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Re: Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 27 August 14 21:09 BST (UK) »
ok, found the entry, 
Centenary Row West, Camborne RG12/1850 folio 91 pg 21
Thomas Williams head mar 40 b. Cornwall, Lostwithiel
Mary Ann wife 25 b. Sometshire
Rose dau 5 b. Camborne
Arthur son 3 b. Camborne
George son 1 b. Camborne

so 1851
North Street, Lostwithiel HO107/1904 folio 46 pg 6
Edwin Williams head mar 22 miner b. Crowan
Anne wife 27 b. Cardinham
Thomas son 2 b. Lostwithiel
Mary dau 7 mo b. Lostwithiel
Susan Cole lodger widow 67 receiving relief b. Lostwithiel
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 27 August 14 23:26 BST (UK) »
Oh, that is terrific! Thank you. This is the right family. George, Son, 1, is my grandfather. Family lore suggested Thomas was born in Wales. I have been looking though census lists from Wales with no success. It is great to confirm the Cornwall birth, and for father Edwin, as well. Is the first entry you found from a census? It seems to confirm that Thomas did shave a few years off his age for the marriage certificate.

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Re: Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 28 August 14 10:28 BST (UK) »
sorry that wasn't clear. It's the 1891 census entry that I was asking if you had, which it seems you didn't.   ;)

The 1851 from Lostwithiel shows a lodger, I think she's actually Ann's mother, surname appears as Cole, Cowl, Coul.

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne
« Reply #30 on: Friday 29 August 14 04:17 BST (UK) »

Thank you Osprey for the suggestion that Susan was Anne's mother. I think that is correct. I found a baptism for Ann Coul listing the mother as Susan and the father as Thomas, 1 Dec 1822, Cardinham, Cornwall, and a marriage date from Jan-Feb-Mar 1848, Bodmin, for Marriage to Edwin Williams. A Susan was listed as present, also. It is satisfying to fill in some of the blanks. I hope I can discover a little more.


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Re: Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne
« Reply #31 on: Friday 29 August 14 09:45 BST (UK) »
you can look at scans of some of the Cornwall parish registers via the FamilySearch site

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1769414

bottom of page, browse through images

Ann's father appears to have the middle name Billing or Belling

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne
« Reply #32 on: Friday 29 August 14 17:35 BST (UK) »
I searched the link you provided for Thomas Coul, Cowl, Cole but didn't find that reference with the middle name. That would be very interesting. I believe Thomas Williams, my great grandfather's middle name is Billing, as is my grandfather's, father's and brother's.

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Re: Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne
« Reply #33 on: Friday 29 August 14 23:16 BST (UK) »
sorry, the link was so that you could look at the scanned records. It's easier to search on the opc database, then using the date, check the original

his marriage
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=1151162

& baptism of a sibling of Ann
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=2636467

his burial
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1232831
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 30 August 14 01:51 BST (UK) »
Oh those links are great. I will practice a little bit and see if I can find my way around better through the databases. You are very kind to take the time to find this information. I deeply appreciate the help. I am planning to visit Cornwall from California next year and see some of these locations in person. There is a real story of hardship and fortitude in the lives of these tin miners that is suggested by the census data.

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Re: Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 31 August 14 17:57 BST (UK) »
not all records have been transcribed as yet for the opc database, baptism for Thomas in Bodmin in 1771 son of Richard & Catherine is here

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22654-46686-32?cc=1769414&wc=M6NX-429:138123201,138171401,138198901

This marriage would seem to explain the Billing middle name
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=922734
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb