William Boyce & Sarah Andrews

[linde]

Dear Listers,
Trying to find out the marriage details of the following children belonging to
WILLIAM JOHN BOYCE & SARAH ANDREWS.

William John Boyce....6/04/1834
Margaret Mary..........c1835
Elizabeth Boyce........c1837
Charles Samuel........c1840
John Richard............c1847

PS On onother thread I already have information about SARAH CATHERINE BOYCE.

With thanks,
Sieglinde, Australia.

[keyboard86]

Hi again, Margaret Mary Boyce married a William Milford Williams Sept qtr 1857 Totnes 5b 273

This again is the 1881, which any site will provide a free look-up for you:-

1881 Census

William M Williams 49 b Halwell, Devon
Margaret Mary 46 b Oreston (Plymouth in earlier census)
Sarah Elizabeth 21 b Rattery
Mary Jane Boyce 17 b Ugborough
Charles Albert 15 b Ugborough
Emily Alma 12 b Ugborough
Bosina Jan 7 b Totnes
Ada Florence 3 b Ugborough
Residing at Buckfast Cottage, Buckfastleigh
Census Ref RG11/217/86/1

Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Hi again, Elizabeth Boyce marries Richard Emmett March qtr 1861 Totnes 5b 303

1861 Census

William Boyce 61 occ Ag Lab b Plymouth
Elizabeth Boyce 55 b Halwell
Richard Emmett 25 Lodger occ Ag Lab b Dean Prior
Elizabeth Emmett 22 b Plymouth
Residing at Millcross, Rattery
Census Ref RG09/1421/49/17

Cannot locate Richard or Elizabeth post 1861 their are these deaths in Totnes:-
Richard Emmett June qtr 1863 Totnes 5b 134
Elizabeth Emmett June qtr 1863 Totnes 5b 135 or 1864 Totnes 5b 150

Appears that Sarah dies possibly on Freebmd as Sarah BOYS Dec qtr 1848 Totnes 9 337, and William remarries an Elizabeth Trust Eastley Sept qtr 1852 Totnes 5b 339
Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Hi again, John Richard Boyce married an Ann Mildred Hosking Sept qtr 1868 Totnes 5b 305

1871 Census

John BOICE 25 occ Ag Lab b Rattery
Ann 27 b South Brent
Millie Hosking 5 b South Brent
Mary Boice 8 months b Rattery
Emma Prowse 24 Married/Visitor b Ugborough
Emma Prowse 1 Visitor b Ugborough
Residing at Snowden, Rattery
Census Ref RG10/2098/38/1
Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Hi again, now for the last 2, William John and Charles Samuel, Charles Samuel was registered June qtr 1840 Plymouth v9 page 389, and would I be correct that you know further on William John Boyce as you have his exact date of birth? ? Why 2 of the children with John in their name?

1841 Census

John Andrews 69 occ Ag Lab
Mary Andrews 76
William Boyce 7
Residing at Oreston, Plymstock, Plympton St Mary
Census Ref HO107/238/ 15/21 /37

1841 Census

William BUOYS 40 occ Labourer
Sarah 30
Margaret 6
Elizabeth 4
Charles 1
Residing at South Side Street, St Andrew, Plymouth
Census Ref HO107/270/ 1/10 / 15

1851 Census

John Andrews 73 Widower occ Labourer b Plymouth
William Boyce 16 Grandson b Plymstock
Elizabeth 13 Grandaughter b Rattery
John Barker 13 Grandson b Plymstock
Richard Barker 10 Grandson b Plymstock
Residing at Stadfold, Plymstock, Plympton St Mary
Census Ref HO107/1877/140/53

1841 Census

Living next door to John Andrews in 1841 are:-

Mary BARTER 37 occ Pauper
John 4
Richard 9 months
Census Ref HO107/238/ 15/21 / 37

1851 Census

William BOICE 51 Widower occ Ag Lab b Plymouth
Sarah Catern? 6 b Rattery
John Richard 4 b Rattery
Residing at Alms House, Rattery
Census Ref HO107/1874/539/17

1851 Census

Margaret BOICE 15 occ House Servant for White family at Luscombe Farm, Rattery
Census Ref HO107/1874/533/4

So where/what happens to Charles post 1841 and William John post 1851?

Keyboard86

PS Sarah was not registered as Sarah Catherine, but Sarah CATTERN Boyce Dec qtr 1844 Totnes 9 499

[linde]

Good morning,
I must apologize, as all the "burden" for my look-up-request has fallen on your shoulders.
First of all many thanks, in future will request one look up at a time on this site.
kind regards and have a lovely day,
Sieglinde.

[keyboard86]

Good morning,
I must apologize, as all the "burden" for my look-up-request has fallen on your shoulders.
First of all many thanks, in future will request one look up at a time on this site.
kind regards and have a lovely day,
Sieglinde.

  It was no problem at all, when I got "lost" with one I then went to the next, so being on the one thread makes it so much easier!

Charles Samuel Boyce birth 30th March 1840 Christening 3rd May 1840 SALEM Chapel-Weslyan Methodist Church Plymouth Father William Mother Sarah, he could have changed his name and possibly was not aware of his year of birth, as their is a marriage of a SALEM Charles Boyce to Eliza Jane Paines in Sept qtr 1872 Bedminster 5c 167 he dies in West Ham, Essex?!

Keyboard86

PS so when/where did William & Sarah marry, and why was William John always with his Grandfather, and where is he after 1851?

[keyboard86]

Dear Listers,
Trying to find out the marriage details of the following children belonging to
WILLIAM JOHN BOYCE & SARAH ANDREWS.

William John Boyce....6/04/1834
Margaret Mary..........c1835
Elizabeth Boyce........c1837
Charles Samuel........c1840
John Richard............c1847

PS On onother thread I already have information about SARAH CATHERINE BOYCE.

With thanks,
Sieglinde, Australia.

Hi again Sieglinde, when you arrive back on the forum, could you please put at least my mind at rest and explain how you are aware of William John Boyce's exact date of birth or baptism, I have attempted to replicate that exact date and come up with nothing

Also when/where did Sarah & William marry, again a problem for me?
Any further knowledge you can give would be so helpful

I do not know why but the more I look at the census returns for Salem Charles Boyce the more I believe it could be him!

EDIT was Wiliam John not a Boyce but an Andrews?

Marriage by banns Sarah Andrews to William Boyce 11th April 1835 Charles, Plymouth in the presence of one of the witnesses John Andrews?

And this baptism William John Andrews b ?? baptised 4th May 1834 Father William John Mother Sarah abode Oreston, Plymouth

All pure speculation , but ?
Keyboard86

[linde]

Good morning,
It is very sweet of you wanting "closure" regarding William John Boyce.
Briefly, this "hopefully" is my husband's Ancestor.
After 10 years of searching for WJB on the England Genforum....had found an article in
the South Australian papers: for his death, "DEVON PAPERS PLEASE". So this had been my first hint
that he perhaps had come from Devon.
Even now after all those years have never found him coming out on any ship..have searched
WA, Victoria etc.
Briefly I will fill you in and the William John Boyce who was my husband's Ancestor.
As I do not know what year he arrived from England his life which I have traced in SA
starts when he married MARY TABRAHAM HAWKES...1st October 1862 in Adelaide.
He had 9 children by 1881.
On the 7th October 1884 he married for a second time Ann Hall (nee Scott). She was also
a widow with a number of children..they never had a child together.
Eventually dear WJB ended up in Broken Hill, NSW..I presume working in the Mines.
Have searched so much but found nothing.
Even searched for school records as William youngest daughter Lottie May was only 3 years
when her mother died...and from memory Ann's youngest was also around this time.
William and Ann were only married for 3 years...he died in Broken Hill 20/9/1888 and
was burried in a paupers grave, he was only 53 years old.
Such a sad story..never found out if some of the children moved with him and wife Ann to
Broken Hill or they stayed behind in Adelaide.
You see, if I could have found his ship arrival would have made searching that much easier.
I have even searched court records because of the following.
A relation who married WJB grandson told cousins years later that when her father-in-law
and husband died she found some paper work which according to her: "you would not want
to know about".,..so she promptly destroyed them all. Which made us wonder if perhaps he
had some prison record in his past..we will never know.
We as researchers in our family "nearly cried" when we found out that she had destroyed
all the paper work.
So now we come to the connection with the Andrews family...all of the researchers who had
replied to me came to the conclusion that the WJB born to Sarah Andrews was my husband's
Ancestor.
Now wonder what conclusions you will come to.
Have a lovely day...it it 9.25 am here.
Thank you so very much for perservering with my family.
Sieglinde.