RODWAY families, London 1800s

[J. Elderfield]

Hello, Nicobar--

Thanks for replying.

As you will have seen from the postings above, James RODWAY & Mary GRIFFITH don't appear to be "my" RODWAYs, but they are in Kanscar's ancestry.

Would you post up a bit about your line of descent from George and his son James?

And, by the way, is there any Charles RODWAY, baker, in your line? Or any connection to "my" RODWAYs above? Or to George & Tryphena GRIFFITHS above? Ever hopeful--

J. Elderfield

[nicobar]

Did you know that the Mary of  Mary and James Rodway was a Griffiths?

[J. Elderfield]

....Have you done any research forward in time about Mary GRIFFITHS' family? I have a RODWAY / GRIFFITHS connection in the early 19th century.

The GRIFFITHS associated with my RODWAYs are George and Tryphena GRIFFITHS of Collerston Rd, Greenwich, in 1901. George is a "Slater", born Peckham around 1865. 

His parents appear to be Matilda and George GRIFFITHS sr. (also a Slater, also born Peckham, around 1833).

Do you know anything of them?....

Oh dear, got my years and centuries mixed up again. I meant "early 1900s" OR "early 20th century". Sorry for the confusion.

J. Elderfield

[nicobar]

Hello J Elderfield
   James (b1847) was the 2nd son of George Rodway.He married a Hannah Harriett Briggs in 1870.
They had 4 boys ,George ,James , John and Edward (b 1873) my granfather.
        Nicobar

[J. Elderfield]

Ah, yes, these would be the RODWAYs at 32 Lee Street, Tower Hamlets, St. Leonard Shoreditch in 1851, with Father George, 45, a Fancy Cabinet Finisher. James is aged 4.

Then in 1861, the family is at 16 Dorchester St., with James, aged 14, an apprentice to a Pocket-book Maker.

So your RODWAYs are in the same tree as Kanscar's. But perhaps, far enough back, my RODWAYs and yours/Kanscar's might be connected?

Thanks for posting, and congratulations on your research to date. Let us know if you make further progress back in time, or wider in geography.

JE

[J. Elderfield]

In searching for my RODWAYs in Greater London, England, I have come across several other RODWAY families, who may or may not be related.

I have census and other details for James & Mary RODWAY, of St. Leonard's Shoreditch, and some of their children.
Another family is Samuel & Mary RODWAY, and their son Samuel jr., of Finsbury / Clerkenwell.
These two families seem to have been in the furniture-making and finishing business. ...

Here's something that caught my eye:
In the 1841 census for Clerkenwell, Finsbury, London, Samuel RODWAY, 40, Cabinet Maker, and family live in Noble Street. 
Just down Noble street lives William DE BAR, 29, Coach Maker, and his family.

Now, William DE BAR's daughter Elizabeth (born 1844) grows up to marry a James John RODWAY of my family. The earliest progenitor that I know of in my family is James RODWAY, having children from 1818 (so presumably born in the late 1700s).

Is this coincidence? Or is Samuel RODWAY related to James RODWAY, the progenitor of my RODWAYs?

I did a little more digging. Samuel RODWAY (the cabinet maker) says on the 1861 census that he was born in Woodchester, Gloucestershire, around 1796

I didn't find his birth on FamilySearch, but did find James 1797, Sarah 1799, William 1800, Mary 1802, Harriot 1803, Winefred 1805, Horatio 1806 and Charles RODWAY 1807, all christened in Woodchester.

Their father was Samuel RODWAY, so it's not unreasonable to assume that there was also a son Samuel RODWAY (the cabinet maker), whose chr. is not found.

Just two miles away in Rodborough, Gloucestershire, were more christenings to a Samuel RODWAY and wife Sarah:
Frances 1791, Betty 1792, Thomas 1793, John 1794.

This reasonably makes a family of 13 children from 1791 to 1807, with Samuel RODWAY (not found, around 1796) in the middle.

The marriage of Samuel RODWAY to "Sarah or Mary" FLETCHER 05 Aug 1790 in Rodborough looks pretty likely to be the parents.

This would suggest that perhaps Samuel RODWAY the cabinet maker and my James RODWAY were brothers, and that both moved up to the Greater London area as young men. James' grandson James John could reasonably have visited his cousins in Clerkenwell and made the acquaintance of the DE BAR daughter....

William DE BAR, by the way, was from Gloucester City, and apparently also came up to London as a young man, where he married a Bermondsey girl, Mary (probably the Mary Waller MERCER chr. in Bermondsey 1817, and married in Newington 1835.)

That's my best thinking to date.
JE

[fe_nyx]

Hi J.Elderfield,

Your James Rodway features in my tree His brother John married into my Sumner family. Their grandfather was Thomas Wicks Rodway, born 1738 in Woodchester, Gloucestershire. I'm working on this branch of my tree at the moment and have managed to trace it back to the late 1600's/early 1700's with the marriage of a Matthew Rodway to Mary (unknown).
Slow going, but I'm getting there.

Regards,
Crista

[J. Elderfield]

Hello, fe_nyx,

Thanks for your reply about James RODWAY of Woodchester, Gloucestershire.

I'm not certain that the James RODWAY of Woodchester is "my" James Rodway--but I hope so!  There is a possible tie-in with Samuel, b. Woodchester and the rest of the Rodborough/Woodchester RODWAYs, as outlined in my long message above on this Forum.

The first record that I know about that is definitely "my" James RODWAY is a labourer in Eltham, Kent, with wife Mary, at the christening of their son John 06 Dec. 1818.

Another son, Richard RODWAY was chr. 01 Apr. 1821, also in Eltham.

A third child that I know of was Mary RODWAY, b. New Cross, Greenwich, Kent  abt. 1826.

I have fairly good details about these three, their occupations and addresses, and their spouses, children and grandchildren.

1. John started as a bootmaker, later became a furniture broker, and lived in the Lewisham/Greenwich area of Kent (now greater London). He married Ann Maria KNOWLDEN and they had three children before she died.

2. Richard trained as a waterman and lighterman on the Thames, and became a Trinity pilot. He married a Mary Ann WISE, who already had a daughter. They did not have any children of their own (that I know of), but fostered nephew James John (John RODWAY's son) after the little boy's mother Ann Maria died.

3. Mary married John LOVELOCK, a flax dresser or labourer, of Greenwich, Kent. They had at least seven children.

Does any of this info from "my" RODWAYs tie in to "your" RODWAYs of Gloucestershire? I'd be excited to know!

Contact me by Personal Message if you wish to exchange email addresses.

J. Elderfield

[penerod]

I am new to this forum and wow I'm so glad I found this thread - I recently was given a family tree of my fathers side (Rodway).....and I can now fill in some gaps:

Kanskar - "Children of James Rodway and Mary/Maria Griffiths" - these people are my great x 5 grandparents through their son William James Rodway (1808-1876 m Margaret Stock, 1832).

They had a son William Rodway (Kanskar - "Another family is William & Margaret RODWAY of St. Luke's / Finsbury, and their children, including son William jr. The senior William was in iron foundry, and several of the children were in book binding.) Who married Martha Punter b.1837, St Lukes, Banner Maker.
Interestingly, Martha Punters father, William Punter (b. 1816, Flamstead, Cabinet Maker), married a women named Elizabeth RODWAY (b. 1818, Clerkenwell)


 William Rodway and Martha Punter had three children (that I know of), of them Joseph Henry Rodway (b.1869, Clerkenwell, Bookbinder) married Annie Catherine Cannagh (b. 1868, Islington)

They had two children that I know of - Annie (b. 1892 Islington) and Joseph Henry Rodway (b. 1890 Hoxton, Boot Trade)....Joseph married Emily Clara Sills (b. 1880, illegitimate, workhouse, St Pancras/Camden, boot filler)  in 1912 Islington

They had Joseph, who married Clara, and they were may grandparents.

Great to read a bit extra from this site, and I hope I have been a help to anyone searching for clues of there ancestry. Anyone related? I would love to know!

Cheers