Bird Family

[judi2632]

 Hi

I wonder if anyone can shed any light on this

( Fact) Harry Bird born 1885 Fenton Staffordshire to John Bird and Elizabeth Baddeley  ( birth record on staffordshire BMD ( Cert on order)

Harry Bird  appears on the

1911 census married to Louisa Martin and 4 kids

1905 Married Louisa Martin

1901 on Census with
John Bird   67 Father  Hewer Coal Miner ...Warwick, Warwickshire, England
Elizabeth Bird 67 Mother
Esther A Woodward 24 Step daughter ( Wife's child from previous marriage)
Harry Bird   15 Son  ( Son of John Bird and Elizabeth Woodward nee Baddeley )
Elsie Woodward   3 Grand Daughter ( child of the above Esther)
Ethel Woodward   1 Grand Daughter  ( child of the above Esther)
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1891 census
George Woodward 24 Head  Coal Miner,  Fenton Staffordshire
Jane Woodward   20 Wife Coal
John Bird   57 Step Father  Coal Miner , Tamworth Staffordshire
Elizebeth Bird   55 Wife ( to John) although I can't find any marriage)
William Woodward 21 ( Elizabeth's son)
Emily Woodward    16 (Elizabeths Daughter)
Esther Woodward 14 (Elizabeths Daughter)
Eliza Woodward   11 (Elizabeths Daughter)
Harry Bird 5 son of John and Elizabeth Bird
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ok so John Bird is my brickwall
John Bird appears to be living with Elizabeth Baddaley who first married George Woodward born  1836 – 1880,

I cant see a marriage between 1880 and 1885 for John Bird to Elizabeth Woodward /Baddaley
and I'm struggling to pin down John Bird before the 1891 census

John Bird died 1908

Any help received with thanks

Judi

[ChrissieL]

1881 census
RG11; Piece: 2733; Folio: 27; Page: 22;
A John Bird is living at 189 Wood Street, Longton
Gives his birth location as Lear Marson, Warwickshire, Coal Miner, Widow
William Milner   43
Elizabeth Milner   37
Thomas Milner   2
William E. Milner   0
John Bird   47

[ChrissieL]

This looks like the same John Bird

1871 census
Class: RG10; Piece: 2862; Folio: 64; Page: 24;
Shelton, Stoke on Trent

Thomas Hayne   35
Mary Hayne   36
Henry Hayne   11
Joseph James Hayne   8
John Hayne   4
James Hayne   2
John Bird   35  Lodger, Collier, born  Lee Marston, Warwickshire
Mary Bird   20 Wife
John William Bird   1 Week

[ciderdrinker]

Baptism Lea Marston
John Bird 29.6.1834 s of Thomas and Pheobe  Bird labourer Lea

1841 census Lea Marston
Thomas Bird 25 ag lab y
Pheobe 25  y
William 8
John 6
George 5
Thomas 2
Ann 14mths

The couple married at Kingsbury 5.6.1831 Thomas Bird of Lea Marston and Phebe Wright ,both made mark witnesses Sarah Dixon and Thomas Myring.

It seems Phebe Bird died 26.7.1851 age 41 buried Lea Marston and there is a Phebe age  4 months who was buried 17.7.1851  and baptised 9.3.1850 so it may be as a result of childbirth.
Other children Jane 18.4.1842,Henry 20.4.1847 and Emma 21.1.1849 all baptised at Lea Marston.

1851 census Lea Marston
Thomas 37 ag lab Lea Marston
Phebe 41 Dostill? Warwickshire
Thomas 13 Lea Marston
Ann 11
Jane 8
Isaac 6
Henry 5
Emma 1
Pheoby 2 months

Thomas remarries at St Martins Birmingham 17.9.1856
Thomas Bird widower Lab Digbeth Randle Bird Labourer
Ann Benton widow Digbeth James Waterson printer
Both made mark witnesses William and Amelia Bird.

1861 census Lea Marston
Thomas Bird 49 lab Lea Marston
Ann 48 Tamworth
Julia Benton daughter  7 Minworth

Ciderdrinker

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
There is a possible marriage for John Bird at St Martins Birmingham 30.5.1854
John Bird 21 labourer Coleshill St  s Thomas Bird labourer
Charlotte Sophia Nurser 21 Coleshill St d Thomas labourer
both signed witnesses Thomas and Ann Bevan

They are together in 1861 census at Rug St? Tamworth
John Bird 28 lab in gardens Lea Marston
Charlotte Sophia 28 Cudworth
Mary Ann 5 Nether Whitacre
Thomas 4
Isabella 10 mths
After that Charlotte and the children seem to disappear, except Isabella who is working as a servant in Carlisle in 1881 and may be a pauper in the Wigginton Workhouse Staffordshire 1871,Thomas who is living with relatives William (36)and Ann Joynes (34)1871.
But no sign of Charlotte's death.
There is another son John born and died 1863 Tamworth.14.2.1863-29.11.1863 but that's it.

So do the couple split?Does John meet up with Mary for the 1871 census and Elizabeth for 1881 and after and he is unable to marry either as Charlotte Sophia is still alive?

Ps the other John Bird from Middleton nearby born 1833 s of William and Mary  also with a wife Elizabeth married at Aston St Peter and St Paul 8.5.1854 an Elizabeth Thorley and they stayed there.

Ciderdrinker

[judi2632]

Hi

Many thanks for all the input, its great that in fact you have both followed the same line as I did.

I set up a tree for the Bird line independent of my main tree as I was unsure I had followed the correct John Bird.

I still feel I need more confirmation, as there is a lot of missing parts, but will continue to add to the information, and try to prove without doubt this is the correct John Bird.

I need to follow up

John William Bird born 1871 to John Bird and Mary UNKNOWN.

and need to try to track down what happened to Charlotte Nurser Bird did she leave John Bird and re marry or did she pass away

All the input is great and much appreciated

Judi