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Roy family Glasgow
« on: Tuesday 10 December 13 01:18 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for anyone connecting with the Roy family who lived in the Parkhead/Tollcross area of Glasgow in the 19th & 20th C.
My grandparents were Andrew Roy 1903-71 & Agnes Boyd 1902-75.
My GG parents were John Roy 1869-1936 & Jane Hunter 1872-1950.
My GGG parents were Andrew Roy 1842-94 & Mary Hamilton 1843-1913.
My GGGG parents were William Roy 1806-73 & Jane Leitch 1808-87.

Any connections to these families would be welcome.

Stephen
Roy family, Glasgow (Barony, High Church, Camlachie); Graham (Bute & Dunbartonshire); Clow (Dunbartonshire & Glasgow).

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Re: Roy family Glasgow
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 February 14 18:14 GMT (UK) »
I too am looking for the Roy family of Lanarkshire Scotland.
My 3rd great grandfather was John Roy b 1803 Bailleston, Lanarkshire - d??,
married to Margaret Patterson 1805-1889  She died in Westville, NS,
Their son John (Jock) Roy 1823 Tollcross, Lanarkshire, emigrated to Nova Scotia, died Oct 21 1895. He was my 2nd great grandfather.
I have lots of information on Jock's children but no further parentage beyond the names of John and Margaret.
I believe than John's father was also named John Roy and may have been born about 1780?
Any information would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Roy family Glasgow
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 March 14 12:35 GMT (UK) »
     There is an Old Parish record on Scotlands People for a John Roy who married Margaret Paterson [spelt with one "t") on 1 Mar 1823.      If looking for it on Scotlands People, type in County of Lanarkshire, and the Parish is Old Monkland.     The GRO number is 652/00 0030 0015      Baillieston came under Old Monkland in the old days.

     There was also a John Roy, who died at Milton, Glasgow in 1863.     He was aged 63, and his mother was named Hill.
     
     And a John Roy, aged 70, died at Bridgeton, Glasgow in 1874.

     If you decide to open them up, remember that the deaths aren't parish records, so there may be more information on them.     But with the marriage record dated 1823, that is likely to be simply one sentence, giving you very little information.     

                                               

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Re: Roy family Glasgow
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 March 14 12:53 GMT (UK) »
If Margaret, mother, died in Nova Scotia, maybe husband John did too? Someone has this tree here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9HCH-YBX Do you know when Margaret and son John left for Scotland? Son John married by 1868 in NS? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F2G5-L5M

This may be John and Margaret Roy, in Pictou NS, in 1871 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4DC-N5S:

John Roy, miner 67 b. Scotland
Margaret Roy 65 b. Scotland

Assuming it is the right couple here, Margaret showing as widowed by 1881 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MVXS-2VR

This info likely links back to early census entries back in Scotland for a coal mining family. Here in 1851:

John Roy 47 coal miner b. Douglas, Lanark
Margaret Roy 46 b. Tollcross, Lanark
Margaret Roy 25 b. Tollcross, Lanark
Robert Roy 20 coal miner b. Tollcross, Lanark
James Roy 19 coal miner b. Old Monkland, Lanark
William Roy 12 coal miner b. Old Monkland, Lanark
Agnes Roy 3 b. Old Monkland, Lanark https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY3N-F1M and marriage? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N49M-PJT
William Henderson 6 grandchild
John Henderson 5 grandchild
Margaret Henderson 3 grandchild
Elisa Henderson 1 grandchild
Address: Village Motherwell, Dalziel, Lanarkshire

An Elizabeth b. 1843 who may have died young? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTG7-QV3 Also, a David b. 1845 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTG7-ZXV

Monica
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Re: Roy family Glasgow
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 March 14 15:17 GMT (UK) »
From the 1841 census in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire:

John Roy 35
Margaret Paterson 35
John Roy 15 coal miner
Margaret Roy 15
Janett Roy 10
Robert Roy 10
James Roy 5
Ann Roy 3 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTGM-V8R
William Roy 1

Address: Dundyvan Row

A couple of points specific to the 1841 census. Ages for those over 15yrs old were supposed to be rounded down to then nearest 5 years. This is why John Jnr shows as aged 15. Also, relationships within the household were not supposed to be added.

Margaret is also showing under her maiden name which is not unusual in this period. By law and practice, in Scotland, married women did not 'loose' their maiden names after marriage and not uncommon for them to use their maiden name at any time in this way.

Monica
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Re: Roy family Glasgow
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 March 14 15:38 GMT (UK) »
    There are several trees on Ancestry that have the John Roy who was born in 1803 and married on 1 Mar 1823.      They give his death as being at Westville, Pictou on 21 June 1873.
When you try a general search on Ancestry for John Roy, born 1803 Baillieston ... Spouse Margaret Paterson, you get this.       But I haven't read all the attachments on the posts here, so I am not sure if this is already known.
 

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Re: Roy family Glasgow
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 March 14 16:53 GMT (UK) »
That 1873 death would seem to fit from what we have potentially on the censuses between 1871 and 1881 in Pictou wouldn't it doddsie?

The Henderson children showing in 1851 would seem to belong to daughter Margaret Jnr going by this info here http://lemac2.tripod.com/index-3.html and also www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=84178296

Just4Kix, not sure what info if any is included on death registrations for the periods we are looking at. I was trying to go through the names of John and wife Margaret's children to see whether you could get any clues from their names. The Scots and the Irish mainly loved using important family names for their children and this can often gives you big clues regarding possible paternal and maternal grandparents (see here for example www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm).

From 1851 where more detailed birth places were included, Margaret showed as born in Tollcross which is in the Shettleston district and John showed as Douglas (Baillieston that you mentioned is in the area of Old Monkland). What shows on censuses is not always accurate, so worth keeping an open mind. Why do you think John Roy Snr. was born in Baillieston?

Monica  :)

 

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Re: Roy family Glasgow
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 01:21 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for all of this wonderful information!!
Yes, John and Margaret (Paterson) Roy are definitely the people I'm researching. Until you wonderful people came up with 1873, I don't think anywhere I've researched so far has shown the death date of John Sr.
I do have though a mention that Margaret Paterson Roy was killed in a carriage accident with a horse.
The reason I said Tolcross was John (Jock) Roy was born there Dec 10, 1803. But now you've mentioned Douglas, Scotland I have some where else to follow.
I have a picture of John Jock Roy's headstone at St. Philips Cemetery in Westville, Nova Scotia, but nothing for Margaret or John Sr.

This site says: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9HCH-YBX
 John (Jock) Roy
birth:    10 December 1823
death:    21 October 1895
 Margaret Roy
birth:    1825
death:    23 June 1898
 Janet Roy
birth:    1829
death:    30 May 1903
Robert Roy
birth:    1830
death:    
 James Roy
birth:    1834
death:    11 September 1909
 Annie Roy
birth:    1837
death:    1919
 William Roy
birth:    1840
death:    24 February 1920
Elizabeth Roy
birth:    27 January 1843
death:    8 October 1844
David Roy
birth:    8 December 1845
death:    20 October 1846
Agnes Hamilton Roy
birth:    6 March 1848
death:    
 
John Roy
birth:    1803
Baillston, Lanarkshire, Scotland
death:    June 1873
Westville, Nova Scotia St. Phillips Cemetary

spouse: 
Margaret Patterson
birth:    1805
marriage:    March 1823
death:    19 December 1889

The Henderson Family is in fact a branch of this great tree. But they haven't any further information that John and Margaret listed.

John Roy 15 coal miner, That's our Jock! As far as I can tell from the repetition of names JOHN seems to be the favorite.

If I'm understanding all this correctly it looks like John Roy 1803-1875, son John Jock Roy 1823 - 1895, son David Roy 1867 - 1955, son Clem Roy 1904 - 1972, son Gordon Roy 1931 - Nov 19, 2014, and then Jan Roy (that's me and the birth date is a national secret!)

I've had remarkable results with:
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com for BMD, but I cannot locate a John Roy who died between 1871 and 1881

Our Jock or John (the son of John and Margaret) was in fact married by 1868. He was actually married three times by then. Catherine Turnbull, Fanny Brown and my 3rd great grandmother Joanna McNeill. There were 19 children among the three families. We refer to each other as being from The First, The Second or as I am, The Third Family.
John (Jock) Roy
birth:    10 December 1823
Tolcross, Lanarkshire, Scotland
death:    21 October 1895
Westville, Nova Scotia


spouse: 
Johanna MacNeill
birth:    1837
marriage:    1868
death:    1904


Fanny Brown
birth:    February 1823
marriage:    1843
death:    29 August 1855


Catherine Anne Turnbull
birth:    5 April 1825
marriage:    25 September 1855
death:    8 January 1868

We haven't been able to verify this but family history says that James Roy (brother of Jock) came to Canada around 1840, sent for his brother Jock who arrived on a ship Tomkitaboo. No where is there any mention of this ship that we've been able to trace.

I've managed to research other branches of my own family: Porter/Marshall (Galloway Scotland 1742) and Sinclair/MacDonald/Van Buskirk (the only non Scottish name in the group!!) but I am at a loss with the Roys.

Thank you again, so all your information. Things like Douglas, Scotland, the repetition of names, maiden names being used and John Sr's death are so much appreciated. I can't believe how long it's been since I've been on the Roy section of this site.

Jan

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Re: Roy family Glasgow
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 06:59 GMT (UK) »
I remember Allan Roy from westmuir street in parkhead glasgow.Is this the same family?
scotland-anderson,bruce,wilson,carrick,elliott,fallan.
england-gribbon,evans,snell,anderson
australia-anderson, beattie
usa-campbell,anderson   canada-anderson.
mexico - Anderson and cramer