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Hello US folks:
I've posted this in the England section but with no luck am posting it here. Hopefully I have a bit of the luck that I read in the completed Oliver thread in Indiana.
Am searching for any record showing the Greenbaum family of England emigrating in 1835 to the US and settling in Cincinnati, Ohio.
The only names I have are Esther Ann Greenbaum b. Nov. 1823 and her older sister Eliza(beth?) Ann.
Esther married to become Oliver (Nathan B., b. Ohio, d. Cincinnati?, 1868 or '69 ). Cannot find any record of marriage. Have exhausted Cincy's Catholic archive for Esther and Nathan, as well as Esther's last 4 kids. It's almost certain that the Olivers were not Catholic.
The widowed Esther went on to have at least 3 more children by unknown man/men (1869: Ella, 1873 July 26: Albert Ellsworth, 1875 Oct.: daughter May., 1876 Oct. 30: unk. daughter, 1877: Alice). She gave birth to a total of 9 children. Esther died Ohio 1915.
I've tracked Esther in the US Census from 1880 to 1915, and in Williams Cincinnati Directory from 1869 to 1915.
Her sister Eliza married unkn. Johnson, and in 1880 was a widow. Eliza's death was sometime after 1881..
Thanks everyone. Any info would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Joe O.
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Thread showing what has been found previously
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,580403.msg4325515.html#msg4325515
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,581381.msg4330600.html#msg4330600
Hi Joe,
Looking at the marriage for May Oliver to John B Schaaf - the parents of May are given as Father John Oliver and Mother Ester Treadway ???
(You will need to look at the image - the transcription is giving May's occupation Candy Fracker as her father's name ??? Candy packer is May's occupation ???
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XZ19-GVD
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Where did the information on Nathan come from? I don't see him on the Cincinnati death records, although I wouldn't be surprised if they were spotty from that time frame.
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This looks like a possible death certificate:
# 22495
Ohio Certificate of Death
Hamilton County, Cincinnati
4502 Liston Ave
Esther Ann Wentworth
female
white
widow
DOB: 14 Oct 1822
POB: England
Father: unknown Greenway
POB: England
Mother: Esther Swing
POB: England
Informant: J.B. Schaaf
4502 Liston Ave
DOD: 22 Apr 1915
COD: myocarditis
Burial: St. Mary's
You can view the image and download it at www.familysearch.org
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Excellent find, Genealiza. Seems like Esther was a woman of many maiden names.
To add even more confusion, there is a possible death for son Albert listed here - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X6TM-46Y - with his parents' names being Everette Oliver & Esther Swing.
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There's a Homer Oliver who died in Cincinnati & was the son of Nathan Oliver & Esther Swing -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X8FZ-579
???
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William A. Wentworth marrying Ester A. Oliver - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XDJ9-X3V
There is another record indicating that Esther requested restoration of her marriage record on 27 Oct. 1896 after a courthouse fire: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XZKQ-W58
There is a Civil War pension index entry for Ester A. Wentworth, widow of William A. Wentworth, and it looks like it was filed on 18 Oct. 1896.
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William's death record: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0khp/
Record of William's gravestone: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V6HC-7ZK
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Hello all:
Sorry to reply so long after your postings. I've been out of town without internet access.
This is all very, veeeeeerrrrrrryyyyyy strange and interesting.
Never saw that application for a marriage license but do have a copy of May and John's marriage record from John's church. Maddeningly, unlike all the other marriage records, theirs does not record the names of John and May's parents. I had been told previously by someone with a family tree on Ancestry about that marriage licensence application, but couldn't give it credit until now.
As I said in my initial post, I have positively tracked Esther Oliver in the Williams Cincinnati Directory, and the Census. In the WCD, from 1887 to 1915, she is consistently listed as "widow of Nathan B. Oliver", often living with her son Albert Ellsworth and other Olivers. In the 1900 and 1910 Census, she is living in the John and May Schaff household, (Esther is shown as mother in law to John).
My research has definetly shown a connection to Wentworth in the 1905 and 1906 WCD listing. In 1905 the WCD lists TWO Esther Ann's listed at the same address as John and May Schaaf. One is Esther Ann Oliver (widow Nathan B.), the other is Eshter Ann Wentworth (widow William). In 1906, only Esther Ann Wentworth is listed at John and May's address. THEN, no more WCD listings for Esther Ann Wentworth, and a break of four years before the WCD shows Esther Ann Oliver at the Schaaf's address. THen, from 1910 to 1915, it's Esther Ann Oliver ("widow Nathan B.) living at the Schaaf address.
THe most likely explanation for the two Esthers that I could imagine was that Esther Ann Wentworth could have been a daughter of Esther Ann Oliver. But with the info you all are digging up, I am reconsiddering.
So much more to think, research and write about, but I'm going to just post this for now.
Thanks. I think.
Joe
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William's death record: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0khp/
Record of William's gravestone: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V6HC-7ZK
Shellyesq:
The death record for the William Wentworth at the top of the listings shows the deceased as widowed. Not sure if we can rely on this one.
Joe
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Genealiza:
Your revelation of a death certificate of Esther Ann Wentworth is astounding. It's witnessed by J. B. Schaaf and shows them both living at the same address on Liston, which jives with my research. The death date is 1915, the year that she last appears on the Williams Cincinnati Directory. The Oct. 14 1822 birth date varies from the the "Nov. 1823" she indicates in the 1900 and 1910 Census while she was living with the Schaafs, but we can let the slight variance slide. England as her parent's birth place jives with previous Census info.
What is so VERY interesting is that is shows HER mother's maiden name to be Swing.
And Shellyesq: the death certificate for Albert Oliver is also intriguing: it is dated Sept. 11th, 1952, and witnessed by Marie Oliver. I've spoken with Albert E. Oliver's grandchildren, who say that they recall him dying around 1941.
Well, that's it for now.
Thanks all for your hard work.
Joe
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Shellyesq:
The death record for the William Wentworth at the top of the listings shows the deceased as widowed. Not sure if we can rely on this one.
Joe
In census records, I found a possible match for this William Wentworth who had a wife and children prior to Esther, so perhaps the widower was based on his first marriage. The date of death seems to fit in with the timing of the pension application and that he got a headstone as a Union veteran.
On the issue of Swing being listed as Esther's mother's maiden name, I wonder if the question of "mother's maiden name" was answered by her daughter/son-in-law, who mistakenly took it as asking their mother (Esther's) maiden name rather than Esther's mother.
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For your consideration:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XRLP-JD4
Marriage of Nathan B Oliver to Esther Ann Greenway
17 Sep 1854
Trenton, Dodge, Wisconsin
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1860 Census: Wisconsin, Dodge, Trenton
Nathan B. Oliver, 26, farm laborer, b. NY
Esther N " 24, house duties, b. IL
Sarah E " 5, b. WIS
Homer P " 3, b. WIS
Isabelle " 1/12, b. WIS
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Widow's Pension Certificate # 83354
Widow's Class
Esther A Oliver now Wentworth, formerly widow of Nathan B. Oliver, private Co. C "16" WIS
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1870 Census: Ohio, Hamilton, Cincinnati, ward 17
Oliver, Hester A, 34, b. WIS
Homer P, 13, b. WIS
Dora 10, b. WIS
Elenora 1, b. WIS
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1880: Ohio, Hamilton, Cincinnati, ward 3
Johnson, Eliza, 56, widow, b. OH
Oliver, Mrs, 50, sister, widow, b. OH
Ella, 11, b. OH
Albert, 7, b. OH
Alice, 3, b. OH
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Honest to God... My head feels like it is going to explode.
The two census listings for Esther seen together in sequence can possibly make sense as being Albert Elsworth Oliver's mother, with the following notations:
"Hester" I beleive to be a misspelling of "Esther". And Elenora, 1 year old in 1870, jives with "Ella, 11 years old" in the following Census in 1880. But, What the HECK is the indication of the kids, and Esther, being born in WISCONSIN???? Esther in later census reports being born in England:
1870 Census: Ohio, Hamilton, Cincinnati, ward 17
Oliver, Hester A, 34, b. WIS
Homer P, 13, b. WIS
Dora 10, b. WIS
Elenora 1, b. WIS
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1880: Ohio, Hamilton, Cincinnati, ward 3
Johnson, Eliza, 56, widow, b. OH
Oliver, Mrs, 50, sister, widow, b. OH
Ella, 11, b. OH
Albert, 7, b. OH
Alice, 3, b. OH
Note: having many times studied the 1880 Census for "Mrs. Oliver" and her sister, it is my opinion that the information was not given by either Mrs. Oliver or her sister Eliza Johnson. It must have been reported by a neighbor not familiar with these two ladies. Albert and Alice are the correct ages compared to known fact, but Ella's age is 3 years too young. Eliza Johnson and "Mrs. Oliver"'s ages are not correct either. So, I give this Census info credit only for the basics (names, approx age for the adults, no reliability for places of birth).
Man do I have a headache.
Joe
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You might want to send for her pension files, especially from Nathan B Oliver.
Information that can be found on a widow's pension application:
Proof of soldier's service
Proof of death
Proof of marriage - affadavits or certificates proved that the widow seeking the pension was, indeed married to the soldier.
Proof of children - when children are listed, you often will find copies of bible records or town records.
Declaration of a Widow for Restoration of Pension - when a second marriage revoked the pension and the death of the second husband left the widow once again without support.
Dropped from rolls - this record will give a date of death or other circumstance which required the widow to be dropped from the rolls. In this particular example, note the odd phrasing: "I have the honor to report that the name of the above-described pensioner who was last paid at $12, to Nov. 4, 1913, has this day been dropped from the roll because of death Nov. 23, 1913."
Some pension files with early certificate numbers may include a cover page to the file which lists the name of the soldier; company, regiment, and state of service; the name of the widow, often with her maiden name; and the names of any dependent children. It also lists which of the above documents are within the file.
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Index to Pension Files of Veterans who Served between 1861 and 1900
Oliver, Nathan B
Co. C, 16 regiment , Wis Inf
1865, July 3, widow class application # 100584
certificate # 83354
1890, July 31, father application # 446513
Widow's Certificate
Certificate # 83354
Widows Class
Esther A Oliver now Wentworth, formerly wid. of Nathan B Oliver, private Co. C, "16" Wis
Consolidated with
Certificate # 444575
Widows Class
Pension files of Vets who served between 1861 and 1900
Wentworth, William A
Co. A, 7 regiment, Ohio Cav
1865, July 1, invalid, application # 75302 certificate # 53999
widow # 641733 # 444575
From the widow date of filing on 3 July 1865, it would appear that Nathan B Oliver was already deceased. I haven't found the exact date of enactment of Civil War pensions, but it would appear that it started in July of 1865, since William Wentworth applied as invalid status on 1 July 1865.
She may have used N B Oliver's pension for her support, since his death would probably have generated a larger pension than the invalid status of William Wentworth.
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1890, July 31, father application # 446513
I'm not super-familiar with the pension applications, but looking on the image of the index, for the part with the father, under "State From Which Filed", it appears to say S.D. I would think that would be South Dakota. I'm not sure if we're looking to go further back from Nathan, but if so, that might be a clue.
It looks like this is Nathan B. Oliver's burial - http://www.shilohbattlefield.org/cemetery/detail1.asp?GRAVE=557
From what I can tell from Civil War databases, his residence was Beaver Dam, Wisconsin and he died of disease on 31 May 1862 at Pittsburgh Landing, Tennessee.
On the death certificate for Albert Oliver, I noticed that his Social Security number was listed on it. If you were inclined to spend money on this confusing family, you could order Albert's original Social Security application, as explained towards the bottom of this page - http://rwguide.rootsweb.ancestry.com/lesson10.htm It typically includes the parents' names, including mother's maiden name, and plae of birth.
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Genealiza et al:
First, thank you for digging up this incredible stuff. Second, I can barely digest it. Third, What the heck is going on with Esther????
There are so many questions/conflicts dancing in my head, but right now I just want to put this out for others to mull over:
Why, if her husband Nathan Oliver died in 1862, then she married William Wentworth, would Esther state her name as "Oliver, widow of Nathan B." in the Cincinnati directory from at least 1886 until her death in 1915?
But for two out of those years list her last name as "Wentworth"?
More, way more questions to come....
Joe
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There's an article that gives a bit of history of city directories here: http://www.progenealogists.com/citydirectories.htm Apparently, there were canvassers who went around & got the information, similar to census takers. Maybe the canvasser spoke to Esther on one occasion and, on another occasion, spoke to her daughter or son-in-law and got different information from each?
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Hi there,
Just as a matter of interest there is 3 private trees on Ancestry with Nathan B Oliver b 1835 New York.
Regards
Cathy
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I wonder if this is the birth record for the daughter Alice in the 1880 Census - http://drc2.libraries.uc.edu/handle/123456789/101433 No first name is on the birth record, and the only parent listed is Esther Oliver.
Assuming Esther's Nathan did actually die in 1862, then it looks like the 3 youngest children were born out of wedlock. Maybe that explains why Esther may not have been totally forthcoming about her past.
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Shellyesq:
Yes, I've had that birth record for about a year.
Well, according to my research, Ella, Albert Ellsworth, May, unknown daughter, and Alice were all born after 1863, when this soldier N. B. Oliver is shown to have died. Up until these recent posts, I thought Nathan had died between 1868 and 1869. In any case, yes, Esther was listed as a widow yet she was still having babies. Since Albert Ellsworth was my great grandfather, the big revelation last year when I did the birth math was that ever since A. E. O., he and his descendants had not one drop of Oliver blood in them.
So, on Aug. 14th 1880 she marries William A. Wentworth??? Why didn't she take on his name? Why in the WCD is she still listed after 1880 as "widow, Nathan B. Oliver"?
But then her death is recored as "Esther A. Wentworth"?
So mysterious.
Joe
1865: ESTHER, at 46, GIVES BIRTH TO ELLA
1873, JULY 26: ESTHER, at 50, GIVES BIRTH TO ALBERT ELLSWORTH, in Cincinnati (Birth date is according to Aunt Rosemarie’s family record)
1875, OCTOBER: ESTHER, at 52, GIVES BIRTH TO MAY (As listed in the 1900 Census).
1876: OCTOBER 30: ESTHER, at 53, GIVES BIRTH TO A DAUGHTER. The father is not listed, and Esther is shown as living at 44 Eastern Ave. (from birth record, Uof Cincy DRC)
1877: ESTHER, at 54, GIVES BIRTH TO ALICE.
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So many conflicts in these records, so many maiden names: Esther Greenbaum/Greenway/Treadway/Swing/Oliver/Wentworth????
Born in England/Wisconsin/Ohio/Illinois???
Sorry I'm complaining. I'm trying to fit the ill fitting pieces of this Esther puzzle together.
Joe
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No problem -- certainly understandable that you're frustrated!
My total guess would be that Greenway is one of the right names, because I could see Greenway being misremembered as both Treadway and Greenbaum. As for Greenway vs. Swing, I would guess that either (1) one is Esther's actual maiden name and one was her mother's maiden name or (2) Esther snuck in another marriage before Nathan Oliver.
Unless you know there was definitely a separate child, I'm inclined to think that Alice was the one born in Oct. 1876. The 1880 Census was done in June, so the 1876 baby would have been age 3 at that time.
Were there any other sightings of sister Eliza aside from the 1880 Census? She could potentially solve the puzzle, but I guess that would be too easy. ;)
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Shellyesq:
Thanks for the sympathy. And, I agree with your conjecture regarding Esther's last names.
Re: Esther's sister Eliza Ann Johnson:
1877: WCD: 441 E. Front (same address as Esther and Homer in 1876)
1878: WCD: 21 Gilbert Ave. (same address as Esther and Homer)
1880: CENSUS: 79 Spring St. (same as Esther).
From this point on, there are various "Eliza/beth Johnson, widows" listed in the WCD, but I cannot determine yet if any of them are Esther's sister. If I could get Eliza's deceased husband's name, that would help if she stuck around Cincy beyond 1887, because that year the WCD started listing the names of widow's husbands.
Regarding Alice and the unnamed child born in 1876, I'm fairly certain that I have determined the two are separate individuals, so I will re-visit that and get back to you.
Regards,
Joe
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Shellyesq:
Regarding Alice and the unknown daughter b. 1876. You know, you are probably correct. My only source for Alice's birthyear is the 1880 census, where she is listed as 3 years old.
As I said, the info on that census was probably related by a neighbor unfamiliar with the family, but it's easy to guess young children's ages fairly accurately. So, okay, unknown daughter and Alice are one in the same.
Regards,
Joe
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Have you followed the daughter Sarah from the 1860 Census forward? If not, I took a look and found a possibility.
On the 1880 Census, there is a Sarah Cole of the right age, born in Wisconsin, and living in Cincinnati with her husband Noah, their 2 children, and Noah's mother. Sarah's father was listed as born in Wisconsin & her mother was born in England. Not a perfect match, but maybe. They are living at 70 Spring St., which is nearby to where Ethel was in 1880.
There is a birth record for Mary Jane Cole, daughter of Noah & Sarah who was born in 1874 on E. Front St.: http://drc2.libraries.uc.edu/bitstream/handle/123456789/26654/18741225b_2.JPG?sequence=1 That might be the same/nearby address to where the family was in 1876/1877.
Could just be coincidence, but thought I'd throw it out there.
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Shelly:
Not sure which entry in the 1860 Census to look at. I found one for an Esther Oliver in Baltimore with daughter Sarah, both born in virginia, both mulato.
And the birth record you provide the link to shows Father's name as Noah Cole, mother's name is Sarah Ellen. It seems that they are showing her maiden name to be Ellen.
Joe
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Genealiza:
Just did the birth math on the following census you looked up and it seems unlikely
1870 Census: Ohio, Hamilton, Cincinnati, ward 17
Oliver, Hester A, 34, b. WIS
Homer P, 13, b. WIS
Dora 10, b. WIS
Elenora 1, b. WIS
It's documented that Esther was born 1822/23, which would make her age in 1870 47. Also, Wisconsin is not looking good as a POB for Esther, due to this particular record being unlikely, and the fact that Esther often states she was born in England.
Joe
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Shellyesq:
Re your thoughts on Sarah Cole:
On the 1880 Census, there is a Sarah Cole of the right age, born in Wisconsin, and living in Cincinnati with her husband Noah, their 2 children, and Noah's mother. Sarah's father was listed as born in Wisconsin & her mother was born in England. Not a perfect match, but maybe. They are living at 70 Spring St., which is nearby to where Ethel was in 1880.
By Ethel I believe you mean Esther.
Yes, you are right, in 1880 the US Census shows "Mrs Oliver, widow" with sister "Elizabeth Johnson, widow" living at 79 Spring Street, very close to Sarah Cole in 1880, at 70 Spring Street.
It's also interesting that the doctor attending Sarah giving birth in 1874 is the same doctor attending Esther Oliver in 1876.
If we could find a wedding or death record for Sarah we might be able to determine her mother, but I've tried a bit and came up empty handed.
Joe
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Regarding the possible husband of Eliza Ann Johnson, sister of Esther Ann Oliver:
In 1887, when names of deceased husbands are first included in the WCD with listings of widows, "Ezekiel" and "Alex." (Alexander?) are the only two likely names. It's a big stretch to link them, considering that the last confirmed listing of Eliza Ann was in the 1880 Census, and before that in the 1878 WCD. But I'll try to search for the marriages/deaths.
Joe
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Genealiza:
I would love to look up the widow's pension application and other military stuff but for the life of me I can't figure out how to access the info. Where were you looking at it?
Thanks,
Joe
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I suggest you read the information on this page, it tells how to request the pension files.
http://www.archives.gov/research/military/civil-war/civil-war-genealogy-resources/index.html#pension
Here is the link to the forms need to make such requests.
http://www.archives.gov/forms/
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Thanks so much Genealiza:
I've ordered the Compiled Military Service Files of Nathan B. Oliver and William A. Wentworth. Have also ordered the Social Security card application for Albert Oliver died 1952. I've also ordered military records from Ohio for Nathan and Wisconsin for William.
All that paper should arrive from two weeks to two months.
Also, check this out: I did a simple google search for Nathan B. Oliver and look at what the heck I found:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/u/r/Gary-A-Surrell-NH/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0253.html
Have emailed the guy who posted the site and can’t wait to hear from him.
Now just as this is getting so exciting and all coming together (knock on wood) I've also committed to a career training and it will be taking up all of my spare time for the next four months. So I will not be able to devote the crazy amount of time that I have had in the last few weeks.
Thank you Genealiza, Shellyesq, Fishweb, and Sandra. This has been quite exciting, and even though Esther Ann Oliver remains an enigma, I'm feeling pretty good that we are on the right path. I could never have come this far this fast without you. Who knows if I could have ever gotten this far without you. How you folks spare the time and find the sources is beyond me, but you are very generous and knowledgeable and a fantastic resource for those of us not so blessed.
I will be sure to let you know what I learn from the documents as soon as I am able.
Sincerely,
Joe O.
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Joe,
I hope your purchases are fruitful. The pension files I have of a gr grandfather state the battles and skirmishes with which he was involved, when and how he became disabled, his application for a pension and the subsequent years he had to reapply, and a listing of all of his children with their birth dates--it is quite a treasure trove of information. Hopefully you will be as lucky with Esther's pension applications. Please keep us informed of your progress. And good luck with your new career.
Genealiza
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Well, today I received the civil registration of the marriage of Nathan. B. Oliver of Trenton, Wisconsin to Esther Ann Greenway, Sept. 17, 1854. No new information unfortunately, other than the fact that the ceremony was "Religious", or "Religiou..." Can't make out the handwriting. Maddeningly, niether Nathan or Esther indicates their parents' names, despite the blank spaces for indicating such. I wonder if there would be records at whatever church they were married at in Trenton?
Also received some of Nathan B. Oliver's military records, a couple of Muster Rolls, from the state of Wisconsin. Nothing earthshaking here either, though it is interesting to see details of his death by consumption after the Battle of Shiloh.
Co. C, 6th Regt/Oliver, Nathan B./Private/Enlisted Oct. 9 '61/at Beaver Dam, WI/by Cpt. H. D. Patch/term 3/Mustered Dec. 11 '61/at Madison, WI/age 28/Married/Blue Eyes/Brown hair/light complex/6', 3/4" tall/farmer/residence Beaver Dam, WI/Dodge Cty/Term of Service: died May 31, '62 (unreadable)/Remarks: Sick in Hosp since 7/'62. M 6/62. 73M 6/62. Died (?)/31/62 at Camp No 2 of disease. Dis Do in Div Hosp Pittsburg Tenn. Eng'd in Battle of Shiloh. RMV20, 10198. (Not sure, numbers are hard to read) In Cemetery at Shiloh Tenn.
Another muster repeats most of the information, except that it indicates him as single. Most interesting are the remarks:
"Was engaged in the Battle of Shiloh Apr 6-7/62. Died at division Hospital Pittsburgh Tenn May 21st/62 of consumption".
The issue is still Esther. Is this Esther MY Esther? Doing all this digging on THIS couple, but are they THE couple: Esther Ann, widow Nathan B. of Cincinnati? There are connections, but there are contradictions.
Sorry, too tired and disconnected to make sense.
J
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Howdy gang:
Well, here is the summary of all that you all and I have researched, sifted through and compiled in trying to understand Esther Ann Oliver, nee Greenbaum/Greenway:
1854 marriage record: Esther Ann Greenway marries Nathan B. Oliver in Trenton, WI
1860 Census (Trenton, WI): Esther, 24yo (b. 1836) Illinois, and Nathan, 26 yo (b. 1834) New York. Now have 3 kids: Sarah E. (5), Homer P (3), Isabelle D. (1mo). (Homer will be traceable with Esther until his death in 1915.)
1861 military record: Nathan joins the 16th Regiment, Wisconsin Infantry
1862 military record: Nathan B. Oliver dies after the Battle of Shiloh in Tennessee.
1865 military record: Esther A. Oliver files for a widows pension re: Nathan B. Oliver
1870 Census (Cincinnati): Hester A. Oliver, widow, 34yo (b. 1836) Wis.. Kids Omer P. (13, b. Wis.), Dora (10 b. Wis), Elenora (1 b. Ohio).
1880 Census (Cincinnati): Mrs. Oliver, widow, b. Ohio. Kids Ella (11), Albert (7), and Alice (3).
1880 Marriage record (Cincinnati): Esther A. Oliver marries William A. Wentworth.
1886 Marriage record (Cincinnati): Ella Oliver, daughter of Esther A. Greenbaum and Nathan B. Oliver, marries John Butler.
1890 military record: Peter W. Oliver files for dependancy pension re: son Nathan B. Oliver.
1896 military record: Widow's pension re: William A. Wentworth filed by Esther A. Wentworth, formerly widow of Nathan B. Oliver, Wisc. 16th regiment.
1899 Marriage record: May Oliver, daughter of John Oliver and Ester Treadway (John??? Treadway???), to John B. Schaaf.
1900 Census (Cincinnati): Esther A. Oliver, 76yo, b. England (1823), widow Nathan B. Living with J. B. and May Schaaf (Esther's age mysteriously advances, increasing 14 years from her age indicated in the 1860 Census)
1910 Census (Cincinnati): Esther A. Oliver, 90yo, ( b. 1820) (her age advances yet another 4 years) widow. Living with J. B. Schaaf and his daughter Esther, 8yo.
1915 death record (Cincinnati): Homer Oliver. B. Oct. 7, 1851 (I believe it actually was written (1857) Illinois. Father: Nathan Oliver, mother Esther Swing. (the informant of this info obviously confused Homer's mother's maiden name with his grandmother's maiden name. See below.)
1915 death record (Cincinnati): Esther A. Wentworth, b. Oct. 14 1822 England. Father: Greenway, mother Esther Swing.
I am now certain that the 1915 death record Esther and the 1854 marriage record Esther are/is? the same person. I am totally mystified on the huge discrepancies in age show by Esther's last two Census listings and death record, when compared to her 1860 Census record, as well by the birth place discrepancy in the same records.
Nevertheless, I am also fairly certain that Esther's father's last name was Greenway/Greenbaum, and that her mother's maiden name was Esther Swing.
And of course, since Albert Ellsworth Oliver, the son of my gg Grandmother Esther Ann Oliver, was born in 1873, 12 years after Nathan B. Oliver died, I'm fairly certain that I and scores of other descendants of Albert and his siblings Ella, Alice and May have no Oliver blood in their lineage, and I have no hope of ever finding who exactly Albert and siblings were fathered by.
Thank you all for your enthusiasm, talents and hard work. I could never have arrived at this point without you. If you're ever in Chicago, PM me and I'd love to treat you to dinner. You are welcome to pursue any loose ends if you wish, and I'd appreciate it, but as far as I'm concerned, this thread is completed. Yahoo!
Sincerely,
Joe O
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Fingers crossed for someone out there with a family bible, information on Esther's sister, or something else that will magically put everything in place!
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I'm glad you've found the confirmation you needed. As to ages, it wasn't unusual for some to adjust their ages during the censuses. My grandmother was older than her husband and adjusted her age to be younger. Then, because of mandatory retirement at age 60, she further adjusted her age to be able to teach well into her 70s.
1900: age 26
1910: age 30
1920: age 40
1930: age 50
1940: age 55
1949: died at age about 74, as stated in obituary (actually 77)
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Shelyesq:
I am such a liar whenever I say I'm finished with anything about family history.
This is a bit off track. It regards Esther's daughter May. And it's not exactly the family Bible thing that you mention, but it's pretty close. It might even be better than that.
For the last few weeks I've been in communication with one of Esther's descendants (Walt and Lucy, May's grandson and his wife). They have very direct knowledge of Esther (Lucy wore Esther's wedding band for 20 years). Lucy came up with a provocative observation: "Esther's daughter May never shows up (in my research) until May's marriage."
Her observation raises a flag. So I focused in on that and she may be on to something.
It's especially intruiging when combined with:
1: May's name is not included in Esther's 1880 census listing, when May would have been 5 years old (Ella, 11, Albert Ellsworth, 7, and Alice, 3). That's quite odd.
2: This info on May's civil marriage record: "daughter of John Oliver and Ester Treadway".
So…..
Could May have been adopted from one of Nathan's brother's or cousins?
As far as I can recall, I don't believe Nathan had a brother named John, but this certainly warrants further inquiry…
"The game is afoot!"
Will get back to you.