kent and his daughter. I've checked out at least two of the Elizabeths born in 1850-51 and neither seems right. There's an 1861 Census Shelton entry for Thomas Kent, captain, born Cheddleton (near Ipstones) in 1824, with wife Jane 30, Goldenhill, and Elizabeth (7, Etruria). If accurate, the age of this Elizabeth in 1866 would be 12.
I cannot see any Kents listed in this current line of enquiry, but would like to know if any canal family researchers have encountered this father and daughter?
in my family tree of canal boatmen i have a jane kent 18 year old daughter to a thomas kent a canal boatman who on the 8th march 1880 at hartshill parish church did marry a samuel harrison age 22 son to joseph harrison both father & son are listed as Canal boatmen witness are george & elizabeth cornwall all signed with a x
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We look to have the same wider family. This Jane looks to be the one born in 1862 with mmn being Wood. I think I've teased out before that the Goldenhill Jane, who married this Thomas Kent might have been a Wood. It all suggests that the age (7) of Elizabeth in the 1861Census was misrecorded, mistranscribed or whatever. It should have been 10 or 11.
We then have the 1851 June Qty Vol 17 p228 birth registration of Elizabeth Kent, mmn Wood.
Thomas Kent married Jane Wood at St Mark's Shelton in 1848 (just spotted it on staffordshirebmd.org.uk). Things are falling into place - unless someone comes up with contradictory information!
Many thanks for this lead.
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We look to have the same wider family. This Jane looks to be the one born in 1862 with mmn being Wood. I think I've teased out before that the Goldenhill Jane, who married this Thomas Kent might have been a Wood. It all suggests that the age (7) of Elizabeth in the 1861Census was misrecorded, mistranscribed or whatever. It should have been 10 or 11.
Many thanks for this lead.
also have a Thomas Kent in 1881 census age 69 an inmate in wolstanton & burslem work house but anable to be 100% sure if he is from the same kent boating family as there appears to be 3 other familys not connected also might be some intrest lavinia kent age 4 months daughter of thomas kent a canal boatmen was buried 1881 can supply full info if this is connected to you also have baptism records for john hanna kent 4 x children
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Hi all canal boatmen and women ancestors i am starting a group on facebook, everyone is welcome, it is a good start to share stories and photo's or if you need help with your family, most are related one way or another harrison, ward, wood, humphries, etc, let me know if you want to be part of the group by message and i will add you, i have done this for my family and we have quite a few now, everyone getting to know others would be great as i said most boating families are related somehow,
hope to see you soon
regards kerry
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my ancestors are william and phoebe FLATLEY who worked and lived on the canal in kidderminster william born 1863 he would be up and down the canal in wolverhampton and staffordshire.
any info would be great