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Any information would help . Issac Wymer sailed to NZ in 1882 on the Famenorth .he was born in Norfolk 1859 .and left with his wife Elizabeth 1859. did he get there and where did he go .!!
thankyou for any help magic.
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Hi Magic
Do you know the maiden name of his wife Elizabeth ?
Strangely, there is a New Zealand marriage for an "Isaac George WYMER to an Elizabeth RUSSELL in 1904" ??
Will have a look around for some further information for you.
Lu
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Hi Lu,
sorry don't know her maiden name and i don't have any more info on him .
thanks .
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Hi again
Can't link to our BDM at present - the site seems to be throwing a bit of a "wobbly". ;D
However, the Archives New Zealand website, shows holdings of probate records for the following :
WYMER - Isaac - (of) Pukekohe - farmer - 1933
WYMER - Isaac George - Auckland - retired farmer - 1953
Clearly, two different "Isaac's".
Lu
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Hi Magic
Grrr ... without the benefit of the BDM site, can't do much useful searching at present. :(
Maybe though, this Isaac George WYMER was the son of Isaac ?
There is also a probate record for "a WYMER - Elizabeth - Auckland - 1963" ... possibly the wife of "Isaac George" (m. 1904) ?
Archives NZ link > >
http://www.archives.govt.nz/
Lu
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Hi Magic
This looks lto be the burial record for Elizabeth (b. 1859) the wife of Isaac ?
Otahuhu Cemetery, Auckland
WYMER - Elizabeth Ann - born England
beloved wife of I. WYMER
died - 1916 aged 58 years (born circa 1858)
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/Cemeteries/Cemetery.html
Lu
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Hi Magic
This appears to be the marriage.
FREE BMD
Marriages - DEC - 1879
WYMER - Isaac
Bride is shown as "Ann Elizabeth" - with two versions of her surname ? "FRANKSMAN" and "FRANSHAM" :
Reg'd at Blofield (Norfolk)
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Aah ... and at FREE BMD, also a birth registered at Blofield ...
BIRTHS - SEP - 1880
WYMER - Isaac George
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Thankyou once again ,
I think it must be my man .I am not up on the geography of NZ , Is Otahuhu where they would of settled and would it be near to where they landed when they arrived ?
sorry to add another couple of questions .
Magic .
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WYMER - Isaac - (of) Pukekohe - farmer - 1933
Lu
The Wymer family are still in Pukekohe ... depending which Isaac they descend from. They are known in the area.
Cheers
KHP :)
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I think it must be my man .I am not up on the geography of NZ , Is Otahuhu where they would of settled and would it be near to where they landed when they arrived ?
Hi Magic
No probs with the questions ... ask anything you wish. :)
Hopefully our BDM site will be up and working again shortly and we can add to / confirm, some of the info given so far.
The ship "FAMENOTH" (rather than "Famenorth"), arrived in Auckland NZ on 15 January 1883 (having departed UK on 25 September 1882).
I can't though, find a published passenger list ... and there's only brief mention of the arrival in newspapers.
Yes, the places "Otahuhu" and "Pukekohe" are in the Auckland region.
KHP may be able to help with some "history" for Pukehohe ?? ;)
Lu
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Mare may be able to help with the Otahuhu Cemetery :) if you would like me to see if there is a headstone to photograph. The name is also familiar to me from South Auckland :) mare
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There are quite a few Wymer brothers.
They went into the farming and cropping sector. One I think became a NZ Champion.
I can PM the addresses to Magic, if they want to snail mail.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Magic
BDM is thankfully now back in business. :)
So, to confirm the following deaths :
1933 - WYMER - Isaac - 74 years (born c. 1859)
1953 - WYMER - Isaac George - 72 years (born c. 1881)
1916 - WYMER - Elizabeth Ann - 58 years (born c. 1858)
Looks like the Isaac you are seeking ? :)
And "Isaac George WYMER" very likely the child born Norfolk 1880 ?
You can view the NZ BDM indexes here > >
http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/
Lu
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Great stuff ... KHP and Mare. :)
I'm thinking that maybe Isaac WYMER (snr.) d. 1933, is buried in the Pukehohe area ? (Wife's burial 1916 at Otahuhu ... but he doesn't appear to be with her ?)
Lu
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Hi Magic
Wow ! There looks to be a number of children born in New Zealand to Isaac and Elizabeth Ann. ;)
I'll need to take a closer look at these entries ... there is some confusion with Isaac George ... who also married and "Elizabeth".
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Born New Zealand :
WYMER
1884 - Daisy Louisa
1885 - Henry Benjamin
1887 - Winifred Eliza
1888 - Vergie Adaleine - died 1889 aged 9 months :'(
1891 - Alice May
1893 - Mabel
1894 - Chrystabel - d. 1894 aged 4 weeks :'(
1897 - James Francis
1899 - Dora
1902 - Clarice Bertha
Parents: Elizabeth Ann and Isaac WYMER
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Hi again Magic
I think perhaps that Isaac WYMER (b. 1859), had another marriage following the death of Elizabeth Ann in 1916. ???
NZ Marriage
Isaac WYMER - Margaret Isabel TYRRELL - 1917
Margaret Isabel WYMER died in 1967 aged 89 years (bc 1878).
A probate file is held at Archives NZ (Auckland) for > >
WYMER - Margaret Isabel - widow - Buckland ex Pukekohe - 1968
(* Pukehohe was also the address shown on probate file for Isaac WYMER d. 1933) :
[Have only found deaths in NZ for two persons named Isaac WYMER - those named previously].
Lu
Edit : Amended to show marriage was in New Zealand !
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Great stuff ... KHP and Mare. :)
I'm thinking that maybe Isaac WYMER (snr.) d. 1933, is buried in the Pukehohe area ? (Wife's burial 1916 at Otahuhu ... but he doesn't appear to be with her ?)
Lu
Both Isaac's are at Pukekohe. Will have a look for graves :)
Cheers
KHP :)
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A little bit of information:
Daisy (Parent Isaac) attended Avondale School 16 March 1899 and left 11 Oct 1899 at the time living in Rosebank Road, birth date recorded as 5 January 1884
Alice (parent Isaac) attended Avondale school 25 August 1896 and left 24 June 1904....... left the district ..... at the time address was Avondale Flat, birth date recorded as 18 April 1891. Appears on the Franklin Roll as living in Runciman as a Spinster
Mabel (Parent Isaac) attended Avondale School 5 July 1899 left 24 June 1904 for England. At the time living at Avondale, birth date recorded as 10 Oct 1892
Cheers
KHP :)
Edited: I have crossed out ... as it looks like there was another Alice
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Margaret Isabel WYMER died in 1967 aged 89 years (bc 1878).
Lu
Also in Pukekohe cemetery, will add that to the list. Getting the death notice, will enlighten more about family as well.
There are a few others buried at Pukekohe as well.
Cheers
KHP :)
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Clarice attended Puni School (near Pukekohe) 6 July 1915. :)
Cheers
KHP
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Beaut. work KHP. :)
Yes, the 1933 death record for Isaac WYMER should contain helpful information.
And there is also the probate file for him, held at Archives NZ Auckland.
I'm just going through the marriages for the daughters ... will post info shortly ... but maybe some of them are also buried at Pukekohe ??
Lu
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James Francis (Parent Isaac) attended Avondale School 3 Feb 1903 and left 21 June 1904 for Yarmouth. At the time living at Rosebank Rd, his birth date is recorded as 16 December 1896.
There appears to be a Divorce File at Archives
Cheers
KHP :)
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NZ Marriages
Alice May WYMER - Cyril Oswald SAUNDERS - 1913
Clarice Bertha WYMER - Arthur Norman LUCAS - 1921
Daisy Louisa WYMER - John BLAND - 1916
Dora WYMER - Thomas BURNS - 1920
Mabel WYMER - Ernest GEORGE - 1915
Winifred Eliza WYMER - Samuel John MURRAY - 1914
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Alice (parent Isaac) attended Avondale school 25 August 1896 and left 18 April 1891....... left the district ..... at the time address was Avondale Flat, birth date recorded as 18 April 1891. Appears on the Franklin Roll as living in Runciman as a Spinster
Bit of confusion here ...... this is plain Alice and not Alice May
Alice May married, one remained single so this Alice must belong to the other Isaac?
Cheers
KHP
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Marriages
Henry Benjamin WYMER - Agnes HANNAGAN - 1909
James Francis WYMER - Marion Craig MEARNS - 1918
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Yes, there's a divorce record for James Francis. Seems there was a second marriage for him too?
Cemetery Record
WYMER - James Francis - 81 years - died 1978
Cremation record - Hamilton Park Cemetery
(Second wife "Dorothy" - record at same cemetery).
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Alice (parent Isaac) attended Avondale school 25 August 1896 and left 18 April 1891....... left the district ..... at the time address was Avondale Flat, birth date recorded as 18 April 1891.
Appears on the Franklin Roll as living in Runciman as a Spinster
Bit of confusion here ...... this is plain Alice and not Alice May
Alice May married, one remained single so this Alice must belong to the other Isaac?
Cheers
KHP
Mmm ... when is Alice showing on the "Franklin Roll" - what year ??
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"Alice May" is the child born 1891 to Elizabeth Ann and Isaac WYMER.
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There's this death. ???
1938 - SAUNDERS - Alice Mary (sic) - 46 years (bc 1892)
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Alice May WYMER - Cyril Oswald SAUNDERS - 1913 Pukekohe Cemetery
Clarice Bertha WYMER - Arthur Norman LUCAS - 1921 Te Awamutu Cemetery
Daisy Louisa WYMER - John BLAND - 1916 Looks like in Waipukurau Cemetery
Dora WYMER - Thomas BURNS - 1920 Pukekohe Cemetery
Mabel WYMER - Ernest GEORGE - 1915 Pukekohe Cemetery Purewa Cemetery :-[
Winifred Eliza WYMER - Samuel John MURRAY - 1914 Pukekohe Cemetery
Will give the years soon
Cheers
KHP
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And ... a probate record at Auckland > >
SAUNDERS - Alice May - married - Glenbrook - 1938
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Alice May
1978 1938 Cryil Oswald Saunders 1945
Clarice Bertha 1978 and Arthur Norman Lucas 1973
Daisy L 1922 nothing for husband
Dora 1963 and Thomas Burns 1968 ..... no cemetery mentioned, but wonder if it could be North Shore, as the NZSG Branch hold a Newspaper clipping
Mabel 1960 nothing for husband
Winifred Eliza 1970 and Samuel John Murray 1946.
Will add the Pukekohe ones to list.
Cheers
KHP :)
Edit Oops, my fault, there were two Alice May Saunders, I inadvertenly put the wrong date.
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Hi KHP
I see that Henry Benjamin WYMER died 1953 ... probate file 1954 (Auckland) shows residence as Glenbrook.
Perhaps he too is at Pukekohe ?
Lu
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Henry Benjamin at Waikumete 1953 and Agnes Purewa 1964.
Mmm ... when is Alice showing on the "Franklin Roll" - what year ??
Just says 1949 Page 288. Because there is no middle name, could there be another Alice? or one and the same?
Cheers
KHP
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Its a tad annoying when schools sometimes only record the first name and not the second, but usually with the date of birth, you can be sure that you just about have the right person .... thats what I have found in the past.
Cheers
KHP
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Just something else I found to do with the war.
There is a George and Arthur Wymer on this site:
http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/cenotaph/locations.aspx
I have no idea the connection or where they fit in ..... but they were living in Rosedale Road
Henry Benjamin and Isaac George Wymer were listed as 2nd Reservists WW1 and classed as having 3 Children.
Cheers
KHP
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Lu,
I think I have solved the mystery for the Alice that was listed on the Franklin Rolls and listed as spinster.
There is a death at Manukau Memorial Gardens for a Alice Weymer 1986 aged 83, which makes birth about 1902/1903.
Probably because I didn't spot it, I was spelling the surname wrong . :-[ :-[ :-[
I also found another entry for Alice for Avondale school admission 1 Sept 1913 ....
Cheers
KHP
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Mystery solved. Cool ! :)
Yes ... I'd spotted the George and Arthur WYMER on WWI list, earlier.
Their father was Enoch WYMER.
NZ Death
1949 - WYMER - Enoch - 79 years (bc 1870)
Seems he may be same chap as on 1881 UK census, living in Norfolk with parents Robert and Caroline ?
There's a UK birth (Norfolk) also for "Arthur Enoch WYMER - 1897" who seems to be the Arthur WYMER serving in NZ Forces WW1 ?
Added: Also UK (Norfolk) birth for George Robert WYMER (March 1896) - NZ Death = 1959 aged 63 years = bc 1896 :
Lu
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On the BDM site, Miss Alice Wymer's date of birth is listed as 4 December 1904. Can't seem to find parents.
Cheers
KHP :)
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On the BDM site, Miss Alice Wymer's date of birth is listed as 4 December 1904. Can't seem to find parents.
Cheers
KHP :)
Hi KHP
I have a feeling (still investigating), that "Miss Alice - dob 1904" may have been a daughter of Enoch WYMER ? There is also a "mysterious" Ellen WYMER - bc 1899 - who is maybe a sister of Alice ?
Lu
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Ah ... sorted.
Enoch WYMER and family, (London to Wellington) arrived 1913.
Alice born 1903 / Ellen born 1899/ Enoch born 1870 ...etc.
Added : Enoch's wife not listed by name (or initial) on the passenger list. (Female b. 1870) ?
UK Marriage
DEC - 1889
WYMER - Enoch
HARRIS - Sarah Elizabeth ?
READ - Harriet ?
Death - NZ : 1945 - Sarah Elizabeth WYMER - 77 years (bc 1868)
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That is great. These ancestors sure do like to keep us on our toes with research ;D
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Depending on weather I will nip along to the cemetery tomorrow, take photos, get dates of death for death notices, which will hopefully give some new twigs for Magic to add to tree.
Cheers
KHP :)
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:)
Seems to be a connection between these two WYMER families (Rosebank Road in school records / Rosebank, Avondale on the War records). ?
Possibly Enoch is the younger brother of Isaac WYMER ?
It's such an unusal name - not a great many listed on UK records ... and those in NZ appear to descend from Isaac and Enoch ?
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Hello again Magic
Have you looked at the 1881 UK census ... for Isaac ?
He's living in Norfolk with wife Elizabeth and baby Isaac (9 months) ... and surprise ... there is also a daughter recorded as "Harriet F. - aged 4 years". ;)
Without being able to view the passenger list of the "Famnoth - 1883", it's diffcult to know the children who accompanied Isaac and Elizabeth Ann.
I think I have found Harriet in New Zealand - a death recorded in 1890 - aged 13 years. I suspect too, that there was also another daughter born to this couple before they left England ?
Still investigating. :)
Lu
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:)
Seems to be a connection between these two WYMER families (Rosebank Road in school records / Rosebank, Avondale on the War records). ?
Possibly Enoch is the younger brother of Isaac WYMER ?
It's such an unusal name - not a great many listed on UK records ... and those in NZ appear to descend from Isaac and Enoch ?
I was wondering about the connection as well, especially living in the same area.
Never come across the name Enoch before.
He died 6 November 1949 buried at Hillsborough.
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/cemeteries/cemetery.html
Cheers
KHP :)
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Sarah Elizabeth Wymer died 9 May 1945 and at the above cemetery.
Cheers
KHP :)
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"Enoch" (Heb.) - dedicated, skilled. (Not many Enoch's about ... I can only think of Enoch POWELL, the rather controversial UK politician). :D
Hmmm ... now just need to find burial for "Harriet WYMER - 13 yrs. d. 1890.
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"Enoch" (Heb.) - dedicated, skilled. (Not many Enoch's about ... I can only think of Enoch POWELL, the rather controversial UK politician). :D
Hmmm ... now just need to find burial for "Harriet WYMER - 13 yrs. d. 1890.
Can not see a record of her burial.
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The only thing I could find on a Harriet was:
Harriet Sarah Wymer attended Tauhoa Rodney School on the 17 September 1883. No leaving date. Birth date was recorded as 13 January 1878. Parent was listed as Mr Wymer.
Cheers
KHP :)
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So a possibility could be that she could be buried North of Auckland.
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The only thing I could find on a Harriet was:
Harriet Sarah Wymer attended Tauhoa Rodney School on the 17 September 1883. No leaving date. Birth date was recorded as 13 January 1878. Parent was listed as Mr Wymer.
Cheers
KHP :)
Thanks KHP ... "Harriet Sarah" is EXACTLY who I was looking for. :)
(Just having the second name "Sarah", confirms some other info I'd found). Beaut !
Lu
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So a possibility could be that she could be buried North of Auckland.
Hmm ... I wonder if Harriet Sarah was buried with either or both of her baby sisters (unmarked plot - not recorded on cemetery records) ?
(Her death - 1890 - has her recorded only as "Harriet WYMER - 13 years).
Sisters > >
Vergie Adaleine WYMER - died 1889 (9 months)
Chrystabel WYMER - died 1894 - 4 weeks
???
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I was in two minds for that record for Harriet, but the date of birth seemed to fit with the death year.
Only one person buried at Rodney at that is for Robert Benjamin Wymer. There was no death year for him.
No record for Vergie or Chrystabel either ???
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Hi Magic
Earlier in the thread, I posted a reference for the marriage of Isaac WYMER and Elizabeth Ann ... either FRANKSMAN or FRANSHAM - DEC 1879.
I now think the surname was more likely to be FRANSHAM.
There 's a birth registered Blofield, JUNE - 1857 - FRANSHAM - Ann Elizabeth ?
(On the NZ birth registration for one of her children, Elizabeth's name is also shown as "Ann Elizabeth").
However, this FRANSHAM surname, now takes me back to the child "Harrriet F. - aged 4" in the 1881 census.
see following post > > >
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FRANSHAM .. cont'd.
Hi Magic ... as you can see, Isaac and Elizabeth Ann, did not marry until 1879 ... and yet, in the 1881 census, they have a daughter Harriet F. aged 4 (bc 1877).
I couldn't see a UK birth for a Harriet F. (or Harriet) WYMER.
There is however the following > >
BIRTHS - MAR - 1877
FRANSHAM - Harriet Sarah - reg'd. Blofield ?
[So birth registered in her mother's maiden name ?]
I think the letter "F" next to her christian name on the census record, may well represent "F for FRANSHAM" ???
And it is helpful that KHP has found this NZ school record listing for Harriet Sarah WYMER b. 1878. (1878 is obviously a year out ... but there are lots of wee errors on these school entries especially in relation to birthdates.)
Lu
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I was in two minds for that record for Harriet, but the date of birth seemed to fit with the death year.
No record for Vergie or Chrystabel either ???
Cheers for that ... ah well, never mind. :)
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WOW ........ ;D A BIG THANK-YOU TO YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK .
very interesting will add all this to my tree .can't believe you found so much out .The Wymers are a big part of my tree . Many Thanks once again . Magic
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James francis (Parent Isaac) attended Avondale School 3 Feb 1903 and left 21 June 1904 for Yarmouth. At the time living at Rosebank Rd, his birth date is recorded as 16 December 1896.
There appears to be a Divorce File at Archives
Cheers
KHP :)
Well i never , thats a small world thats near to where i live .!!! If you mean the uk ?
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Alice May Wymer was my Great Grandmother. I have information pertaining to the Wymers dating back to Jacob b 1743, and some but unfortunately not as much on the Fransham family.
If you require any information let me know.
If there is any delay it is because I am now living in the UK. (We are currently 13 hours behind).
Regards
fantasmoo
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James francis (Parent Isaac) attended Avondale School 3 Feb 1903 and left 21 June 1904 for Yarmouth. At the time living at Rosebank Rd, his birth date is recorded as 16 December 1896.
There appears to be a Divorce File at Archives
Cheers
KHP :)
Well i never , thats a small world thats near to where i live .!!! If you mean the uk ?
I am presuming so, the teacher hadn't written anything down after the word Yarmouth.
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Did some digging ,
now got them on a 1901 cences . i' think . :-\
Enoch Wymer age 30 .carpenter
Sarah E age 31
Hilda age 7,
George age 5,
Arthur age 3 ,
Ellen age 1
Flegg Norfolk .
hope this is right if not hope it doest confuse things . magic
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Alice May Wymer was my Great Grandmother. I have information pertaining to the Wymers dating back to Jacob b 1743, and some but unfortunately not as much on the Fransham family.
If you require any information let me know.
If there is any delay it is because I am now living in the UK. (We are currently 13 hours behind).
Regards
fantasmoo
Hi Fantasmoo,
Welcome to Rootschat. I am sure Magic would welcome any additional information you have. :D
You just need two more posts before you can use the Personal Message (the little scroll) system and pass details of the living to Magic :)
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks for the tip KHP. :D
Regards
fantasmoo
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Hi all :D
In case you haven't read back, I have done two corrections to Replies 30 and 32.
Mabel George I thought was buried in Pukekohe, when in fact it is Purewa
Alice May Saunders .... there were two and what I must have done was taken a digit from each and come up with 1978 :-[ :-[ :-[
My Apologies :-[
I haven't been to the cemetery yet, but did manage to find these.
Dora Burns (nee Wymer) died 20 Jul 1968 buried 22 Jul 1968. Residence 16 Paerata Rd, Pukekohe. Religion Wesleyan.
Cyril Oswald Saunders died 11 Oct 1945 buried 13 Oct 1945. Farmer of Glenbrook. Religion Wesleyan.
Alice May Saunders (nee Wymer) died 01 Sept 1938 buried 03 Sept 1938. Residence Glenbrook. Religion Wesleyan.
Isaac Wymer died 17 Nov 1933 buried 19 Nov 1933. Retired Farmer. Residence Kitchener Road. Religion Presbyterian.
Margaret Isabell Wymer died 17 Dec 1967 buried 19 December 1967. Residence Pukekohe. Religion Presbyterian.
Isaac George Wymer died 14 March 1953 buried 17 March 1953. Dairy Farmer. Residence Mission Bay. Religion Presbyterian.
Winifred Eliza (nee Wymer) Murray died 15 Jan 1970 buried 16 Jan 1970. Residence Puni. Religion Presbyterian.
Samuel John Murray died 13 Aug 1946 buried 15 Aug 1946. Farmer. Residence Puni. Religion Presbyterian.
It will be next week until I can do look ups for Death Notices ..... but if you have the time Lu, go ahead. :D
Cheers
KHP
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Thankyou Kiwihalfpint you are a star .....along with Lu .....
many thanks to you both . magic
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James francis (Parent Isaac) attended Avondale School 3 Feb 1903 and left 21 June 1904 for Yarmouth. At the time living at Rosebank Rd, his birth date is recorded as 16 December 1896.
Cheers
KHP :)
Well i never , thats a small world thats near to where i live .!!! If you mean the uk ?
I am presuming so, the teacher hadn't written anything down after the word Yarmouth.
Hi
Hmm ... I really think this "Yarmouth" is an error. ??
James Francis is after all, only a wee chap in 1903-04 ... and hardly likely to be undertaking travel to far away places ?
I'd put "my money" on Weymouth - Auckland, being the place he moved to. ;)
Lu
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Think what I put down for Dora Burns dying in 1963 Reply 32, could be a transcription typo ???
Think I have found Thomas Burns aged 64 died 1958 buried Pukekohe.
Mabel George died 18 Jun 1960 cremation Purewa 21 June 1960
Ernest George no death date but cremation 19 March 1968 Purewa.
Cheers
KHP
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I'd put "my money" on Weymouth - Auckland, being the place he moved to.
Oops, that never crossed my mind ;D ;D
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Weymouth sounds good Lu ;) mare
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Cheers Mare. :)
Yes, I suspect the person who made the entry in the school records in 1904, just got the ".... mouths" mixed up ? ;D
Lu
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but didn't it say on the other kids leaving cert, England ?
"Mabel (Parent Isaac) attended Avondale School 5 July 1899 left 24 June 1904 for England. At the time living at Avondale, birth date recorded as 10 Oct 1892"
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I have just been having another look at that M2 and thats what it says exactly.
Enquiries can be made to the Waitakere Branch of the NZSG.
Cheers
KHP
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Maybe he did ..... this is the only other entry I have spotted.
Jas Francis Wymer admitted to Papatoetoe Central School 8 November 1909, living then at Sylvia Park, Otahuhu, birth date 16 Decmeber 1896, last school Otahuhu
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Certainly more recently, in my memory, there was a connected family living at Weymouth, hence the reason for my little contribution
Weymouth sounds good Lu ;) mare
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Certainly more recently, in my memory, there was a connected family living at Weymouth, hence the reason for my little contribution Weymouth sounds good Lu ;) mare
That latest schooling for James enquiries can be made at the Papatoetoe Branch.
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but didn't it say on the other kids leaving cert, England ?
"Mabel (Parent Isaac) attended Avondale School 5 July 1899 left 24 June 1904 for England. At the time living at Avondale, birth date recorded as 10 Oct 1892"
Well spotted Mk_2 ! :)
Hmm ... I'm sure all I saw earlier, was "Yarmouth" ... because it had been highlighted. ??? Completely missed the "England" bit ... but then the info was being posted so thick and fast. :D :D
* Wouldn't this family, if they did indeed return to England for a time, be shown on a passenger list returning to Noo Zild ???
Lu
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but then the info was being posted so thick and fast
Doesn't help with not having the red notice warning ..... you post, then find that there are new posts beforehand that snuck in :D
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Alice May Wymer was my Great Grandmother. I have information pertaining to the Wymers dating back to Jacob b 1743, and some but unfortunately not as much on the Fransham family.
Hi fantasmoo
... and welcome. :)
I'm sure somebody here at RootsChat (more especially someone in the UK), will be able to assist with finding additional information for the FRANSHAM family.
Perhaps placing a request for census look-ups in Norfolk might prove helpful ?
Lu
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Hi,
Had a few of my own and other RCers death notices to get .....
but I did get the two Isaac's.
Isaac Wymer died at his late residence which was Kitchner Rd, Pukekohe. His service was the next day, which was Sunday the 19th leaving his late residence for a 2pm service at the cemetery
Isaac George Wymer also died at his residence, which was 37 Ronaki Rd, Mission Bay. His service was also the next day, Tuesday 16th, leaving his late residence arriving at the cemetery 12 noon. Father of 5 boys 1 girl.
Will get the rest during the week.
Cheers
KHP
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Without being able to view the passenger list of the "Famnoth - 1883", it's diffcult to know the children who accompanied Isaac and Elizabeth Ann.
I think I have found Harriet in New Zealand - a death recorded in 1890 - aged 13 years. I suspect too, that there was also another daughter born to this couple before they left England ?
After sourcing the marriages of all the other WYMER children, there was just one marriage remaining ... an "Elizabeth WYMER in 1904" ... and I think she also probably belongs "in this family".
NZ Marriage
Elizabeth WYMER - Walter REDSHAW - 1904
Death
1962 - REDSHAW - Elizabeth Anne - 80 years (born c. 1882)
Cemetery Record
Cremation record - Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland
REDSHAW - Elizabeth Anne - d. 19 January 1962
[Also Waikumete - Walter REDSHAW - Tallow Merchant - died 22 August 1969 - 91 years ]
The death record of Isaac WYMER or his wife Elizabeth, should show if they had a daughter born circa 1882.
Lu
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Posssible birth Elizabeth WYMER at FREE BMD ?
BIRTHS - SEPT - 1881
WYMER - Elizabeth .... reg'd. at Blofield
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On the Death Notice, the third child listed was put down as Betty
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Have obtained the death notices and will PM Magic them.
Can someone please look up the notice for M I Wymer 17 December 1967 :)
Cheers
KHP :)
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On the Death Notice, the third child listed was put down as Betty
Ah ... and "Betty" is a diminutive of "Elizabeth". :)
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Can someone please look up the notice for M I Wymer 17 December 1967 :)
Who's M I WYMER ... and where did death occur ?
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Can someone please look up the notice for M I Wymer 17 December 1967 :)
Who's M I WYMER ... and where did death occur ?
Margaret Isabell Wymer - Pukekohe Death --- wife of Isaac.
Its my fault ...... I forgot to include her in the look ups. :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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Born New Zealand :
WYMER
1884 - Daisy Louisa
1885 - Henry Benjamin
1887 - Winifred Eliza
1888 - Vergie Adaleine - died 1889 aged 9 months :'(
1891 - Alice May
1893 - Mabel
1894 - Chrystabel - d. 1894 aged 4 weeks :'(
1897 - James Francis
1899 - Dora
1902 - Clarice Bertha
Parents: Elizabeth Ann and Isaac WYMER
According to Alice May Saunders (nee Wymer) death notice the funeral was leaving the residence of her brother Mr I G Wymer, of Glenbrook
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Maybe though, this Isaac George WYMER was the son of Isaac ?
There is a 22 year age difference between Isaac and Isaac George Wymer, so looks like Isaac George is the son. :D
Re the connection of two Wymer Families in Reply # 44 they could be the one and same family.
Cheers
KHP
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Maybe though, this Isaac George WYMER was the son of Isaac ?
There is a 22 year age difference between Isaac and Isaac George Wymer, so looks like Isaac George is the son. :D
Sorry ... I don't get it. ???
Since the post about a "possible" connection between Isaac and Isaac George, we've already established that they were father and son. [And the 1881 census tends to confirm same.]
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REPLY # 44
Seems to be a connection between these two WYMER families (Rosebank Road in school records / Rosebank, Avondale on the War records). ?
Possibly Enoch is the younger brother of Isaac WYMER ?
It's such an unusal name - not a great many listed on UK records ... and those in NZ appear to descend from Isaac and Enoch ?
Re the connection of two Wymer Families in Reply # 44 they could be the one and same family.
Cheers
KHP
Well ... "fantasmoo" claims to have the history of Alice May WYMER's family ... back to a Jacob in the 1700's ?
Does that history include the names of Alice May's father (Isaac's) parents ???
We already know from the 1881 census that Enoch was living with his parents "Robert and Caroline WYMER".
Really, though it's for these WYMER descendants to work out the connection (birth cert. / marriage cert .... maybe death cert. ... for Isaac WYMER to confirm his parentage.) ?
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I am Norman, the NZ Champion (Ploughing) that you are referring to and we are farming and cropping at Glenbrook. Isaac George Wymer (d. 1953) and Elizabeth Russell (d.1963) were my Grandfather and Grandmother. Isaac (b.1859) was farming on the west side of the Mt Wellington Highway at Otahuhu, Auckland cropping 100 acres of vegetables from 1890 to 1905.
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Welcome to rootschat Plowman,
How fantastic for the people doing this thread :D
How I wish someone from my family would pop up like that ;)
Regards
Leandra
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Hi Plowman,
Welcome to Rootschat.
Only reason I knew the family were still in Glenbrook was we know someone who married into it, but can't give the details here. Once you make 3 posts you can then use the PM (Personal Message) system for private messages.
Very well known families in the district ..... my OH is one :)
Cheers
KHP :)
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A BIG THANKYOU AND HAPPY NEW YEAR .
Magic here , BEEN watching and reading with great interest and adding to my tree .
with a bit of digging myself i have some info to add .
Enoch Carpenter in UK and Sarah had a son Arthur,Arthur born 1897 married Elsie Hewitt born 1898 .
Enoch ,and sarah had George son ,so yes George and Arthur were brothers .
serving for NZ WWI1 .
Also I have a Alice daughter of Enoch ,Sarah on my tree .
ELLEN HARRIS I now know is the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Harris sister ' Emma. and was reg/ in blofield Norfolk by her grandmother at birth ..
Enoch 1870 went to NZ, (son of Robert and Caroline ) with wife Sarah daughters Alice, Ellen Harris,Jack ,William ,.they left London on the 5th Aug 1913.aboard The Waimana . I dont have anything on Jack or William .
I dont have a Margaret Isabel Wymer 1878 on my tree was she married ?and born in the UK ?
I hope This is helping to the jigsaw .because it seems to be coming together nicely .....
Sorry about more question's .....but it a great help
Thankyou Magic
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Hello Plowman,
Thankyou for your post .This is Magic .
My Great Grandfather was brother to your Isaac Wymer 1859.
I hope you have enjoyed reading the posts as much as I have .
I have also found some Wymers in Australia .
Happy Searching Magic
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I dont have a Margaret Isabel Wymer 1878 on my tree was she married ?and born in the UK ?
I hope This is helping to the jigsaw .because it seems to be coming together nicely .....
Sorry about more question's .....but it a great help
Thankyou Magic
Hi Magic
If you go back to Reply # 17, you'll see where Margaret Isabel fits into the picture.
She does not appear to have been born in New Zealand.
There is though a likely possible birth on FREE BMD (UK)? ???
BIRTHS - SEPT - 1878
TYRRELL - Margaret Isabel
Registered - Abingdon
Lu
PS ... Welcome to Plowman :)
Edit: "Possible" substituted for "likely" - so as to eliminate any confusion.
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Enoch 1870 went to NZ, (son of Robert and Caroline ) with wife Sarah daughters Alice, Ellen Harris,Jack ,William ,.they left London on the 5th Aug 1913.aboard The Waimana . I dont have anything on Jack or William .
The following are possibly the (NZ) deaths of Jack (John?) and William WYMER. ???
1970 - WYMER - John Henry - aged 66 years (bc 1904)
1978 - WYMER - William - d.o.b. 9 July 1907
Lu
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1970 - WYMER - John Henry - aged 66 years (bc 1904)
Purewa Cemetery - 30 April
http://www.purewa.co.nz/search.asp
1978 - WYMER - William - d.o.b. 9 July 1907
Mangere Cemetery
Cheers
KHP
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Marriage for John Henry Wymer to Dorothy May Riley 1928
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
There is also a Probate for John Henry Wymer
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
Dorothy May Wymer also at Purewa.
Cheers
KHP
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1970 - WYMER - John Henry - aged 66 years (bc 1904)
1978 - WYMER - William - d.o.b. 9 July 1907
Possible birth ?? (FREE BMD)
BIRTHS - SEPT - 1907
WYMER - William
Registered at Flegg (Norfolk)
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Enoch a younger brother of Isaac Snr. (d.1949) sawmilled at Mamaku between Hamilton and Rotorua in New Zealand.
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There is though a likely birth on FREE BMD (UK)
BIRTHS - SEPT - 1878
TYRRELL - Margaret Isabel
Registered - Abingdon
Sorry getting back to Margaret can't understand Abington it doesnt tie in with flegg/ blofield Norfolk where they originally came from ?
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Sorry getting back to Margaret can't understand Abington it doesnt tie in with flegg/ blofield Norfolk where they originally came from ?
Hi magic
I'm afraid I don't understand why you think Margaret should also have been a native of Norfolk ?
Lu
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just Looking at the post Margaret Isabell Terrell......
Though it is likely birth bmd (UK)
birth Sept 1878, sorry getting a bit confused here .
have i got this right....... sorry.....Margaret may of been Issac second wife so would of meet her there maybe ...As you see not too good at this that's why i need all the help i can get ;D
thankyou one and all ..
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Hi magic
Yes, as previously mentioned (somewhere in this thread), Isaac WYMER appears to have married for a second time, following the death of Elizabeth Ann in 1916.
This marriage took place in New Zealand in 1917.
The bride's name was Margaret Isabel TYRRELL ... (not Terrell !! ).
If you are wanting further information about Margaret (to confirm her birthplace etc.) ... or as confirmation that it is the same Isaac WYMER you have an interest in, then you would need to purchase a printout of the marriage record.
I've only mentioned the the birth - SEPT 1878 - Margaret Isabel TYRRELL - reg'd. Abingdon - as a possibility.
Lu
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Interesred in Margaret Isabel Tyrrell and when she came to new Zealand and where she landed.
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Sorry I spelt one of the names wrong. It is Margaret Isobel Tyrrell born 2 Aug 1878 District Sutton Courtney
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Hi all, I can tell you all about the Fransham families in NZ. They come mainly from around the Halvergate area in Norfolk and Elizabeth Ann was the 10th child of 12of parents Daniel & Sarah Fransham. Tunstall, Norfolk of whom 4 came to NZ, of which my g/grandfather Benjamin was the youngest. Elizabeth Ann m. Isacc Wymer 11th Nov.1879. Moulten Norfolk and altogether had 14 children. All the families settled in the Albertland district of northland, now known as Rodney.Three of the families then bought small farms in Avondale. Auckland, around the 1890's
and from there 2 went south, Ben to Whitford and Elizabeth, Manurewa. The brother John died at Avondale 01/08/1916 the same year as Elizabeth.Their elder sister Eliza was married to Edward Browne (another halvergate family)He died as Chairman of the Rodney county in 1892 and that family of 12 is another story.
Ben had 13 children(14 altogether) I can name all the children of the families if required. Cheers Marky42
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Hi longorgan & Marky42 :)
Welcome to Rootschat. I am not a member of this family, just a volunteer helping with information.
Interesred in Margaret Isabel Tyrrell and when she came to new Zealand and where she landed.
Longorgan, I can only suggest at the moment, purchasing the death certificate, as this will tell you how long she was in NZ. Reply #17 states the death date.
Hopefully, Magicnanny and Fantasmoo have had notification of this thread, and will reply.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi ya, My names Amber Wymer and im looking for info on my family tree, i dont know my father but know his name is Kevin Russel Wymer and his mother is Winifred Wymer. Does anyone have a family tree they are in or some genoral info, there are not many wymers in new zealand so im assuming we are all related down the track some where
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Hello Amber,
Magicnanny here . MY mother was a Wymer .
I have a lot of info on the Wymer's with some grateful help from Roots .
On my Wymer tree I have Winifred Eliza Wymer who is the daughter of Isaac Wymer 1859 & Elizabeth Fransham 1857. Her dearth 1970 Puni NZ .
Married to Samuel Murrey 1887 . Maybe this is your Winifred is there a connection ?.
MAGIGNANNY
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Welcome to Rootschat Amberj13. ;D
In case it helps, Winifred Eliza Wymer married Samuel John Murray on 28 Oct 1914.
John B
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Hi everyone thanks for the fast reply, this is not the same Winifred as she married into the Wymer's, All i know is that her husband was a police officer and one of there sons was as well. Her husband died and my father was sent to Dilworth which is a bording school in Auckland for boys with no father.
Thanks Amber ;)
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Hi Amber,
Welcome to Rootschat. Yes you are right, not many Wymers around.
Been a while since this thread was active, so have not had a good look back.. Have you read the whole thread? Winifred is listed as one of the children in Reply # 16. The marriage year and the death years are there.
I did offer to go to the cemetery and look for headstones for the ones in Pukekohe.
Cheers
KHP
Oops: Sorry wrong Winifred
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Welcome to Rootschat Amberj13. ;D
In case it helps, Winifred Eliza Wymer married Samuel John Murray on 28 Oct 1914.
John B
Mentioned in Reply #24[/s]
Mix up with wrong Winifred.
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Amber,
You say your father and his mother "is", so I take it are still alive? If your father was born in the last 54 years, then we won't be able to help you to who his fathers parents were, as these details are not available.
Maybe trying the white pages, and getting in touch that way.
Cheers
KHP
PS It is against Rootschat rules to have names of the living posted.
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Hi, sorry i wasnt aware of that, i dont want to contact them, i want info on my family tree and was looking for a link in someone elses family tree, have have dated back my mothers side to 1770's and now want to do the Wymer side, not interested in contacting my father.
Thanks
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....in case it helps ...the 'National Library of NZ' (Auckland) has an 'Ask a Librarian' service (on-line) ...they will check their many records including electoral rolls (past & present) and newspaper death notices. ...Valerie (WAus)
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Hi, sorry i wasnt aware of that, i dont want to contact them, i want info on my family tree and was looking for a link in someone elses family tree, have have dated back my mothers side to 1770's and now want to do the Wymer side, not interested in contacting my father.
Thanks
Ambly, didn't think you were. I only suggested the white pages, as maybe contacting the Wymers you might find your link, not get in touch with your father.
Do you have the marriage certificate of Winifred, as this will have the names of her husbands parents then we can go from there.
Cheers
KHP
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If anybody requires information on the Fransham family of Norfolk, I may be able to help! Elizabeth Ann Fransham's parents were Daniel Fransham (1815-1888) and Sarah Harding (1818-1883). The were married in 1837 and produced thirteen children in all.
I have details of the children (siblings of Elizabeth Ann) and indeed some of their offspring.
Daniel Fransham's father was Jeremiah Fransham (1788-1866), my great x4 Grandfather.
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Hi there,
James Francis Wymer was my mother's Dad (my grand father). I have just been reading this whole thread, and can possibly throw quite a bit of light on some of the questions you are having.
One thing : James never went back to Yarmouth (at least not at that stage). His father was considering going back, but instead they moved from Avondale out to the farm called "Sylvia Park" (I have a picture here of the old house they moved to). [Sylvia Park is now the name of a leage shopping centre in Auckland, and I think it sits where the farm was - see http://www.sylviapark.org/centre-information ]
Drop me a line. My mother knows much more that I do - I can put you in contact.
Kind regards, Bruce. Rotorua. New Zealand.
James francis (Parent Isaac) attended Avondale School 3 Feb 1903 and left 21 June 1904 for Yarmouth. At the time living at Rosebank Rd, his birth date is recorded as 16 December 1896.
There appears to be a Divorce File at Archives
Cheers
KHP :)
Well i never , thats a small world thats near to where i live .!!! If you mean the uk ?
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Here is the photo I mentioned of Sylvia Park house where Wymer family lived.
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Hi Bruce,
Welcome to Rootschat. Been a while since this file was active, so had to refresh my memory. In Reply # 62 it was suggested that "Yarmouth" should actually read as "Weymouth".
Yarmouth is obviously an transcription area when the records were being transcribed.
What a lovely homestead.
Cheers
KHP
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hi everyone, just reading about the wymers -enock, arthur, george & alice
just wondering if this is anyones relatives as alice is my great grandmother and enock is my great great grandfather, arthur & george are alices brothers.
I have my grandmother here and we have been talking about her side of the family she is alices daughter, so i thought i would google the names and came across this chat.
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Seems to be a connection between these two WYMER families (Rosebank Road in school records / Rosebank, Avondale on the War records). ?
Possibly Enoch is the younger brother of Isaac WYMER ?
It's such an unusal name - not a great many listed on UK records ... and those in NZ appear to descend from Isaac and Enoch ?
you are correct i have alice's daughter here with me tonight, i have photos of enoch, sarah, alice i also have one of enochs parents, robert and caroline, are you related to these people as i am
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Hi Christine
Welcome to Rootschat. Been a long time since this thread was started and been active.
The Wymer's aren't related to me, I am one of the many volunteers on here who have helped the Original Poster with information.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi' I started the originally topic on the Wymers ,Please feel free to message me if I can help with any thing . Magicnanny
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Christine needs one more post on here before she can access the PM system to exchange email addresses or information.
Cheers
KHP
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well if there is anything you would like to find out that you havnt already i may be able to help.
i have been going through alot of old photo's with my grandmother so im getting a pretty clear picture of
enochs family, i have just started putting together my family tree as i thought it would be alot easier while my nana is here to help. so where abouts do you fit into the wymer chain?? i couldnt believe it when i put in enochs name on google and found all these forums chatting about nana's family. lol
Thanks
chrissy
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Hi' My Gt Grandfather was brother to Isaac Wymer . His name was Jacob Wymer .
I still live very close by to where they all came from before going to NZ.
Isaac was named on the head stone (as erracted by Isaac Wymer NZ son of Robert ) of his father as he must of paid & arranged it .
This is how I know some of the family went there .
Magicnanny
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marky43 Isaac Wymer and Elizabeth Fransham are my Greatgrandparents whom I have photos of. Their youngest daughter, Clarice Bertha, was my Grandmother who married Arthur Norman Lucas. I would love to share information/photos.
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well if there is anything you would like to find out that you havnt already i may be able to help.
i have been going through alot of old photo's with my grandmother so im getting a pretty clear picture of
enochs family, i have just started putting together my family tree as i thought it would be alot easier while my nana is here to help. so where abouts do you fit into the wymer chain?? i couldnt believe it when i put in enochs name on google and found all these forums chatting about nana's family. lol
Thanks ChristineH2 Isaac Wymer and Elizabeth Fransham are my Great Grand Parents. Their youngest daughter, Clarice Bertha. was my grandmother. i have photos and data to share.
chrissy
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Hi' My Gt Grandfather was brother to Isaac Wymer . His name was Jacob Wymer .
I still live very close by to where they all came from before going to NZ.
Isaac was named on the head stone (as erracted by Isaac Wymer NZ son of Robert ) of his father as he must of paid & arranged it .
This is how I know some of the family went there .
Magicnanny
Hello MagicNanny. I am Isaac Wymer's GreatGrand-daughter. I have photo/data/family information to share.
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Not sure if this helps but
Enoch Wymer was my Great Great Grandfather
One of his sons was Arthur Enoch Wymer and he served in WWI with his brother George.
Arthur had 8 children I think. One of them being my Grandmother Dorothy Elizabeth Wymer.
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Hi. Arthur Enoch Wymer was my grandfather and Dorothy is my aunt. My mother is Elsie. I would love some more info about this branch of the Wymer family.
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Hi Wensr and Gambit489, and welcome to RootsChat. ;D
I'm sure Magicnanny will respond to you soon, but in the meantime I can contribute the 1882 passenger list of the Famenoth to the discussion and a few other tidbits you might find helpful.
The Famenoth arrived at Auckland in January 1883.
http://www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/transport/Famenoth-toNZ.html
Another similar article:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=AS18830115.2.3.3
And those of you researching the WYMER family might be interested in this 2006 post on Genforum:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/wymer/messages/247.html
And there was a diary published, presumably by a passenger:
Famenoth 26.9.1882-15.1.1883. Diary by: Turley, M. M.Whiritoa [N.Z.] :F.O. & M.M. Turley, [1989?]
And the Auckland War Memorial Museum hold papers relating to the BAYES and WYMER families including a shipboard diary written by Joseph BAYES, died 1925.
http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/librarycatalogue/84439.detail
Spades
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Thank you for the info! I will check the links out. :)
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On the BDM site, Miss Alice Wymer's date of birth is listed as 4 December 1904. Can't seem to find parents.
Cheers
KHP :)
Hi,
Alice Wymer is my great grandmother - if I can help or you have any further information relating to the Wymer family tree, I'd love to know :)
Cheers J.
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HI' to you all I would like to say a huge thankyou to everyone who has had some input with this post ,all the help has been great and im still getting reply's to do with the Wymer Family if there is anyone that needs any info with the family please ask i cant know everthing but will try with what i do . Thankyou for all your hard work Rootschat members . Magicnanny
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Hi all I was on here a few years back but had an old email address attached.
My grandmother is June Hinkes her mother is Alice Wymer and her parents are Enoch and Sarah. Enochs. Alice looked after her father until he passed away. Enochs sister Louisa was looked after by my nana till she passed away. My mum called her Aunt Louisa. I have her English birth certificate and Enochs Baptist certificate from England.
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Enoch a younger brother of Isaac Snr. (d.1949) sawmilled at Mamaku between Hamilton and Rotorua in New Zealand.
This is correct it was the Gamming Mill and I have a photo of it :)
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Enoch a younger brother of Isaac Snr. (d.1949) sawmilled at Mamaku between Hamilton and Rotorua in New Zealand.
This is correct it was the Gamming Mill and I have a photo of it :)
Hi,
My granddad is Percy Wymer (Enoch's grandson, Alice's son and June's brother). Percy was born in Mamaku in 1921.
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Seems to be a connection between these two WYMER families (Rosebank Road in school records / Rosebank, Avondale on the War records). ?
Possibly Enoch is the younger brother of Isaac WYMER ?
It's such an unusal name - not a great many listed on UK records ... and those in NZ appear to descend from Isaac and Enoch ?
I was wondering about the connection as well, especially living in the same area.
Never come across the name Enoch before.
He died 6 November 1949 buried at Hillsborough.
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/cemeteries/cemetery.html
Cheers
KHP :)
Yes that sounds about right for Enoch - my grandmother (Enoch is her Grandfather) mentioned he was buried at Hillsborough and the dates sound about right
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Alice (parent Isaac) attended Avondale school 25 August 1896 and left 18 April 1891....... left the district ..... at the time address was Avondale Flat, birth date recorded as 18 April 1891.
Appears on the Franklin Roll as living in Runciman as a Spinster
Bit of confusion here ...... this is plain Alice and not Alice May
Alice May married, one remained single so this Alice must belong to the other Isaac?
Cheers
KHP
Mmm ... when is Alice showing on the "Franklin Roll" - what year ??
Plain Alice - my great grandmother was never married and had 2 children Percy and June. Alice's father was Enoch she was the 5th child of seven. She was born at Great Yarmouth England on December 4th 1902. When she was 4 the family emigrated to Nz on the ship Waimana in 1906. They came to Auckland and shortly afterwards moved to Mamaku where her father (Enoch sub-contracted to Gammins Mill. She moved back to Auckland 40+ years before her death and I know she lived at Runciman there was a very old house on the side of the motorway by Drury for years but has since gone. My nana used to show me the house where she lived in many years before.
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Hi ChristineH2,
It's best to refrain from using quotes within quotes. It makes the post it very hard to read and determine what information is new.
Spades
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Hi ChristineH2,
It's best to refrain from using quotes within quotes. It makes the post it very hard to read and determine what information is new.
Spades
ok so how do I post updated information to a post then, or do I just make another post. I have no idea how to use this forum and am fumbling my way through so sorry if I make it harder for anyone to read :)
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Hi ChristineH2,
If you want to add further information to a post that you have seen, instead of quoting just put down see Reply #21 and add your new info.
For new information just start a new post :)
If takes a while to find your way around and we were all newbies once. :)
Cheers
KHP
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Re reply #145. I believe I am a great grandson of Enoch. I know very little of the history. Isaac & Enoch are names I grew up with. I believe my grandfather John Henry Wymer was one of Enochs sons. My grandfather lived and worked at Mamaku. My father Russell Ellis Wymer was born at Mamaku 1930. By the time I arrived (1954) my grandparents were living in Brewery Lane Newmarket behind lion Breweries. I can remember as a small child visiting the house in Runciman. The motorway did not exist in those days. I was to young to remember whose were actually visiting but the description of the house and its location are vivid memories. I would like to know more about Enoch and his descendants. :)
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A little more. Having scrolled thru all of the posts. My understanding while growing was that only two brothers came to NZ. Enoch & Isaac. I always supposed they came together. Obviously this is incorrect. The son Jack could well be my grandfather John Henry who was often called Jack by family. Told he came to NZ aged 8 years. Born 1904 sailed 1913. To close to be otherwise. If I take this as read, and I do, then I now have the foundation of my branch of the Wymers in NZ. Excellent