Thomas Morgan

[Dannemois]

Dwelling: Penyfyd Farm
Census Place: Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342277/PRO Ref RG11/Piece 5307/Folio 139/Page 16

Thomas MORGAN   head, 39, Farmer Of 40 Acres, Gelligaer, Glam.
Miriam MORGAN   wife,  35, Farmer’s wife,    Gelligaer, Glam.
Wm. MORGAN   son,   06,   Scholar      Gelligaer, Glam.
John MORGAN   son    04,    Scholar      Gelligaer, Glam.
Sarah MORGAN   daug  03          Gelligaer, Glam.
Edward MORGAN   son    02          Gelligaer, Glam.
Amelia MORGAN   daug   2 m      Gelligaer, Glam.
Catherine MORGAN   serv    15    Gen Ser Dom   Bedwellty, MON

By 1911 This family had moved to a neighbouring farm Gwern Llwyna Farm, Deri, Glam

I wonder could someone please help locate them on the 1891 and 1901.

My thanks in advance
Roy   

[osprey]

1901 Gwernllwynan farm, Deri RG13/5022 folio 6 pg 4
Thomas Morgan head mar 59 farmer
Miriam wife 52
William son 23 coal miner
Amelia dau 20 dress maker
Ann dau 17
Ruth dau 16
Wyndam son 14
Tom son 12
Rees son 10
all born Gelligaer

1891 Penyfid farm, Brithdir RG12/4431 folio 111 pg 1
Thomas Morgans head mar 49 farmer
Miriam wife 45
Sarah dau 13
Edmund son 11
Amy dau 9
Ann dau 8
Ruth dau 7
Windham son 4
Thomas son 3
Rees son 6 months (possibly - there's a mark on top so could be 6 wks)
all born Gelligaer

 

[Dannemois]

Many thanks Osprey, always nice to receive an e-mail from you.
Is there a chance I could please ask for help locating them on the earlier censuses
Cheers
Roy

[osprey]

ok, now, this looks like their marriage reg
Thomas Morgans march qtr 1875 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 484 with Miriam Saunders on the same page

1851 Mardy, Gelligaer HO107/2457 folio 245 pg 1
William Saunders head mar 35 farmer of 60 acres
Sarah wife 29
Mary dau 3
Miriam dau 4
Lewis son 6
Thomas son 2 b. Gelligaer
all born Bedwellty unless otherwise stated

1861 Mardy, Gogwyddgwyn, Gelligaer RG9/4045 folio 3 pg 1
William Saunders head mar 48 b. Bedwellty
Sarah wife 38 b. Bedwellty
Lewis son 16 b. Bedwellty
Thomas son 10 b. Bedwellty
William son 10 b. Gelligaer
Abraham son 1 month b. Gelligaer
Mary dau 16 b. Bedwellty
Miriam dau 14 b. Gelligaer
Amelia dau 8 b. Gelligaer
Sarah dau 6 b. Gelligaer
Ann dau 4 b. Gelligaer
Naomy dau 1 b. Gelligaer

1871 Mardy RG10/5389 folio 17 pg 29
William Sanders head mar 56 farmer 96 acres b. Bedwellty
Sarah wife 48 b. Bedwellty
Lewis son 26 employed on the farm b. Bedwellty
Miriam dau 24 b. Bedwellty
Thomas son 22 employed on the farm b. Bedwellty
William son 19 scholar b. Gelligaer
Sarah dau 14 b. Gelligaer
Ann dau 13 b. Gelligaer
Rees son 10 b. Gelligaer
Ruth dau 6 b. Gelligaer
David Charles son 4 b. Gelligaer

I'd had a quick look for Thomas  and didn't see anyone obvious, but the farm next to Mardy in 1871 has an interesting entry

Ysgwyddgwyn ishaf farm RG10/5369 folio 17 pg 29
Margaret Morgan head wid 74 farmer 120 acres b. Bedwellty
Edward son 34 employed on the farm b. Gelligaer
Martha Daniel dau mar 47 b. Gelligaer
David Daniel son-in-law 40 boarding b. Breconshire
Thomas Morgan servant 29 farm servant b. Gelligaer
Margaret Llewellyn serv 18 general servant b. Gelligaer
Griffith Williams visitor 65 bolster maker b. Llanfabon

I'll have another look around for Thomas. At the mo, he doesn't look to be directly related to the Morgan family he's working for, but....

[osprey]

getting somewhere now!

1851 Trod hiw jestin (? sorry can't make sense of farm name, but it's next to Brithdir isa)  HO107/2457  folio 241 pg 8
John Morgans head mar 47 farmer 67 acres 1 lab
Frances wife 34
Thomas son 9
John son 8
William son 7
Rachel dau 5
Sara dau 4
Francis son 9 months
John Jones servant 23 farm lab
Amelia Morgans dau 2
Jane Jones serv 20 housemaid
all born Glamorgan, apart from Frances who is born Pembrokeshire.

I had a look for for John & Frances on a later census to get more specific places of birth. Found them in 1881 - at Gwernllwyna!  And the Saunders family is on the same page at Mardy. RG11/5308 folio 46A pg 40.
Frances' place of birth is given as Cilgerran.

 

[Dannemois]

Hi Osprey

Troed Rhiw Jestyn is the name of the farm, was one of the old Gelligaer parish farms, along with all others mentioned, neighbouring mountain farms along the Cefn Brithdir Mountain ridge bordering Deri, Fochrhiw and Rhymney areas of the Rhymney Valley in the 1700/1800s period. 

Cheers, Roy

[osprey]

forgot I had a bit more to give you! And the farm name was clearer on this one.

1841 Troed Rhiw Jestyn HO107/1414/7 folio 56 pg 6
Thomas Morgans 80 farmer
Sarah 70
John 35
Fany 20
Thomas 5 weeks
Joshua Lewis 14 male servant
all apart from Fanny born in county

Possible marriage?
John Morgan dec qtr 1840 Merthry Tydfil vol 26 pg 535 with Fanny Rees on the same page

[Dannemois]

Hello Osprey
Many thanks for your time and effort, your help is always gratefully received and appreciated.  How I wish I could be as usefull as you guys on this site, however I do try and on this occasion by researching someone born in Brithdir, who left when aged 7 years when his father, the village station master, relocated the family to Usk in Gwent when he was appointed the Station Master there, I have with your help managed to help this persons son learn of his mothers side of the family [Morgans].  I know when I send him the information later he is going to be very happy and on his behalf I would like to thank you also.

Best Regards
Roy   

[osprey]

have to say I rather enjoyed  my virtual roam around those farms.