David Guthrie Flora Shaw - Edinburgh

[Forfarian]

David Guthrie 22,occupation Gardener J ( likely Junior )

But more likely Journeyman, i.e. a qualified gardener who worked for a master gardener, but was not yet ready to become a master in his own right.

[Annette7]

I can offer one possibility for David Guthrie although it is a tenuous link at best.

In 1841 besides David there is only one other Guthrie - a Richard - who is a gardener (in Montrose, Ayr).   Living with father James who is a Baker.   By 1851 Richard now married but still living with father James - James now a Baker and Green Grocer, Richard shown as Baker.   By 1861 looks like father James has died and Richard now shown as Market Gardener.

James Guthrie married a Janet Tyrie 22/5/1808 Montrose - the following children show on familysearch:

Alexander b.22/1/1809
James b.16/6/1811
David b.22/3/1813 (must have died)
Robert b.11/3/1815
Richard b.27/12/1817
David b.11/1/1819
Charles b.15/7/1822
John Wood b. April 1824

No trace of David in Montrose 1841 nor anywhere else after then so is this possibly your David knowing there is a gardener link to this family?

Annette
 

[Forfarian]

Looks like a good possibility.

However if you search on FreeCen for surname Guthrie and occupation Gard* rather than Gardener you get 4 results besides David in Edinburgh

George, 60, in Dundee, not born in Angus
John, 78, in Dalmellington, Ayrshire, born in Ayrshire
Richard, 20, in Montrose, Angus (Montrose is not in Ayr), born in Angus
Robert, 35, East Kilpatrick, not born in Dunbartonshire

Given that David and Flora named one of their sons George, one has to consider the possibility that he was an unrecorded son of George the gardener.

[ericthepenguin1]

Wow, thanks for all of your help guys.

I did not know about the probates for David and Flora. The first is defo my man, and the latter looks hopeful as the beneficiary was a seedsman, (well they have a connection with Gardens!).

I wonder why she did not leave the money to her son? I guess all we can assume is that she was either having a relationship with John Hughes, or she didn't know where her son had gone to. (see below)

The Gardening theme, (thankfully), did continue in the family as David's son, George was an apprentice gardener on the 1871 Census.  I  located on the 1881 Census a George Guthrie who was a Plant salesman in Tottenham. One  son was David George, who end up...yes you have guessed it....a professional musician in an Orchestra!!!!, (Flautist). My mother said he died early due to drinking excessive amounts of Whisky, thus proving the Scottish connection 

As regards the Father of David, (the David DOB c1817), it appears the trail will go cold. I do think however that the George from Dundee looks the favourite but is too tenuous a link to stand up.

Once again everyone thanks for all your help

Regards

Eric

[torilar]

There are two recorded births round about the right time for David Guthrie with father called George......not that it means much as lots of births weren't recorded. There is also nothing to say that his father was called George anyway.
One in Kinnell Angus to George Guthrie and Agnes Glen the other in Duns Berwickshire to George Guthrie and Mary Crease

[Annette7]

There are 3 births registered in Llanrwst:

Henry Dec.1849
Margaret Dec.1852
George Jun. 1855

If following the Scottish naming pattern with 1st son named after paternal grandfather, then David Guthrie's father would be a Henry!

Annette