Another Welsh translation request #1

[trystan]

Rachel,

Yes - The Streetview photo is near Waunfawr - and I suspect that "Allt" (the first picture) is on the same road - a bit higher up. You'd expect that the house "Allt" ('Hill') would be at the top or the bottom of a hill.

Trystan

[trystan]

The writing appears all in the same hand - do you know who that was?

[Rachel Williams]

Sadly, I'm not too sure. The last piece of the puzzle is the following image I have--- seriously damaged over the years I have but a fragment. The name Jones is perhaps telling as Nellie's grandmother was possibly Elizabeth Jones d. 22 May 1918 in Garmon Wales.

[trystan]

To me it says in Welsh:

Owain Jones ty Da-
ar wraig. Ne-
Glan Gwifain,
Yn work
house
-

Owain Jones ty Da- (a name of a house - literally 'Good House'? if it is Da)
and wife. Ne- (don't know what that is)
Glan Gwifai (it's in capitals, so it's likely to be a proper noun, a Place or Name)
In Work
House
(these last two words are already in English)

PS It could just as easlily say "In Waen Fawr" for the last three words too!


It's a tricky one this - this is handwriting recognition and translation all in one - and I'm not great at either.


Trystan

[Rachel Williams]

All photos seem to be from the same general area. So I suspect these people to be relatives Nellie left behind in Wales. She arrived in the USA in 1914 with a half sister Katherine last name possibly Owen. 

[trystan]

Did you see my last reply?

The last photo had an Ilford stamp and a number on it.

Can you scan the front and back of these photos (Rather than photograph them) and post them on the Handwriting Recognition board and ask if they are from the same camera / printer? I rather suspect they may be? If you put a link to this post then it will save a bit of translation work.


Trystan

[Rachel Williams]

It will take some time but I can do that. Again, thank you for the "above and beyond the call of duty" help

[trystan]

It's up to you, if you want more forensic help with these photographs then post them on:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=425.0

Trystan

[Sam Swift]

There's a John John Owen & family living at Glan Gwyrfai on the 1901 census and completed a Welsh census form. One daughter is called Ellen (could be Nellie).
RG RG13 Piece:5274 Folio:41 Page:4     
Reg. District:Carnarvon
Sub District:
Carnarvon
Parish:Waenfawr Enum. District:15
Ecclesiastical District:
Bettws Garmon & Waenfawr
Address:Glan Gwyrfai, Waenfawr
County:Carnarvonshire


OWEN, John Head Widower M 49 1852 Slate Quarry Man
 Waenfawr, Carnarvonshire
OWEN, Robert Son Single M 25 1876 Slate Quarry Man
 Waenfawr, Carnarvonshire
OWEN, David Son Single M 23 1878 Slate Quarry Man
 Waenfawr, Carnarvonshire
OWEN, Ellen Daughter Single F 19 1882
 Waenfawr, Carnarvonshire
OWEN, Dorothy Daughter Single F 16 1885
 Waenfawr, Carnarvonshire


They are on the 1891 census:

RG number:RG12
Piece:4661
Folio:116
Page:13       
Reg. District:Carnarvon
Sub District:Carnarvon
Parish:Llanbeblig
Enum. District:18
Ecclesiastical District:Waenfawr
City/Municipal Borough:Carnarvon
Address:Glan Gwyrfai, Llanbeblig, Waenfawr, Carnarvon
County:Caernarvonshire

OWEN, Joh(n) Head Married  M 32 1859 Slate Quarryman
 Llanbeblig, Carnarvonshire
OWEN, Margaret Wife Married  F 36 1855
 Llanwnda, Carnarvonshire
OWEN, Robert Son   M 15 1876 Slate Quarryman
 Llanwnda, Carnarvonshire
OWEN, David Son   M 13 1878 Slate Quarryman
 Llanbeblig, Carnarvonshire
OWEN, Ellen Daughter   F 10 1881
 Llanbeblig, Carnarvonshire
OWEN, Margaret A Daughter   F 8 1883
 Llanbeblig, Carnarvonshire
OWEN, Dorothy Daughter   F 6 1885
 Llanbeblig, Carnarvonshire

There is also another Owens family in the schedule before this living at Cyrnant Lodge Glangwyrfai head of family a Mary Jones who is a widow born 1820 Llanbeblig, with Davis Owen (lodger) and his wife Elizabeth born 1856 Llanbeblig and daughters Ellin A b 1876 and Mary 1882.