Mare and Colt Hartlebury

[Trees]

Hi both we were wondering about the RANDLE family being Romanies or marrying Romanies as they lived on Hartlebury common but I think I have found them settled for many generations so that seems to rule the link out. However there still remains a question over the origins of Ann  who married William RANDLE in 1810 in Hartlebury. The Marriage index has her surname as Labigail but the actual entry looks more like Sabigail so we are thinking it could be a corruption of Savagar. There is an Ann Savagar baptised in Ombersley about the right time they seem a settled family but only go back one generation  Now there are SAVAGAR and SAVAKARs in Brecon and Hereford but very few in Worcestershire so the doubt remains were they were Gypsies. This has come about as one of the fellow researchers has a definite oriental look and is desperate to find where it comes from.No one on the travellers board or on Romaniegenes recognises the name so the ball is still in the air over that one. Its a very loose connection to my tree but I'd love to help her sort it out if at all possible.
rebekahm28  I actually live on the outskirts of Bridgend let me know if I can help at all where did they marry I could possibly get a photograph of the place for you
H

[philheeks]

Hi Hazel

Ombersley would fit in as the travelers tend to be baptised & married at Ombersley but buried at St Marys church Crossway Green (part on the Hartlebury parish) - I dont know why this should be but it happens. I expect you know this, Hartlebury parish is contiguous to Hartlebury parish & now they even share the same vicar Canon Peter Kerr the Ombersley vicar

All the very best

Phil
Weston-super-Mare

[rebekahm28]

Trees, thankyou for your message.  We visited the area last May to look around, William and Louisa just married at the registry office in 1916. My Roberts family were from Sussex and Kent but settled in Aberkenfig near Bridgend in the very early 1900's.  They were on Dunraven St; when we visited the locals werent too happy about having an English stranger walking down their street though!    So I never took a photo of the house, its a bungalow at the top on the right hand side. They werent there in 1911 but were by 1916, thats all we know. My gg grandad Samson Roberts bought a cinema that was closing down and donated it to the community on the condition it was never sold, we think it was in Newport. Then he was involved in a collision between his horse and cart and another mans (in a race!) and died of his injuries at home. His daughter Gentila lived on Nolton Street with her husband and 3 kids, big white house opposite a pub, we visited there too, she told fortunes from there. Her sister Celia O'Shea lived behind, on Cheltenham Terrace and brother Jim lived in Brynmemyn. Other sister Harriet lived on Corpor Rd, Newport.

[Trees]

gracious Rebekah you will never know how near we are to some of those places will Pm you

[philheeks]

Hi Trees

here is the result of your OXF look up requests as well as a bit of WOR info

Charlbury
Baps
20 OCT 1850 William s/o Elias/Hannah Dunsby [lab]
20 OCT 1850 Edward henry s/o "/"         "           "
26 SEP 1852 George s/o Matthew/Sarah "          "
27 SEP 1857 Thomas William s/o "/"         "          "
10 JUN 1821 Sarah d/o Thomas/Fanny Stait         "
6 SEP 1822 John s/o Thomas/Ann Kench          Carpernter

Burs
4 SEP 1834 Eliner Dunsby [infant]
7 AUG 1875 Walter George Dunsby [11 month] Chadlington
21 NOV 1879 caroine             "       [3y/o] WORCESTER
22 DEC 1886 Sarah               "       [63y/o] Market Street

Mars
1 SEP 1864
Elias Dunsby/Full/B/lab/Finstock/William/lab
Hannah Clare/Full/-/gloveress/Stonesfield/James/lab
Wits- Matthew Dunsby, Elias Dunsby

30 AUG 1841
John Kench/24/B/lab/Charlbury/Thomas/carpenter & wheelwright
Elizer Dunsby/21/S/gloveress/Finstock/William/lab
Wits- John Holefield, Rachel Turner

18 MAR 1849
Mathew Dunsby/25/B/lab/Finstock/William/ lab
Sarah Stait/23/S/-/Charlbury/Thomas/lab
Wits- William Stait, Hannah Gumm
the correct spelling of the name Gumm is GOMM & without checking I bet that she is on my tree as Gomm is my main line of research in OXF & one of my main lines of research anyway as it was my late Mums maiden name.

26 DEC 1853
Thomas Harris/26/B/lab/Finstock/Richard/lab
Harriett Dusby/20/S/gloveress/Finstock/William/lab
Wits- Wiliam Turner, Hannah Harris
     
Chipping Norton
Burs
18 OCT 1766 Elizabeth Dunsbee [25 y/o] Over Norton
Baps
27 SEP 1766 William s/o Richard/Elisab: Dunsbee Over Norton

Entry in Jacksons Oxford Journal
13 JUN 1818 William Dunsbee// place of death Hampton OXF// no age given// comment- Inquest:accident (drowned)

I also have fiche for Hartlebury 1540 - 1813 & wonder if this is one of your ancestors burial

23 FEB [dam I forgot the year but think its about the 1700s] Thomas Eggerton

Also here is a contact for you in the travelers comunity. The chaaps name is Ben Finney & I think his father may be of help to you - I asked a mate of mine for Bens e mail address but he didnt know it, however he gave me Ben Finneys mobile phone number (*).  He will prob want to know how you got this number - tell him that it was given to Phil [the chap from Weston who stays with his ex neighbours Meg & Mick Cupper] by RichardSanders.  Ben will be ok with that as Richard is a friend of his & Ben also knows me to speak to

I hope this has been of help to you & dont forget. if you want anything done at the History Centre let me know by e mail as I shall be going on holiday in about a week

All the very best

Phil
Weston-super-Mare

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[Trees]

Many thanks Phil thats wonderful, And the offer is very generous I've been away for the week end will get a list together when we're unpacked 
H

[philheeks]

Hi Heather

Dont forget, if you want to find out more about the campers on Hartlebury Common, it would be worth getting in touch with Ben Finney as his father would more than likely be a fount of knowledge on the subject

All the very best

Phil

ps I hope to travel on 12th APR & shall be going of line for a bit on 7th or 10th APR & after that will access my e mails at a library in Kidderminster WOR once a week -you have my e mail address I beleive

[sampoony]

HighTrees,
I know nothing about the history of the Mare and Colt, but, as I wrote a history of Stourport pubs five or six years ago,  I did quite a bit of research. The Globe was a private house when first built.  It became a beer house in 1850 when George Cook held the licence.  He held it until about 1872.  It was taken over Phillip Haffner until 1883 and then by Harriet Haffner until 1905.  It passed on to Edward Hartwell until the magistrates refused its licence in 1907, when it reverted back to a private dwelling.  It is now called Globe House.
In those days, the address for The Globe was Lower Heath, Hartlebury, but in 1933 this area was taken into the Stourport urban district.
There is a photo in the book of The Globe when it was a 'pub', and anpther as it is now.
Coincidentally, my grandparents bought the next door property in about 1925 and that is where I used to visit them every Sunday. Another coincidence.......  My family name is Cook, but I have yet to find a connection with Joseph and Sarah.

Most beer house keepers only served beer as a secondary occupation.  They usually carried on other trades too.

The Mare and Colt at Summerfield, I am sure, would have come under the parish of Stone, in the mid 19th century.
Hope you find this of help or interest.
John Cook

[philheeks]

Hi Trees

Sorry to contradict but Sumerfield has always been part of Hartlebury parish

All the very best

Phil
Weston-super-Mare

ps I used to live at Waresley, which is also in Hartlebury parish

pps 2 lots of my ancestors used to keep the Mitre Oak Inn at Crossway Green, the other end of Hartlebury parish