Author Topic: 1871 Wiltshire / Staffordshire / Bristol / IOW : WILTSHIRE / ALLEN / STOOKE  (Read 4337 times)

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Re: 1871 Wiltshire / Staffordshire / Bristol / IOW : WILTSHIRE / ALLEN / STOOKE
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 10 August 14 10:13 BST (UK) »
Because the family is in the Isle of Wight from the early 1840s onward.

The two children who were born in Wiltshire (George's first wife Martha's children by her first husband) were born in 1838 and 1840, in Preshute / Manton. Martha was from Preshute. As were her parents. First husband and family were from Mildenhall.

Martha runs off with George "Wiltshire" to the Isle of Wight, she has two children by him, who are born in the IOW in 1848 and 1851, respectively.

So the Jane Wilshire birth in Pewsey 1850 is unlikely to be significant.
Pollington: Ontario/England...
Crossman/Kraussman: Waterloo co. Canada/Hesse Germany
Hagarty: Co. Waterford, Ireland
McGrath: Co. Cork, Ireland
Turner: Berkshire, England
Hazell: Wiltshire, England
Waring: Frolesworth, LEI; Bugbrook, NOR; Cripplegate/London, England
Pearcy: Pattishall, Northants
Scott: Norfolk Lusher: Norfolk, , England
Powling: Suffolk, England

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Re: 1871 Wiltshire / Staffordshire / Bristol / IOW : WILTSHIRE / ALLEN / STOOKE
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 10 August 14 11:46 BST (UK) »


Reply #9 amended
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Re: 1871 Wiltshire / Staffordshire / Bristol / IOW : WILTSHIRE / ALLEN / STOOKE
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 10 August 14 12:18 BST (UK) »
Possibly Hannah in 1851
H0107/1953 f94 p5
12 Catherine Place, Bristol
Elizabeth Henderson   77 bn Jamaica
Sidney M Anderson   73 bn Jamaica
Hannah Allen 15 Servant bn Worcestershire
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Re: 1871 Wiltshire / Staffordshire / Bristol / IOW : WILTSHIRE / ALLEN / STOOKE
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 10 August 14 12:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your stellar efforts, Ray, but you're covering ground I'm familiar with.  Jane Clemens Wiltshire is my ggggrandmother.

I know of Martha's children by William Wait(e), that he was a policeman. We even have his service record. That is part of the reason why we believe that George would have been moved to change his last name when running off with Martha. I have the tree pretty well covered on Martha Tucker - Wait - Wiltshire's side, and their descendants after the IOW. It's going back toward George that is trying. I have a speculation as to what his name might have been, based on looking for carpenters in the area with the right birthdate. But one thing at a time.

To go back to my first posting, I might get another little sliver of info from his marriage to the Mary A. Wiltshire and her nephew who show up on the 1871 census.

So I'm still hoping for someone to search for the Allen family in 1841/ 51 /61 to see if Hannah is there with her sister Mary Ann, father William, mother Hannah, in / near Evesham and later Dudley. If they are, the trail then leads back to nephew Charles at George Wiltshire's home in 1871, which means my guess about the marriage to Mary Ann Allen is correct, and I can order the certificate to see if there's any info about George's father's name or profession.

Hope that's a bit clearer.


Pollington: Ontario/England...
Crossman/Kraussman: Waterloo co. Canada/Hesse Germany
Hagarty: Co. Waterford, Ireland
McGrath: Co. Cork, Ireland
Turner: Berkshire, England
Hazell: Wiltshire, England
Waring: Frolesworth, LEI; Bugbrook, NOR; Cripplegate/London, England
Pearcy: Pattishall, Northants
Scott: Norfolk Lusher: Norfolk, , England
Powling: Suffolk, England


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Re: 1871 Wiltshire / Staffordshire / Bristol / IOW : WILTSHIRE / ALLEN / STOOKE
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 10 August 14 12:35 BST (UK) »
Ah, Rosie, fabulous! Thank you!!

So now we're looking for:

near Dudley Staffordshire / Worcestershire
or Evesham Worcestershire

1841
William Allen head
Hannah wife
Hannah c5
Mary ? maybe too early, according to 1871 census, she's born 1841
et al kids

1851
William Allen head
Hannah wife
Mary A. 10
et al.

1861
Mary A. Allen 20
with the family, or on her own...



Possibly Hannah in 1851
H0107/1953 f94 p5
12 Catherine Place, Bristol
Elizabeth Henderson   77 bn Jamaica
Sidney M Anderson   73 bn Jamaica
Hannah Allen 15 Servant bn Worcestershire
Pollington: Ontario/England...
Crossman/Kraussman: Waterloo co. Canada/Hesse Germany
Hagarty: Co. Waterford, Ireland
McGrath: Co. Cork, Ireland
Turner: Berkshire, England
Hazell: Wiltshire, England
Waring: Frolesworth, LEI; Bugbrook, NOR; Cripplegate/London, England
Pearcy: Pattishall, Northants
Scott: Norfolk Lusher: Norfolk, , England
Powling: Suffolk, England

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Re: 1871 Wiltshire / Staffordshire / Bristol / IOW : WILTSHIRE / ALLEN / STOOKE
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 10 August 14 12:37 BST (UK) »


So I'm still hoping for someone to search for the Allen family in 1841/ 51 /61 to see if Hannah is there with her sister Mary Ann, father William, mother Hannah, in / near Evesham and later Dudley.

Sorry, I cannot see a Hannah in 1841 with parents William & Hannah in the areas you state.

The 1841 census cannot be searched with parents names, each entry has to be looked at
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Re: 1871 Wiltshire / Staffordshire / Bristol / IOW : WILTSHIRE / ALLEN / STOOKE
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 10 August 14 12:44 BST (UK) »
Ah, I hadn't realised that about the 1841.

Thanks for looking. Hannah would be about 5, so I assume she would be with her parents William and Hannah.

Any sign of William and Hannah with Mary in the 1851 or even 1861?
Pollington: Ontario/England...
Crossman/Kraussman: Waterloo co. Canada/Hesse Germany
Hagarty: Co. Waterford, Ireland
McGrath: Co. Cork, Ireland
Turner: Berkshire, England
Hazell: Wiltshire, England
Waring: Frolesworth, LEI; Bugbrook, NOR; Cripplegate/London, England
Pearcy: Pattishall, Northants
Scott: Norfolk Lusher: Norfolk, , England
Powling: Suffolk, England

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Re: 1871 Wiltshire / Staffordshire / Bristol / IOW : WILTSHIRE / ALLEN / STOOKE
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 10 August 14 13:03 BST (UK) »
The best that I can come up with -
1851 Horfield Gloucestershire
William Allen   43 cabinet maker bn Lichfield, staffs
Hannah Allen   43 bn Lichfield
Edwin Allen   14 bn Lichfield
Mary Allen  10 bn Lichfield
Ann Allen   7 bn Bristol
Elizabeth Allen   6 bn Bristol

1861 Horfield
William Allen   54 Paper Hanger bn Burton on Trent
Hannah Allen   54 bn Aberwas, Staffordshire
Edwin Allen   24 bn Worcester
Ann Allen   17 bn Bristol St Philips
Elizabeth Allen   14 bn Bristol St Andrews

I think you will like this though  ;D
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3BS-2ZK


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Re: 1871 Wiltshire / Staffordshire / Bristol / IOW : WILTSHIRE / ALLEN / STOOKE
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 10 August 14 15:02 BST (UK) »
Oh my giddy aunt!  :o :o
They can't be 'mine'.  Could they be mine?   ???
I think I'm going to have to have a good lie down!

Thanks for all your efforts pawing through all the William and Hannah Allens.
Why they couldn't have a nice unique name like Jingleheimerschmidt, I just don't understand.

Wendy
Pollington: Ontario/England...
Crossman/Kraussman: Waterloo co. Canada/Hesse Germany
Hagarty: Co. Waterford, Ireland
McGrath: Co. Cork, Ireland
Turner: Berkshire, England
Hazell: Wiltshire, England
Waring: Frolesworth, LEI; Bugbrook, NOR; Cripplegate/London, England
Pearcy: Pattishall, Northants
Scott: Norfolk Lusher: Norfolk, , England
Powling: Suffolk, England